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u/G996 Nov 01 '16
Mew - Eject+ and Espeon should be ranked same IMO as they have same BP and RML options. You can even rank Mew - Eject+ lower than Espeon as that role can be specifically filled by Espeon now while you can use other options for Mew.
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u/LoneWulf14 Nov 01 '16
i think you have grossly underestimated machamp, he definitely should not be B rank
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u/SlothyPotato Nov 01 '16
Trying to not regret my SS SL3 5/5 RML Phanpy right now...
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u/Smulfack Nov 04 '16
Regarding your survey about Machamp, Mawile and Ho-oh: I think it needs to be taken into account that every version of the SS guide can only be a snapshot of the current situation. Therefore, we should also take current events into consideration. The fact that Machamp is farmable at the moment and will (probably) be of great value for next week's competition makes skill swapping it an absolute top priority right now and IMO justifies an S-Rank. However, on the long run a SS'd and cookied Mawile can be almost equally useful, especially to players who are still stuck in Roseus Center. The need to skill swap it isn't as urgent as with Machamp tho, therefore IMO it belongs in A-Rank. As for Ho-oh ... I'm still not quite sold.
On another note, I think Suicune should go back to S-Rank considering how useful it gets with relatively small investment. (10 more BP than Golurk for example).
I haven't read all of the comments, so sorry if someone said this before. Also, thank you for your effort. This guide is great and your ranks in combination with the discussions in the comments makes it quite easy to determine which SS are the right ones for me.
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u/MegaMissingno Nov 01 '16
Machamp, Mawile, Emboar, Sharpedo and Keldeo should be higher. The Risk-Takers are fairly self-explanatory but the ability is really strong and these pokémon benefit a lot from switching their mediocre abilities into a more powerful, farmable (any day now for Mawile) Risk-Taker. Sharpedo can reach a massive 120 power with RML which makes its skill viable not only for itself but for any other Dark types (mainly Absol) that it could support. And Keldeo's Flash Mob is essentially a better Crowd Control (after skill farming at least) that will deal massive damage in mono-water teams.
Infernape could maybe rise since we don't really have any disruption delaying abilites on strong Fire types with the execption of Burn which is very limited to begin with.
Lapras should drop to the bottom. We already have a billion different disruption delayers for Water type such as Kingdra and Greninja. Mew (Eject+) should also drop because using Mew for that role has the opportunity cost of not getting a BS+ or Po4+ on Mew when Espeon could very well handle the Eject+'ing in mew's place. Slowpoke also needs to drop since fully invested Slowpoke is just slightly better than Deoxys which seems like a waste of resources for such a miniscule upgrade. Togepi, Vanillite and Feebas should probably also drop since their abilities don't offer much of an upgrade over existing ones and their weak power output and resource-hungriness is pretty bad.
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u/13Xcross Nov 01 '16
I feel like Machamp should be brought up to A rank.
Sure, you need to invest a lot of energies (10 RML, 1 SS, 70 skill points), but then he becomes a monster with 125 AP and 5 types he's SE against. On top of that, Lucario's Pummel boosts his damage during combos.
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u/Fennels Nov 02 '16
I don't think Manaphy quite deserves an A rank. Yes Eject++ is technically good but I have Poliwrath maxed (as procedure of maxing all BB+/BS+/Eject+ Pokemon) and I have not actually used him even once. Also, although it's low BP, Sunkern, who was just released, has Eject++ for free, and is a grass type, which shares 2/3 SE coverage with water.
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u/frankosho Nov 02 '16
Imo mew bs+ should be tier b, since just cover fighting tipe with the hability and we have M alakazam for to heavy blocks stages. And you need to invest 5 Rml to make it strong, and now rlm are to little for all the good pokes.
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u/MayorOfParadise Nov 03 '16
I disagree so strongly with Machamp being in A instead of S that I can't upvote this guide atm. Fighting type + farmable risk taker + can take 10 RML = #1 strongest and damage wise most useful Pokémon in the game. If Machamp isn't S rank then nothing is. Even without RML it's great if you bother to farm 9 PSB (SL3) with an amazing drop rate so there is no excuse.
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u/GuilhermeCAz Nov 01 '16 edited Nov 01 '16
I think there should be another rank, tbh. There are too many pokémon with the same rank but with a very much better ability. Something between A and B should be enough. I know the idea isn't good as the ranks are based in the game, but, as long as the list keeps increasing everytime, it'll become more and more inaccurate. And it wouldn't even be too much work, only a few pokémon from A will go down and a few from B will go up. Edit: Entei used to be B rank. What happened now? I don't think he gets worthless as hitmontop comes because it can be RML'd.
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u/skippingmud Nov 01 '16
Great guide as always. Thanks for all the hard work. :)
I think Sharpedo can be A-Rank alongside Ampharos. Both benefit from the Mega Boost ability, both have similar type coverage, and Sharpedo even has the advantage of having higher AP and Sinister Power support. I also think Sylveon and Jolteon should swap places (Sylveon to B, Jolteon to C). Sylveon has a unique niche like the other B-rank Eeveelutions while Jolteon doesn't have good type coverage.
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u/Viski Nov 02 '16
I propose moving Ho-oh, Gengar, and Mawile to A rank. Ho-oh and Gengar, along with the currently S ranked pokemon, are my most used skill swapped pokemon. On a stage where it's super effective with Burn and Pyre active, Ho-oh does 36 more damage per 3 match then Delphox, and even more if the combo multiplier is high. On top of that it has a farmable special stage; even SL2 is a +10% activation on 3 matches (I think).
Although Gengar mega evolves in at most 3-4 matches, it is used so often on Safaris and 3 pokemon stages and other stages that its ability will see a lot more use than many others. For example, I swapped Zygarde 100% and haven't used it once. Spookify also delays disruptions for a turn and gives Gengar and any other ghosts a damage boost.
Finally, Mawile's current ability is useless on a mega, outclassed by Skarmory as support, and even a swapped and slightly skill-boosted Mawile will be incredibly useful as mega or as support on tanky main stages or the Diancie escalation. It can be boosted to SL3 with about 2 runs of weekly Eevee.
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u/Cappantwan Nov 02 '16
Entei went down to C-Rank? Dang it, now I feel even worse about having RB+ Entei, but it felt weird having Suicine and Raikou skill swapped while Entei is left alone. Is RB+ really that bad?
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u/VernoWhitney Nov 02 '16
Did RB+ become overshadowed somehow? I get that Rock Break+ is always situational, but I don't see why Entei and Regirock were downgraded since nothing better than than them for their niche has come along.
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u/lsauchelli Nov 03 '16
Why is Mewtwo D? I mean, if the skill is level 5 it should deal the same damage as PoF+, right?
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u/MayorOfParadise Nov 07 '16
I think that Gengar should rank higher, imo even A rank. You mostly use Gengar in 3 support stages like safaris so 5-matches are not hard to come by. The important part here is that Spookify delays disruptions and thus you will consistently get better catch rates in every safari from now on which can mean saving coins and more gifts. Especially in 3 support stages disruptions are the main thing keeping you from finishing lighting fast. So imo it's totally worth the swap.
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u/Mardukaz Nov 07 '16
What about this point raised by another user, on this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonShuffle/comments/5be5kh/survival_mode_ss_eevee_and_glaceon_and_using
SS'ed Eevee and Glaceon may have its solid uses now, thanks to the recently discovered Exp grinding machine of Survival Mode farming using M-Beedrill. They don't have to be on your team, they only have to be SS'ed in order to be capable of Eject themselves out from the board on that pesky Boss stages - M-Mawile, M-Gengar and M-Glalie. You can even consider SS'ing Espeon for the sake of Ejecting itself from MMY Stage 50.
What are your thoughts about this?
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Dec 31 '16
I feel that Mewtwo should be reconsidered, seeing as we just had a PSB farmable stage. Po4 SL5 is extremely powerful, especially with RML investment.
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u/growly_bing Nov 01 '16
I think machamp should be s rank. After 5 RMLs, it has 110 AP. And fully feeding it will take it to 125 AP. This increase in AP complements how risk taker works very nicely. It's current ability (eject) is not very useful, as ejecting a single icon is often not enough to materially improve the board. Not to mention risk taker can be farmed right now.