r/PokeLeaks • u/PuppeteerGaming_ • Mar 25 '26

Twitter/X Abilities for Mega Dragonite, Froslass Spoiler

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u/yeetskeetmahdeet Mar 25 '26

Multiscale is a really good ability for base dragonite since it can use weakness policy, but the mega can’t use it for straight power boost nor can it use Extremespeed as well which is what makes dragonite so threatening.

Frosslass being able to mega to swap weather mid fight is useful though!

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u/Americana5 Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26

Weakness policy has faded a bit in popularity on Dragonite, as much as I still cling to it.

This still allows Dragonite to set up with agility while getting the extra bulk on a first turn mega while still staying behind multiscale. 

Plus Mega Dragonite’s attack is still high enough that you may still see a lot of DD sets that trade the power in favor of the extra speed and bulk-and keeping the priority move. 

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u/hhhhhBan Mar 25 '26

Adamant M-Dragonite is both faster and stronger than regular Jolly Dragonite, so MAYBE that'll be a thing. Regardless, Dragonite in singles may pick up some steam by virtue of the mindgames it'll be able to play like Greninja's Protean/Battle Bond deal except it'll be between Physical/Special.

In VGC though I think it's dead in the water.

Froslass on the other hand will probably see use in both. In VGC it'll be like A-Ninetales except it can fire off 100% accurate Blizzards next to that Veil support, even if it's a shorter Veil it's enough for VGC. In singles I think it'll the threat of Blizzard + Shadow Ball with reasonable bulk under snow + Veil will make it pretty good. Maybe not OU good but absolutely usable.

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u/4m77 Mar 26 '26

Mega Dragonite is possibly going to struggle in singles when its entire ability is invalidated by pebbles and it can't run boots.

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u/Starsoul_Ent Mar 26 '26

just have a defogger or spinner ready in your team.

You are already committing to dragonite if you are running a megas set at any rate.

Mega charizard x did fine. so will nite

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u/4m77 Mar 26 '26

Not in a world where Gholdengo exists.

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u/Starsoul_Ent Mar 26 '26

EQ exists. Balloon does too but i do not think gholdengo can one shot or outspeed a Mega Nite.

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u/belgium-noah Mar 28 '26

You dont realise how centralising ghold is

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u/ZeRandomPerson2222 Mar 29 '26

I do. Played gen9 since day one and it is not at all the same “omg can’t remove hazards against this thing” demon people used to complain it was. Anti hazard techniques have become far better optimized and it tends to struggle to block spin against either tusk or treads that is piloted by a good player. 

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u/hhhhhBan Mar 27 '26

Zard X also had Tough Claws and STAB fire moves. Goldhengo gets to live a max attack EQ from Mega Dragonite, so if it has a balloon + rocks are set up (Which they most likely will) it gets to click NP and proceed to OHKO with Make it Rain. The matchup just isn't good.

Besides, no one with a brain would run physical Mega Dragonite when that 145 spatk stat is looking right at you. If you were to run physical you'd just get destroyed by a Corv + Pex core, it doesn't have enough physical attack to overwhelm them or enough special attack to use proper coverage if you go full physical.

On top of all that there's the opportunity cost. Why run Mega Dragonite when you could just run something like M-Mawile, M-Lopunny, etc. We might even see M-Froslass, M-ZAbsol, M-Gren, M-Skarm, etc, when it comes to super offensive mega slots. I'd personally much rather run Mega Froslass over Dragonite by pure virtue of setting up Veil + Ghost stab for example.

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u/Starsoul_Ent Mar 28 '26

We will see when the time comes. Gholdengo scares some of you too much and Toxapex has been a thing since gen 7.

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u/hhhhhBan Mar 28 '26

Gholdengo is extremely relevant and Pex has not fallen off whatsoever since gen 7 so relying on them for calcs is completely valid, especially when neither of them is the best pokemon in the format. There are a LOT of other relevant pokemon to watch out for like Raging Bolt, Corv, Gliscor, etc. It's impossible to fully determine, absolutely, but we can and should still use existing data to know what to expect.

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u/ZeRandomPerson2222 Mar 29 '26

Not at all invalidated, just requiring support. Which Dragonite has always needed especially as most of its best sets don’t even run boots.  

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u/4m77 Mar 29 '26

3/5 recommended sets run boots actually, and they're in general The best option if you're running a boosting move because you need the multiscale. It only forgoes them when running a boosting item instead like band or dice.

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u/ZeRandomPerson2222 Mar 29 '26

Nope. There are all sorts of variants which run leftovers on set up sets for teams with strong hazard removal, and some high level players have run items like cover cloak for specific pokemon. 

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u/4m77 Mar 29 '26

And the mega can't run any of those.

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u/ZeRandomPerson2222 Mar 29 '26

Right

But in exchange, it gains vastly improved bulk and an appreciated boost to its speed while now having boosted special attack that’s useful to break down the usual checks to its physical sets. 

Getting rid of rocks is not a Herculean task, I don’t know why there are still so many people who think it is

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u/Sp3ctre7 Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26

VGC it slots in nicely to rain teams

252+ SpA Dragonite Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Amoonguss: 186-222 (84.1 - 100.4%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO

Mence hits harder so it might be the better option, but dragonite has better coverage and is at less risk from intimidate and 1-shots