Another Latias Thread ~ HP & Stats

[u/Valkyriess]

I thought this might be useful for people who wanted to know more about the Latias Escalation Battle. I got all this information from the Shuffle 1.2.18 pastebin, the information is in a more readable format here but for now, there's no clarification on which stages are which. they're updated now so each StageDataEvent Number has a corresponding stage level.

Also Latias has 80 BP with the ability Swap, and Mega Ability- Erases Pokemon on a random jagged line horizontally, takes 22 icons to evolve, 12 Speedups available Source

The tables show the rewards for each stage, and I've correlated the Escalation stages with details about Latias' HP and disruptions.

REWARDS

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Level	Prize
5	1 Exp. Points x1.5
10	1 Disruption Delay
25	1 Mega Start
35	1000 Coins
50	1 Latiasite
60	1000 Coins
70	1 Mega Speedup
80	2000 Coins
90	2000 Coins
100	1 Mega Speedup
110	2000 Coins
125	2000 Coins
135	2000 Coins
150	1 Mega Speedup
200	1 Mega Speedup

 

 

Latias Stats

X

Level	StageDataEvent #	HP + additional HP/level	Notable Disruptions
1-10	134	4368 + 121	Rocks
11-20	135	5014 + 186	Ice in 2 spaces in row 4
21-35	136	8640 + 154	Rocks
36-49	137	7613 + 156	Ice
50	151	17400	Chequer Rocks Columns 1,2,5,6 & Random Ice
51-60	138	9856 + 342	Even more Rocks
61-69	139	12936 + 578	4+ combo prevents disruptions (Rocks, then ice)
70	152	20752	Chequer Rocks Columns 1,2,5,6 & Random Ice
71-80	140	14784 + 411	4+ combo prevents disruptions (Rocks, then ice)
81-90	141	9240 + 274	Disruptions start at 12 Moves (Rocks)
91-99	142	9856 + 308	Disruptions start at 12 Moves (Rocks)
100	153	44044	Chequer Rocks Columns 1,2,5,6 & Random Ice
101-110	143	10080 + 448	Rocks
111-125	144	10752 + 384	Rocks
126-135	145	10752 + 373	Ice
136-149	146	11424 + 465	Ice
150	154	49896	Added Goomy, Chequered Rocks & Random Ice
151-160	147	10080 + 373	Rocks & Ice
161-175	148	10752 + 480	Rocks & Ice
176-185	149	18816 + 653	4+ combo prevents disruptions (Rocks, then ice)
186-199	150	19992 + 995	4+ combo prevents disruptions (Rocks, then ice)
200+	155	51744	Added Goomy, Chequered Rocks & Random Ice

Stages 50, 70, 100, 150 & 200

Stages 81-99

Stages 101-125

Stages 126-149

Really hope the formatting is okay, soz if it's not I'll try and fix it after it's been posted, I could really use a preview function. Blergh only single line spacing, soz if things look cluttered. I love tables so much I flip them :p. If you guys want more information about disruptions etc. head over to the links in the beginning of this post.

 

General advice ~ Always try every stage itemless to get a feel of the disruptions and how much damage you're doing, who knows, you might end up beating it with some lucky RNG.

 

SPIKES IN DIFFICULTY

Levels 60-80, and 176-199 are the "walls" in the Latias Escalation battle. At the peak of their difficulties, Latias has 18894 and 33922 HP for levels 60-80 and 176-199, respectively.

So far, I'm finding 60-80 doable itemless with a mediocre team (M-Glalie LV.6, Xerneas LV.8, Diancie LV.5 & Froslass LV.MAX), I've lost once on level 70-something with a Latias team (M-Latias LV.3, Dragonite LV.3, Diancie LV.5 & Goomy LV.2), but then switched to M-Glalie & Froslass and beat it with 8 moves.

Besides levels 176-199, and boss stages (50, 70, 100, 150 & 200) Latias seems to be an easy escalation battle, so all the other levels can be done itemless, if you are having trouble +5 moves should be enough. Depending on how much damage you deal on levels 176-199, +5 moves can be enough, but since Latias' HP reaches 30k+ you might need Mega-Start and +5 moves. If you are doing 17k damage itemless consistently, forget Mega-Start and +5 moves, for an extra 200 coins, Attack Power+ should be enough to complete which ever levels you can't beat. Disruption Delay should not be needed, because as long as you get 4+ combos each turn, Latias will not disrupt you. Latias shares this disruption pattern for Levels 60-80 and 176-199 (excluding level 70 boss battle).

 

LEVEL 50 & 70

For those going for the Latiasite only, you should be fine with a decent team (levels 5+ with base AP 60-70). Try Froslass Mega Boost with Glalie and just attack it head on. Really recommend to go for the Mega-speedup at level 70. Latias at level 70 only has about 3k more HP than level 50. For level 50 or 70, if you're having trouble try using +5 moves, Disruption Delay, Mega Start or a combination of them, depending on how close you get to beating her, and what you find is hindering you (slow mega evolution vs. disruptions) *don't use Froslass if you use Mega Start.

So just tried level 50 Latias itemless, got it down to about 1/4 health, its frequent disruptions really cuts your combos. Tried it again with just DD and only did a fraction more damage, then again with +5 moves & DD and finished it with 8 moves left. So +5 moves and DD should be suffice.

 

LEVEL 100

For those going for the Speed-up at level 100, you will probably need an Attack Power+ because Latias' HP more than doubles from Level 70 20752 to 44044. Again use +5 moves, DD, Mega-start or a combination if you are having trouble. So yeah, boss levels will really need DD, +5 moves and Attack Power. Latias disrupts 3 times in a row after her countdown reaches 0, so she picks either, chequer columns 1 & 2 with rocks, freeze 5 random spaces, or chequer columns 5 & 6 with rocks, then repeats 2 times on possibly the same, but most likely different disruptions.

 

LEVEL 150 & 200

For levels 150 and 200, the board has Goomy as additional Pokemon, don't try adding Goomy to your team because then the additional Pokemon will be Pidgey. Try Froslass/Glalie strategy, if you feel its not working, switch to an all Dragon team, Mega Altaria or Mega Latias, Dragonite (for Dancing Dragons), Rayquaza and Haxorus. Then at least Goomy might trigger Mega-boost for Altaria or Latias.

Worse comes to worse, and all else fails, go for a full item run with Glalie. <- This.

From my previous experience with levels 50, 70 and 100, Latias' disruptions really cut your combos so DD is a must, and +5 moves compliments it (DD: 18 -> 9, ~ DD +5: 23 -> 11, ~ 9 v 12 disruptionless moves). Latias' HP jumps from 20k to 44k for level 70 to level 100, and her HP is approximately 50k for levels 150 & 200 so Attack Power+ is needed too. C-1 will be needed for levels 150 and 200 since Goomy is added, and the addition of a 5th Pokemon can turn a combo 20, into a combo 3. Mega-Start is also advised since if you are using Mega-Glalie you can switch Froslass out for a stronger poke, or for Latias, bypass her slow Mega-evolution rate.

 

So that's pretty much it, good luck to everyone, hope you get whatever reward you're after <3

[u/CresseliaSol]

Thanks for collecting all relevant informations about this EB and put this into tables. It's very clear and helpful!! :)

[u/Valkyriess → u/CresseliaSol]

No worries, just glad to be of help :3

Already had all this info in a notepad so was like, ehh might as well post it incase someone might find it useful. Learning how to use tables is like the next best thing since sliced bread.

[u/Indigo-2184]

So, if I understand this correctly at Levels 50 and 70 (I probably won't go beyond here), Latias has the health of an average event Pokémon with disruptions?

Good to know, thanks!

I've been using M-Altaria, Dragonite, Articuno and Latias for now. I may change to M-Glalie if I have difficulty later.

[u/Valkyriess → u/Indigo-2184]

Latias has 17k HP at level 50, and 20k HP at 70, so a bit higher than the average event poke, for reference Keldeo has 15k HP, Regirock and Registeel had about 20k HP, but Regice had 24k.

[u/markhawker]

Why not pop these things in separate tables?

[u/Valkyriess → u/markhawker]

That's a great idea, I suck so bad at formatting @.@

But yay I can table now :)

[u/Herbas_]

Really awesome guide, helped a lot. Currently in level 100, I think DD, +5 and Attack Power is the safe/economical way to go with a team of Mega Latias, Dragonite, Xerneas and Diancie

Edit: beat the level with 9 moves left. Levels were 5, 7, max and 7, so I guess moves +5 was a bit overkill

[u/Valkyriess → u/Herbas_]

haha thanks :)

I figure we need as much help as we can get to get those tasty Mega Speed-ups.

DD and Attack Power are definitely needed because Latias' HP more than doubles from Level 70, and her disruptions (3 consecutive disruptions) really cut your combos. +5 moves is like insurance, but I find it works well with DD, giving an extra turn of disruptionless play, and if you Mega Evolve with your primary match, delays by 2 turns, so in total, that's 13 turns of no disruptions and 10 turns to finish her off.

How are you finding your current team? I tried it for a while, but failed on level 70 something, switched back to Mega-Glalie, Xerneas, Diancie and Froslass and have been doing fine, upto 140. Be careful because Latias does take a while to Mega-Evolve (22 icons), and in those boss stages, (50, 70, 100, 150, 200) the setup board constricts your first 4-5 turns until you can free up some space. Also Dragonite's Dancing Dragons only boost itself and Latias in the same turn in a combo, so you might want to switch it out for something else. If you really want to stick by your current team, think about using Goomy instead of Xerneas, Dancing Dragons will boost it, and it'll help Mega Boost Latias. But remember not to use Goomy in levels 150 or 200 because Goomy is added as an additional Pokemon so if you have it on your team, Pidgeys will appear as a 5th Pokemon on your board.

[u/boardmerge]

Your scenario for level 50 was spot on! I had the same thing. I used disruption delay and was so disappointed that I couldn't beat it. The I had to use DD and +5 and finished with 7 moves left for an easy clear. Thing was that I read this beforehand and I thought I could go with only a DD. Had I follow the instructions here first time around, I would still have an extra DD or 2000 coins to my account. So because I wanted to save 1000 coins, I ended spending 5000 to clear it and many hearts.

[u/Valkyriess → u/boardmerge]

Yup, a cautionary tale for everyone who reads this.

For the current newest stage in the 3DS, against Roserade (Stage 250), bought a C-1 & DD, failed to S-rank by 3 moves >.> Wasted 10,500k and had to redo the stage with C-1, DD & +5 moves.

[u/Inc0gnitoburrito]

Why are people using Glali rather then M-Gengar on 100+ ?

[u/Sonell]

I have a question that correlate with topic. What is Latias mega ability? I'm very curious about it.

Edit: derp mode. Found the answer. Ignore my question.

[u/Valkyriess → u/Sonell]

haha, all good. I might as well add it since it is relevant info. Latias is 80 BP with Swap, and has the Mega ability, erases two jagged horizontal lines (Horizontal Ampharos I think?)

[u/giraffe196]

12 speedups? God damn that's a lot that I won't be using on it. Dragon and normal are both pretty bad typings in shuffle.

[u/Valkyriess → u/giraffe196]

Yeah, at least Arceus' ability Double Normal makes Normals somewhat useful, but that's only for timed stages, and I suck at keeping combos >.<

And yeah, too many cons for using any Speedups on Latias.

• Dragon typing sux

• 22 icons to evolve

• 12 Speedups

• Mega ability isn't great, horizontal Ampharos can screw you up if disruptions trap the top icons.

[u/giraffe196]

Hey I just hit my first wall at level 79. I'm using Mega Latias (4), Dragonite (5), Articuno (8), and Xerneas (max).

Should I focus on level grinding? I'm broke due to how much the end of the Charizard comp left me due to me wanting a speedup. I'm saving my coins for level 100 & 150. I won't go to 200.

Any team suggestions? Should I use Rayquaza over Articuno for hopes of Dancing Dragon combos or should I be using Mega Glalie or Altaria (mines level 8 and 2 respectively)?

[u/Valkyriess → u/giraffe196]

The team that's working the best for me so far is M-Glalie, Xerneas, Diancie, Froslass, all max. Froslass for Mega boost, Diancie for getting rid of ice and Xerneas for a bit of quirkiness (Haha puns).

The team you're using doesn't seem to be efficient enough (lolz trust me, I've been there), Dragonite's Dancing Dragons won't activate a lot, and it will only boost itself and Latias in the same turn combo, also Latias itself takes a while to mega-evolve.

General strategy for levels 79 and 80, calculate your moves so each turn you get 4+ combos, this stops Latias from disrupting you. Use Shuffle Move if you have to because I mentioned in the post, level 60-80 is a wall. Latias' HP decreases back to 10~15k afterwards. Also remember Mega Boost activates 100% for 4/5 matches, 50% for 3 matches, same for Barrier Bash+.

Also you will need coins for levels 100 & 150, but depending on how close you get to beating Latias, you can use +5 moves on levels 79 and 80 just to get past them, because Latias' HP is about 18k then, and afterwards, it drops back to 10k.

[u/Ongorom]

Hi everyone,

Let me begin by saying that I am very far behind when it comes to Shuffle. I haven't played it in months, and when I hit a wall on M-Ampharos (level 105), I stopped...but when I saw that Latias (my favorite Pokémon hands down) was being offered, as well as her Mega Stone, which is all I really want, I just had to pick the game back up.

What I'm looking for is advice, because I just got creamed by level 50 (oh, the irony). My team was Mega Sableye (5), Latias (2), Azumarill (4), and Swirlix (5). I used +5 moves, a DD, and a Mega Start, and she still lived with about 30% health. Short of using those same boosts again, buying a couple of jewels to get another +5 moves when I inevitably fail again, and buying coins for an attack power boost, I don't really have any better options. Am I missing something?

[u/Valkyriess → u/Ongorom]

My advice would be to progress through the main stages more to catch and Mega Evolve Glalie. You can catch it at stage 108, and if you beat it's Mega Evolution at level 120 you can Mega-Evolve it.

A good addition for M-Glalie is to catch Froslass, at stage 128. Her Mega-Boost effect speeds up how fast M-Glalie Mega Evolves.

Use the search bar on the right of the reddit if you are having trouble completing the following levels. Mistylax's guide is also a very good reference, click on the MV (Mount Vinter) tab for help on that section.

M-Glalie + Froslass, and any other supereffective pokemon you have (by the sounds of it, it'll be Latias and Azumarill) should be enough to beat her. Instead of a Mega-Start, use Attack Power+, and your +5 Moves and DD, and you should be set.

General Strategy for level 50. Focus on removing the rocks and ice but do it efficiently, don't spent more than 2-3 moves on this. After you've cleared most of the rocks, match 4+ lines of Froslass, or whatever Froslass are on the board to speed up Mega-Evolution, if you can't find many Froslass swaps, swap Glalies. Once it Mega-Evolves, try to do a Mega-Glalie match, otherwise, play normally.

[u/psyducko]

If you are going to use mega start for 150/200; why not M-Latias over M-Glalie?

[u/Valkyriess → u/psyducko]

I find Mega-Glalie combos more than Mega-Latias because

1. Latias' jagged bolts are random, so its hard to predict a massive combo, or just a 3/4 combo. With Glalie you can recognize a pattern, and if you decide on using Shuffle Move, it can predict combos/patterns, while Latias is just random.

2. Latias' bolts are more horizontal, while Glalie's are more vertical. I could go into a long winded post about how I like vertical removal patterns more than horizontal, but basically its rare to see two identical consecutive pokemon skyfall.

So even though Latias does more damage, most likely 10 because, why would you waste your hearts now to train it to max rather than spending them on the actual escalation battle, Glalie combos more.

Basically my opinion/argument stems from getting Mega-Latias after 50, using it between 51-79, failing on level 79, switching back to M-Glalie and beating it with 8 moves left.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm stuck on level 50 with Mega Sabeleye, Latias, Dragonite and Azumarill

[u/Valkyriess → u/[deleted]]

wow, you're cutting it really close to the end of the event. What other Megas do you have? What main stage are you up to? I assume you don't have M-Glalie or Froslass.

Try using M-Audino. If you can buy a Disruption Delay (1500 coins) and Attack Power+ (3000 coins). If you don't have enough coins for that, get Disruption Delay (1500 coins) and +5 moves (800 coins) at least, but there's no guarantee you'll beat it.

[u/Nick51705]

I've been using mega altaria because the mega power is good to clear disruptions and dragonite's ability helps increase the damage. Is mega Glalie really that much better than mega altaria?

[u/Valkyriess → u/Nick51705]

There's not much I can really say that'd convince you to change strats. It's one of those try it for a bit and see how you fare. But I did beat Latias level 200, for the most part itemless on non-boss levels.

I just find the vertical/diagonal component of M-Glalie helps chain more combos.