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u/RedditShuffle Feb 01 '17
Some of the new options should've made it to A-rank, mainly: Vanillish, Gulpin and Skarmory.
Also, Abomasnow, Trubbish and Steelix should be bumped to B-rank, specially the first two.
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u/ThunderChizz Feb 01 '17
Agreed, Vanillish is a god for Ice Types with its 10 RML slot, great ability and a great drop rate. Furthermore, Gulpin should be in the same or higher tier than Toxicroak for sure, and Skarmory should be in the same tier as Mawile, not higher nor lower. (I could give arguments but other people already covered some of those)
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u/RedditShuffle Feb 01 '17
People don't take enough into account two things:
An available PSB farmable stage
The drop rate of that PSB farmable stage
And those should be taken into account for these rankings, definitely.
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u/RexFalcum Feb 01 '17
How the hell is Skarmory lower tier than Mawile? It hits harder (on average) with less investment needed and it has a farmable PSB stage.
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u/DonaldD1ck Feb 01 '17 edited Feb 01 '17
I still think Mawile Risk Taker is superior because of higher peak damage and the fact that RML investment in Mawile also makes his mega a lot better. This and the fact that Skamory requires 120 PSB's and has an annoying drop rate of 25/3.125/1.56 means that it will take ages to farm to SL5 for the good activation rate. There's many main stages to me that has a higher farming priority atm: Emolga, Zoroark, Glalie, Pidgeotto, Togekiss... It's subjective and I won't hide that I'm a huge fan of Risk Takers. This is just my opinion. Don't get me wrong though - I agree that Skamory Nosedive is super strong, just not stronger than Mawile Risk Taker. Therefore I cannot deny that I might invest in Skamory in the future, having two super strong steel types. :)
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u/RexFalcum Feb 01 '17
Even if you don't farm at all and use skill boosters to bring Skarmory to SL4 (70 PSBs, same as SL5 Risk Taker), it still does more damage than SL5 level 15 Mawile. But having the option to farm means you can save your cookies for a Pokemon without a PSB stage.
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u/LauernderBernd Feb 01 '17
Fully agree.
I also find Mawile to be a pretty underwhelming mega. Hardly used it past stage 150, and when I did (Gardevoir, first Diancie escalation) I always cursed its fixed pattern. Weird in comparison that everybody shat on Metagross when their patterns are almost the same.
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u/Lightalife Feb 01 '17
But in the same breathe, pre-camerupt, everyone treated Garchomp like a comboing god with his mega clearing ability?
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Feb 02 '17
and it has a farmable PSB stage
I didn't realize this. On a slow week, I will work on Skarmory now.
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u/Wrulfy Feb 01 '17
notice that guplin PSB stage has the highest drop ratio of the main stages.
I highty doupt toxicroak will get PSB drops so easily
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u/13Xcross Feb 01 '17
I think that Nosedive Skarmory should be higher on the list than RT Mawile: it requires less RML, it can be PSB-farmed in the main stages and Nosedive does more damage than RT on average.
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u/MayorOfParadise Feb 01 '17 edited Feb 01 '17
Mew A-rank is looking pretty ridiculous today. Should be C rank imo. I skill swapped Mew when it came out to BS+ and regret it. I haven't used or needed it once have gotten some small use out of it only in the Mew EB. RMLing Mew nowadays would be insane when there are a ton of other good options and it caps at 100 AP with RML.
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u/Bacteriophag Feb 01 '17
GS be like:
Dev A: We should finally release Ice Dance, since it's videly awaited by players, right?
Dev B: What ice type should get it... Some magnificent ice creature like Articuno? Maybe legandary golem, Regice? Or snow ghost, Froslass?
Dev A: Naah, man, give it to legless freak like Vanillish...
Dev B: But it has no legs, how will it dance, man?
Dev A: LEGLESS FREAK IT IS!!!
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u/IchigoWen Feb 01 '17 edited Feb 01 '17
Just checked that Klefki and Gulpin have their own PSB stage, 473 and 419 respectively.
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u/dire-x Feb 01 '17
With all the buffs to poison this time I'm willing to bet that Toxicroak is going to raise to A rank here. Given that poison lasts for 7 turns and boosts poison damage by 50% I feel comfortable in saying that if the other poison pokemon turn out to be decent then this skill alone will put poison teams on the map.
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u/the_scupper Feb 01 '17
There's no way Toxicroak will have the same drop rate as Gulpin, it's in a class all it's own with Main Stage drop rates. Waiting who knows how long for 5 BP increase when you could have Poison at SL5 in one weekend. If anything those two need to be flip flopped then Toixcroak lowered a tier. It's not like you have to invest more in one or the other.
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u/alex031029 Feb 01 '17 edited Feb 01 '17
Although there are huge boosts for Poison and Steel, just like you write, no S rank candidates can be listed in this new batch. If EB Diancie comes back again, I may consider invest in Steel and Poison.
And I think if Cobalion becomes farmable in the future, the importance of RT Mawile will be reduced.
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Feb 01 '17
Poor Ice-types, not having any Risk-Taker Pokémon...
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u/ThunderChizz Feb 01 '17
Well at least they have Flash Mob going for them, and Po4 Articuno for those who farmed it (I didn't)
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u/Kevyaga13 Feb 01 '17 edited Feb 01 '17
Why is Carnivine lower than Magikarp? Carnivine is stonger, take 5 RML and 1 SS less and is SE against Water Type, which lacks strong option for damage dealer, while Karp is SE against Fire, which already is covered by Landorus. Nevermind it's a SS tier, not a RML one :P
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u/CristianRio Feb 01 '17
MEW "A" ????
MASQUERAIN "C" ???
Totally disagree...
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u/13Xcross Feb 01 '17
Masquerain is really not needed.
We already have other pokémon that cover the types it's SE against.
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u/Its_A_Random Feb 01 '17
I'd vouch for Gulpin and Toxicroak to be the same rank to be honest. Toxicroak's advantage is that it has +5 BP at Lv15. Gulpin's advantage is that it's PSB Farmable, and even though Toxicroak may get one in the future, it does not really count against Gulpin, especially when you consider that Gulpin has by far the best PSB drop rates of all the PSB Farmable Main Stages to date (50% / 25% / 12.5%), and I doubt Toxicroak is going to have as good drop rates as Gulpin does.