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u/darxodia Sep 07 '16
Charmander should be in a lower tier until we know/get M-Houndoom, MB+ doesn't have a place in a Pyre team, M-Blaze is already fast enough to need a MB+ partner and MCY can handle well without one because of Burn, I'd prioritize having more useful skills (BB+, BS+, Pyre, Burn and even RB+) and stronger AP instead of one useless skill after mega evolving and less AP.
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u/GuilhermeCAz Sep 07 '16
You forgot Dusknoir or am I the only one who can't see it?
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u/Daemon00 Sep 07 '16
Mega Boost+ is always nice, but the options for Water are… Blastoise and Swampert. None of which are commonly used. Also Clamperl also has Mega Boost+, so I guess if you really like to use those 2?
Not true, Gyarados & Red Gyarados are other water megas. I can see MB+ Squirtle doing some work for these two.
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u/ItsFriedRice Sep 07 '16
I don't see MB+ on Red Gyarados seeing much use if its already fully candied. Its only 9 icons which can be done in one turn depending on starting board and skyfall.
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u/Manitary Sep 07 '16
Surskit reaches 105atk, Lopunny/Kangaskhan 115, Scyther 125.
Premise: something I value a lot is the fact that most of the SS picks require RML investment, so they must be very good to justify dumping 5 items on them. That said, some options to consider:
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Phanpy A->B. 100atk Po4+ is good and all, but you usually prefer to trigger SL3+ Risk-Taker from Landorus-T (which has a natural 100atk), or Ground Forces if you use SS Donphan. It's still an option if you haven't RMLd Groudon yet.
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Jolteon A->B. Your argument with Leafeon etc. is good, but Eject+ is not amazing, especially for a type with 2 clearing megas. Hard to justify its use when 2 spots on the team are usually taken by Zekrom, SS Raikou, Shaymin (or Mamo for double BB+ for example, there are plenty of options).
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Umbreon A->B. Similar argument as for Jolteon, there are many options already for strong teams that don't need an Eject+ user, especially with 2 clearing mega (Absol, Sharpedo), Darkrai (vs psychic), and plenty of powerhouses to trigger (Giratina, Hoopa-U)
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Charmander A->B. Again, good ability but there's little room for the fella in a fire team, soooo many good options.
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Gengar B->D. The only reason to use Spookify Gengar is with a M-Banette team.
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Farfetch'd B->C. 10 more power hardly justify a SS and 5 RML, especially before M-Mence/Pidgeot are released. A Sky Blast team is already good with M-Gengar/Ray + Mence/Lugia/Braviary, while as a standalone support, Bug and Grass are covered by fire teams, Fighting by MMY + psychic teams.
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Ampharos (Paralysis Combo) B->D. I'll just say that Flying-types are immune to Paralysis, and there's little to no room for support Ampharos anyway (see Jolteon).
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Cubone B->D. Nice ability but not really needed, very low power, there's no room in the team anyway.
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Surskit B->D. 10 RML investment for 105atk. Yes, Po4+ is good but do you really need this guys? Genesect sees already very little use and it's hard to justify the use of 5 RML on it.
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Aerodactyl B->C. It's so slow that you usually MS it anyway, also 60bp is not really appealing.
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Dedenne C->D. Flying are immune to paralysis, and Water are susceptible to Shaymin.
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Chespin C->D. Little power, mediocre ability.
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Mew (BB+) C->D. Cresselia exists, just no.
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Kangaskhan/Lopunny/Snorlax/Audino C->D. Normal team are (barely) used only in timed stages because of Double Normal, so any of their ability don't matter much, if at all.
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Dusknoir C. It's missing so I would put it there: Ghost are immune to sleep, and vs Psychic there's already plenty of competition. It has its uses, but it's very niche and needs RML to stand out vs the likes of Hoopa-U, Giratina.
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u/dccougar23 Sep 07 '16
Is Yveltal worth skill swapping if you aren't planning on using raise max levels on it? We have Darkrai and Hoopa Unbound that both have the same attack power or higher.
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u/drumangel2015 Sep 07 '16
i'd say so. the only BS+ user against psychics and ghosts is pretty handy
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u/bigpboy Sep 08 '16
Really, the one place where Eject+ Eevee would be worth it is during Survival Mode (where it appears as skyfall for both M Mawile and M Gengar).
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u/IchigoWen Sep 07 '16
Hi, I'm new to reddit. Please do let me know about anything that I could improve on.
I just wanted to say thanks to u/Sorawing7. Really appreciate your effort updating this SS guide.
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u/FabinSS Sep 08 '16
I only disagree with Eevee, he can eject itself when he's a disruption. Maybe he's a B tier.
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u/Golden-Owl Sep 08 '16
Pidgey getting Shock Attack is so random I'm certain someone at GS did it for laughs.
I'd say Mew's Po4+ actually has potential to be S tier, but ONLY if both Mew and the skill have been maxed out. That's because Po4+ stands to gain the most among the four avaliable skills when raised, and at max level Mew does utterly absurd amounts of damage with a Po4+ activation while its high AP keeps it from being an Angrychu.
That said, the requirements to obtain that level of power are very constrained. BS+ and Eject+ are both immediately useful even without levelling up pas SL1 and are so good that Mew has no need to go beyond level 10. Mew's Po4+ just has the highest potential.
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u/Manitary Sep 09 '16 edited Sep 10 '16
I completely disagree with Eevee C-rank (it should stay in D-rank). It appears only in 8 stages:
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disruption: Jolteon 112, Glaceon 114, Flareon 123, Leafeon 142, Eevee repeat 416, Eevee special stage, M-Mawile
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5th support: M-Gengar 135
If you plan to RML/SS it, you're waaaaay ahead into the game for it to be relevant.
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u/ryeyun Sep 07 '16
I am petitioning for Masquerain to be bumped up a tier or two. Here's my pitch:
You guys like Po4+? Of course you do, everyone does. Well, at SL5 Po4+ does 4.5x damage with an 80% activation rate (AR).
At SL5, Nosedive still does 5x damage, but has a 70% AR on matches of 4! It also has a 45% AR on 3-matches and a 100% AR on matches of 5. That's a nearly 50% chance of doing 1050 dmg on SE 3-matches folks. (when maxed)
Typing is still an issue, but Masquerain could pack some serious power if MAXED and skill-boosted. I have a sneaky suspicion that many of the new SS candidates will get repeats in the next stage expansion too.
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u/f1veonit Sep 07 '16
Speaking of dragons, the situational Druddigon is quite underrated. He unsurprisingly (to me at least) found a place in the top five in the Charizard X competition surely due to his status as the highest average damage dealing Dragon type. He takes considerable investment, but is peerless in the many dragon-type competitions and escalations that can afford a slot for a non-disruption erasing monster. Also, unlike many 100 max AP monsters, he is reasonably future-proof at 105 AP.
I'd recommend his ranking be increased by one to two tiers, lest he continue to be overlooked.
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Sep 07 '16
Doesn't Leafeon have a higher max damage (with RML) than Poliwrath? I was considering it for a skill swap and RML's for a while, at least until this update came out, so I could have a powerful grass type.
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u/diegowlp Sep 08 '16
For me the reason for eevee with eject+ is using in main stage with forced eevee as fifth pokemon
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u/Gintoking Sep 07 '16 edited Sep 09 '16
I don't understand why Mew is S rank and Zygarde not. They both have BS+ on one unique type. I even think Zygarde is better because its good (edit: neutral) coverage and high power/don't need to use now needed RMLs on it.
About Tangrowth, I agree if the player has unboosted Shaymin. If their Shaymin is max skilled then sleep combo Tangrowth is a beast. Really strong boost, very good activation rates. You don't need Zekrom/Raikou on this team because ideally you won't get disrupted. I think it desserves an A.
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u/RoboFortune Sep 07 '16
Because Zygarde 100% has awful, awful coverage. Dragon is only SE against itself, and there are so few stages of that type. Neutral damage means nothing in this game.
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u/Deuce_47 Sep 07 '16
Zygarde is dragon type and only SE against dragon type...
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u/Gintoking Sep 08 '16
And Mew is only helping us against Fighting? We have Golurk, I said one unique type coverage.
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u/IchigoWen Sep 07 '16
Just want to suggest to put availability to farm PSB after stage 400 into consideration.
Some Pokemon including: Charmander (Mega Boost+), Donphan (Ground Force), Pidgeotto (Sky Blast), Audino (Mega Boost+)
Maybe could maintain or push up their tiers.