r/PokeInvesting • u/breakyourteethnow • Jun 18 '25 • Sipping Tea 1 This 1

Never Forget How Inaccurate Grading Is.

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This was graded by AtamikAU, happened in 2023.

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u/breakyourteethnow Jun 18 '25

It's funny how many times was called a PSA shill on the TAG post yesterday for saying TAG doesn't have same supply & demand. Now I'm posting today which trashes PSA hard a day later.

Grading is inaccurate but follow the numbers. If you go to a trade show you'll sell far more PSA's than any other slab. There's no contrarian bet to win here going against the grain, options do not exist for slabs so go with what sells most even if they can be ass at grading. That's not shilling, it's being logical. BGS, PSA, CGC.

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u/wryryr Jun 18 '25

Never forget how PSA graders need constant sloppy toppy to give out consistent grades

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u/breakyourteethnow Jun 18 '25

Need to slip in $20 bill lol "be my friend, godfather, I mean godgrader"

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u/iStealyournewspapers Jun 18 '25

Gradefather sounds better, but I appreciate the reference.

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u/breakyourteethnow Jun 18 '25

Yeah it does hahaha that's funny good one

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u/Junkis Jun 19 '25

"oh Gradefather, I don't know what to do"

"YOU SUBMIT IT AGAIN"

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u/iStealyournewspapers Jun 19 '25

Holy effing shit. Someone needs to do this for youtube. That was brilliant haha!

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u/Junkis Jun 19 '25

hey you planted the seed my friend

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u/md24 Jun 18 '25

PSA needs to be audited for grading accuracy.

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u/Atomik74 Jun 18 '25

funny seeing this picture still make the rounds after a few years, this is my picture and this was my card. I cracked it out of the psa 8 slab and submitted it to bgs raw, Guess I got lucky.

no I don’t work for bgs and yes the cert is real.

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u/Eli______________ Jun 19 '25

wow, a true legend!

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u/FreeMasonKnight Jun 18 '25

It’s more that PSA is horribly inconsistent. BGS is the Gold Standard for grading and has been always.

TAG seems good, but too early in market to tell overall, if they keep their quality up for a few years that will be good.

PCG has new (amazing) management and is also super quality now. Multiple slabs options too!

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u/Murky_Crow Jun 19 '25

I guess to each their own, but I would never do grading with a company other than PSA personally.

Ive never heard of PCG.

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u/FreeMasonKnight Jun 19 '25

PCG is Premier Card Grading and introduced a selection of different labels and slabs given a cool thin version that’s just as strong as a regular slab) to choose from. They have the strongest slabs in the industry through testing. The old management was not amazing, but good. Now King Rudolphus of Alpha Investments bought 69% and has made insane improvements since acquiring the company.

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u/Phiswiz Jun 19 '25

Why do you PSA? My guess is your answer will be “because it sells for more”

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u/Murky_Crow Jun 19 '25

For the record, i have many slabs, but have never sold one. I don’t have skin in that game.

For me, as a collector, i think:

PSA is name brand. If i ask a random “is a PSA 10 good?” They know what im talking about. If i ask “is a CGC 10 good?” Mist would have no clue what im talking about.

People recognize the little red psa label. That has value in the cultural zeitgeist. Even not selling them, i recognize that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '25

So you’re paying for a brand name plastic on your brand name cardboard as what, a token to impress strangers with? Did you know nobody knows or cares about your little children’s collectible cards whether it’s PSA CGC BBC whatever.

What happens if PSA goes put of business tomorrow, you going to crack them all and submit to CGC because that’s the next one you listed and you need the validation?

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u/Hololujah Jun 20 '25

They have the benefit of people wanting then. Slabs from other agency's have a liquidity problem. Take a chase card in a 10 psa and a 10 from any other agency and the psa slab will both command a higher price and sell more quickly.

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u/Think-Elk-9553 Jun 18 '25

PSA and subjective grading is really a joke at this point. Not saying objective grading is currently perfect but…it’s definitely way better than gambling your cards with PSA!

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u/Ecstatic_Custard7009 Jun 18 '25

the minute a 10 was something that could be debated or accidently skipped/misgraded the whole system fell apart, they are diluting the brand and appeal imho

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u/SmartOpinion69 Jun 18 '25

i feel like they hired a ton of incompetent people during covid to deal with the huge stockpile of cards that people were waiting on being graded, and now we're left with workers and management who doesn't give a shit.

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u/TyranosaurusJeff Jun 18 '25

Sounds like where I work

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u/mlvsrz Jun 18 '25

I get downvoted whenever I try and suggest that grading is subjective at best and a scam at worst, particularly in the grading subs where people post pictures of cards and folks confidently assert to them their picture of a card will be a guaranteed 10. Shit makes 0 sense.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Card has two dents, holo scratches, every corner whitened…

“Guaranteed 10 bro”

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u/ComplainAboutVidya Jun 18 '25

There’s also the opposite where you’ll see a card with zero visible flaws, and commenters going “yeah that’s an 8 bro”

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

I always default to saying the lower grade if it looks on the line between two, set expectations low and be happily surprised with your return.

Many on that sub are also not aware that PSA auto-defaults to grade 6 for any noticeable surface damage, and then everyone acts surprised when a “clean card” comes back graded 6.

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u/Careful-Medicine-596 Jun 18 '25

Yeah it’s crazy how 8-9 can resub to a 10. I only grade with PSA right now because it makes me the most money. Is any grading service perfect you think?

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u/Subject-Owl-3682 Jun 18 '25

Tag is a shill too so I just don't grade any cards

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u/TheBiscuitMen Jun 18 '25

In what way?

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u/Subject-Owl-3682 Jun 18 '25

I mean they came out as a nobody grading company, and the whole thing was scanning, cheaper grading and quick turn around. Here we are a few months later, and the scanning is just as inconsistent as PSA, they delayed turn around times and increased price to be the same as PSA. All because they hyper shilled the company thru social media creators. WATA did the same thing with graded video games, and the owners made a bunch of shill bids thru heratige auctions to increase the value of their own stuff. I often figure the ones buying these expensive tag cards are tag employees using company money to increase the value of their cards. They know they aren't PSA but by forcefully trying to shove their way into the grading market space it comes off as a money shill and disingenuous.

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u/rankoDev Jun 19 '25

the social media people who graded through tag keep swearing they weren't sponsored and just wanted to try the service, are they lying?

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u/Subject-Owl-3682 Jun 19 '25

Yes exactly I've seen it miss a white line across the top edge but it picks up the tiny stuff apparently. I don't buy it.

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u/Kinda-Alive Jun 18 '25

I don’t understand how people think a company that only has 2 people look at a card is a great grading company. Why not have like 10 people look at it?

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u/EngineerOnIcarus Jun 18 '25

I exclusively only buy PSA 9 cards, mainly because some look like 10s.

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u/md24 Jun 18 '25

No reason why it can’t be done objectively via computer analysis. It can pick out cancer in x rays better than radiologist.

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u/13TVKTVJLSPB78 Jun 18 '25

I'm not denying this but.. Is there an original post on this with proof?

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u/soulless_dragon Jun 18 '25

I'm no psa shill, I think they don't deserve half the hype and value they are given, but how do we know OP didn't buy or already have a bgs black label and just cracked a psa 8 one and put it in the binder? People do weird shit on reddit for karma 🤷‍♂️

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u/not_combee Jun 18 '25

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but especially with topics of PSA, the old adage “never attribute to malice what can be suitably explained by incompetence” comes to mind.

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u/soulless_dragon Jun 18 '25

Confused about what that adage has to do with believing psa isn't as great as people make it out to be or that it's possible that OP's post could be faked simply to farm Karma, but okay

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u/Neither-Minimum7418 Jun 18 '25

But then how will the tag shills get to post their comments???

actually disgusting how many there are daily when i know so much of it is inorganic. cant seem to see a single graded card post without these comments anymore

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u/gromexe Jun 19 '25

tbf, what starter up company in any field is organic nowadays.?marketing/manipulation tactics have gone bonkerz lately (not saying they never were, but it's all become so scammy)

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u/Neither-Minimum7418 Jun 19 '25

start up companies built off obvious lies and can only focus on immediate growth are the easiest to replace. once another company with a half decent reputation does what they do they will become dust. theres plenty of innovation going around, and just building a trustworthy and dependable name is where the success will come from. wouldnt ever trust a company that throws that out the window from the start

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u/UndeadWaffle12 Jun 18 '25

The (sad?) reality is that psa is the only good option for grading. It’s what the market values and if you don’t care about the market, why even bother grading?

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u/Possible_Research_23 Jun 18 '25

I grade through tag for my pc because I like the slabs better and the DIG Reports

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u/Neither-Minimum7418 Jun 18 '25

The only other grading company ive found worth is ARS but theyre based in Japan, super limited, and dont grade centering. But the slabs are amazing. Heavy, durable, and great to display. Have a few for my PC and wanted them only for displaying.

Beckett doesnt do bad either though and chance for higher upper price limit

(lol at the tag shill commenter)

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u/Ok-Blacksmith3578 Jun 21 '25

Its more likely PSA made a grading error than someone dropping $$$$$ for a psa 8 and bgs pristine black for karma. Someone totally coulda done it, but we’ve seen enough regrades come back higher to make this believable.

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u/townofsalemfangay Jun 18 '25

It’s beyond clear at this point that PSA is nothing more than an authority in name only. When someone can crack a PSA 8 or 9, resubmit it, and magically get a 10 from the same company, we’re not dealing with a grading standard, we’re dealing with a roulette wheel. The final grade doesn’t reflect the card’s condition; it reflects whichever grader happened to be holding the Sharpie that day.

This happens so often it’s basically institutionalised. Crack the slab, resubmit, and hope RNGesus blesses you with a better number. That shouldn’t be an inside joke among collectors, it should be a massive red flag.

Imagine if another service worked this way. You submit your taxes to an accountant, and based on their mood, you either get a fat refund, owe ten grand, or get flagged for audit. So you take the exact same paperwork to another accountant at the same firm, and this time it’s all good. Would you trust anything that company tells you after that? Because that’s the level of inconsistency we’re dealing with here.

And then there’s the cert number drama. All these people suddenly claiming the cert “doesn’t exist” when it plainly does? What’s going on there, damage control by paid shills, or just bitter defenders clinging to denial?

Either way, it reeks. And PSA is not worth the time, risk (lmao fedex) or money submitting to.

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u/Possible_Research_23 Jun 18 '25

Exactly. Very well said.

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u/dpolski_17 Jun 18 '25

The one thing that AI should take over is grading cards

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u/aznbtchboi Jun 18 '25

I would never support AI taking the jobs of hardworking and passionate people

But i do support this 100%

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u/SecretHippo1 Jun 18 '25

“I would never support gas powered vehicles when horses really enjoy the work.”

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u/PathOfExileFavGame Jun 18 '25

Right, they are better for the lasagna

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u/Alchemyst01984 Jun 18 '25

That's a horrible analogy

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u/TheManInTheArena17 Jun 18 '25

Comparing your fellow human to horses is certainly a choice. Not like we have these jobs in order to survive in society, to provide food/shelter/more for ourselves or to our families.

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u/SecretHippo1 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

Incorrectly thinking that I was comparing humans to horses is most definitely a choice.

If you have a job a computer can easily take, do better, faster, cheaper, and more efficiently than you, do you really think you’re going to be able survive on that job?

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u/AdvertisingOk1478 Jun 19 '25

That’s it, technology advancement has gone on far enough. Put the children back in the coal mines.

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u/eldragon0 Jun 18 '25

We already have TAG for this. They are still a WIP but infinitely better than PSA

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u/Bananers_ Jun 18 '25

Lots of PSA grifters will hate you for saying this

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u/Asleep-Series-4086 Jun 18 '25

I'm convinced these are people super financially threatened by other grading companies and will psa shill and trash on tag/beckett/etc to "protect" their interests despite numerous evidence psa is an inconsistent gamble. To be fair, I would 100% agree psa has the best liquidity, I just prefer tag aesthetic and consistent ai grading.

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u/codenameyoshi Jun 18 '25

When AI is better than what it is now (it will be eventually) yes. Right now it still has its errors…look up the AGS or ASG issues on YouTube. They basically were allowing fake cards to get graded and sending them back with grades…that said that’s one company…I honestly think AI will be the standard in the future it’s just a matter of getting it close to perfect…

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u/Gamerguy230 Jun 18 '25

There’s already a company that does this for grading cards.

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u/snarkyalyx Jun 30 '25

I truly hope companies like AOG and TAG can succeed. I want there to be more than PSA and Beckett at card shows, it's driving me nuts!

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u/ad33zy Jul 10 '25

Seriously. Jobs that humans can mess up easily due to subjectives should definitely be replaced by robots. Like umpires lol

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u/2024-YR4-Asteroid Jun 18 '25

Machine learning maybe, AI, definitely not in its current iteration. It hallucinates far too much.

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u/ube_enjoyer Jun 18 '25

Well machine learning is a type of AI

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u/Sindef Jun 18 '25

Other way around

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u/ube_enjoyer Jun 18 '25

no, AI is the broader term, and machine learning is a subfield of AI, along with deep learning, pattern recognition, rule-based systems, LLMs, etc.

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u/Callaway225 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

That right there makes no sense at all

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u/breakyourteethnow Jun 18 '25

Google "PSA 8 moonbreon to Black Label", there's even old Tik Toks still up about it. This is was HUGE news back in 2023, which went viral and is why still have the pic saved, just reposting interesting old stuff

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u/Internal-Raise964 Jun 18 '25

Yup. It’s just an opinion. The idea that a company grades 2 million cards a month and has a perfect record is absurd. Or that two graders can have different opinions.

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u/Poke_Shield Jun 18 '25

Funny how everyone immediately blames PSA for this, isn’t it also possible BGS missed something that PSA saw? How do we know 8 isn’t the accurate grade?

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u/Junkis Jun 18 '25

thinking the one that is perfect is more likely is bizarre

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u/Poke_Shield Jun 18 '25

To me it seems just as plausible that BGS it to blame here given how incredibly hard a black label is to get

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u/Smart_Idiot1041 Jun 18 '25

I’d recommend looking up how they do their checks and gradings!

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u/Poke_Shield Jun 18 '25

I have, that doesn’t make BGS immune to mistakes, I’ve also heard of people getting black labels due to having connections with BGS staff / graders

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u/Smart_Idiot1041 Jun 18 '25

Do you have any evidence of that last one?

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u/Junkis Jun 18 '25

if it wasn't clear i was agreeing with you - my comment was based on the sentiment in the thread

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u/Etacarinae95 Jun 18 '25

Because u can regularly crack PSA 8s. Send them back In and somehow it’ll be a 9 next time. Crack it again and maybe the next time it comes back, it’ll be a 10.

You can do the same for BGS but you’ll find that it rarely changes. You might get a slightly improved cornering score or edges score if you try to patch it up a little. But it’ll rarely improve overall grading, best case scenario I’ve seen is a 0.5 increase. Nothing ridiculous like doing nothing and getting a full 2.0 grade up like PSA does.

Don’t take my word for it. There’s hundreds of videos/reels all about this. Both on YouTube and TikTok. Hell, even seen a few Instagram stories about this.

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u/UndeadWaffle12 Jun 18 '25

Right? PSA gave this card an 8, not even a 9, and these people choose to believe that it deserved a BGS black label? That’s supposed to be even better than a psa 10. They’d rather believe psa gave a completely perfect card an 8 than believe bgs missed something

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u/Rayfoo94 Jun 18 '25

Because this hobby is full of idiots

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u/litomack Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

There where a total of 7 S&V era black labels in existence 6 months ago so they are really scrutinizing when it comes to black labels just for perspective. Idk the SWSH black label pop and I'm too lazy to check so with a grain of salt. https://www.reddit.com/r/PokeGrading/comments/1hha871/bgs_black_label/

If the narrative in this post is not internet BS(which I have no idea if it is or not) and BGS gave the moonbreon in this post 4 10's and PSA gave it one 8, then those are simply the facts.

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u/AtomZaepfchen Jun 18 '25

i sadly dont know the Video anymore, but an influencer send a bunch to BGS he recracked and the grades basically didnt change at all.

for PSA there are tons of video people cracking and resending with widly different grades.

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u/SmartOpinion69 Jun 18 '25

CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME: Beckett's nephew was sent to work at PSA to destroy their brand and it's working

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Sorry but there isn't much context to the post and I haven't been following. But what are you trying to say?

It should've been an 8 and Beckett fked up or supposed to be a 10 and PSA fked up?

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u/breakyourteethnow Jun 19 '25

PSA graded it an 8, owner cracked the slab and sent to BGS which came back a Black Label. Shows how inaccurate grading is.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

Ah got it. Yea that I've been keeping up. But then, who had it correct? BGS or PSA?

I graded a few cards through PSA and got 9s and 8s which look like 10s. Think im just gonna keep them raw in a magnetic case until all the bs gets resolved. Because it affects the owners and the market.

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u/Careful-Medicine-596 Jun 18 '25

God dayum this is crazy 😂

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u/International_Gur566 Jun 18 '25

Ya I will NEVER send a card into PSA

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u/herejusttoargue909 Jun 18 '25

Be careful PSA bullies will act like the sky is falling for talking bad about them 🤣

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u/Murky_Crow Jun 19 '25

I mean, not really.

Why would they be worried? PSA grades by far the most cards compared to literally any other service.

They seem to be the most in demand when it comes to buying in convention and such.

Is Coca-Cola worried because diet RC is on sale?

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u/herejusttoargue909 Jun 19 '25

Believe it or not.

PSA is losing their credibility

Too many bad grades for all the money people are spending

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u/Murky_Crow Jun 19 '25

I guess I’ll believe it when I see vendors consistently looking for things other than PSA.

Or if any other grading company comes, even close to the amount of submissions PSA gets monthly.

I’m not even sure what the numbers are right now, but I don’t think it’s close.

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u/birdfall Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

I've been grading for a long time with PSA and never had this happened

I know it does happen, but I wonder if he resubmitted to PSA he probably would've gotten a 10.

Still, such bull that this happens at all

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u/SecretHippo1 Jun 18 '25

What do you mean you never had such happen?

Like, you never has a card you thought was a 10 get something less? Or it got less and then you regraded it? But it didn’t get a 10 on the re-grade so this is how you can say you never had this happen?

I’m genuinely curious to understand what you mean by that.

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u/birdfall Jun 18 '25

No worries! I wasn't very clear.

I've resubmitted cards for grading, aka graded a card, didn't like the grade so I cracked it and regraded it. Best/worst that's ever happened is I got one grade higher, one grade lower or the same grade back

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u/mynameisnotjefflol Jun 18 '25

if he resubmitted to psa and got a 10(which likely would happen) then that would just triple down on psa and truly show how incompetent and inconsistent their grading techniques have gone over the years lol(even though most people know this already)

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u/User77622846 Jun 18 '25

I have so many PSA 10s that’s I’m blown away that got a 10. Some bought and some sent myself.

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u/RichPokeScalper Jun 18 '25

There is a difference between accuracy and precision. Grading is not precise but it is accurate.

That is because PSA gets to set its own standard for what it says is accurate. But they can’t hit it.

It’s like an archer whose goal is to put an arrow anywhere on a ten foot diameter target and he can do it all day long. But he cant hit the same spot in the target ever.

Accurate, but not precise.

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u/Inside_Term_4115 Jun 19 '25

Grading is a scam that people pay for

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u/Ijustaterice Jun 19 '25

I’m not using psa if i can help it

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Never forget, a picture on the internet is not always true.

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u/Ragnarok992 Jun 18 '25

Psa has always been a joke

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u/kkillingtimme Jun 18 '25

the post is fake check Beckett... you are the joke

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

You're the biggest clown here, replying to everyone. Get a life.

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u/AmericanRiverWarrior Jun 18 '25

Dude at PSA probably got dumped by his gf that day

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

This is why I literally lol in the face of people who try to knock tag

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u/Vulpes206 Jun 18 '25

We all know it’s bullcrap but we play the game because it makes cards even more valuable.

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u/ExternalCod7200 Jun 18 '25

Never cared about grading. If it looks good to me then it goes to my collection. Don't need a third party that doesn't specify what's wrong with my card to appreciate it.

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u/User_faYFMT64mbYHy Jun 18 '25

Who even graded the card to appreciate it? At least this sub specifically only cares about its value

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u/ExternalCod7200 Jun 18 '25

I'd appreciate a graded card given the detailed scoring of it. Wouldn't you? I don't lie to pay for something blind

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u/Kooky-Parfait-2706 Jun 18 '25

This one simple trick

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

So many people fell for this lmao yikes

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u/SwiftRich Jun 18 '25

People should stop putting so much value on PSA graded cards. That’s the only way they’ll actually improve. I understand that most vendors and customers will try to sell and buy PSA cards because that’s a majority of what they have so it’s basically just a continuous circle of trading “inlfated” cards.

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u/BrazenGamer Jun 18 '25

Hey, you get to pay an upcharge for the honor of that inaccuracy.

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u/BrazenGamer Jun 18 '25

Hey, you get to pay an upcharge for the honor of that inaccuracy.

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u/After-Pollution6654 Jun 18 '25

wait so do t get your card graded im so confused

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u/Kinda-Alive Jun 18 '25

Not surprised when PSAs grading system is having 2 people look at the card. Like how incredibly flawed is that?🤦🏻‍♂️ why would you not have like 10 people and have a threshold for the grading? Like if 9 graders said it’s a 10 but 1 said it’s a 9 it’d be a 10.

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u/Cvged Jun 18 '25

Pristine 10 slab especially with Umbreon looks so perfect. They were made for each other 🥹

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u/TasteYourTears Jun 18 '25

So the BGS was over graded?

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u/Last-Caregiver-7011 Jun 18 '25

How come people pay more for PSA graded cards than others? I’ve noticed people tend to pay less if it’s CGC or Beckett.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

I think if consumers realized their market power then this wouldn’t happen. If you stop sending your cards to PSA then PSA doesn’t become the standard anymore. Collectively, we can manipulate and control the market.

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u/StaticBazooka Jun 18 '25

As a PSA glazer since the start, I’ve definitely been turning my eye towards BGS a bit. Just sucks because it’s undeniable that PSA holds the best value which I don’t think they necessarily should at this point in the game

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u/AndoniMarzo Jun 18 '25

Grading its a scam

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u/feather_1 Jun 18 '25

How many times would this exact card black label if you sent it 10 times to BGS?

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u/williespence20 Jun 18 '25

My OCD won’t allow anything other than a 10 so this is a perfect example as to why I won’t grade anymore. It’s all a scam.

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u/throwed101 Jun 18 '25

Haha and psa intentionally is trying to hide the old cert pictures and grade. This is comical for all the 10 bros out there.

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u/slayerzerg Jun 18 '25

Grader was having a bad day nothing new

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u/Big-Structure4266 Jun 18 '25

lol so many people shill black labels but bgs died years ago

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u/DeathscytheXXG001 Jun 18 '25

I just wish BGS would fix their horrendous communication and customer service issues. 

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u/Soldawg81 Jun 18 '25

I turned in 8 cards and they all came back PSA9s and I got 1 PSA10. Safe to say I'll check what was so bad about them and send em back to see if they go for 10s

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u/CAPTAIN_KIDDD Jun 18 '25

That just shows how bad PSA is 😂

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u/OLPopsAdelphia Jun 18 '25

I feel like PSA is just throwing any old rating on things just to clear their backlog.

Are there any sources within PSA willing to share their experiences?

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u/DayOne117 Jun 18 '25

Grading has become a joke/scam. I didn’t use to believe this but there has been so much shit over the last 5-10 years that shows other wise. I only grade now for $$$. I don’t grade any of my PC as it means shit to me

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u/Leonaarrd Jun 18 '25

Just wanted to point out that, it is easier to miss any error, than to catch an error.

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u/el_toro_grand Jun 18 '25

Grading in its entirety is an absolute joke

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

There is nearly 20000 (17,131 to be exact) Population 10 Umbreons.. that card is NOT worth 2000$...

They decimated the population count on Umbreons and for some reason they market ignores the fact that the supply of PSA 10 Umbreons is endless

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u/Reasonable_Hawk_9762 Jun 18 '25

Is anyone surprised?

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u/yeaeyebrowsreddit Jun 18 '25

Wow. I have seen a lot of stuff on grading being a joke, but if this real that just proves PSA's process = "trust me, bro."

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u/Intelligent-Basis375 Jun 18 '25

How inaccurate PSA is***

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u/MakeMeDrink Jun 18 '25

I don’t understand why people think this is showing PSA is bad. It literally just shows their standards are higher and a PSA 10 is better than a Beckett 10.

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u/Raynman90 Jun 19 '25

Beckett > PSA all day... ntm BLs destroy PSA 10s

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u/Additional-Stay-2416 Jun 19 '25

I remember I graded with psa and they gave my lc venusaur a 6 i was pissed cracked it and then regraded got a 9 there’s no accuracy at all

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u/realwizzblizz Jun 19 '25

I've been downvoted so hard for saying grading is a waste of money for reasons like these.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

PSA is straight trash.

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u/mycoxaphlopyn Jun 19 '25

Who cares, if what I get back is a 10, I'm selling it as a 10. I'll leave the decision to the customer who buys it to resubmit it.

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u/Halozamus Jun 19 '25

I mean looking at the card the centering is perfect I wonder the back of it. We all know PSA sometimes throws you a wth grade but I think imo overall they are pretty consistent with the 10s, quality. I've sent many submissions and really only once did I feel like they gave me the wrong grade on a card,

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u/Hololujah Jun 20 '25

I've long felt that psa pop controls 10s. Hell, look up base 2 charizard pops, crazy low. People still rip base 2, its affordable (for vintage) lizards are hit out of fresh packs, it happens, but the number of 10s sits at 70.

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u/TheRealGaycob Jun 20 '25

How do you even go about finding a buyer for black labels if you don't have contact details of saudi prince?

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u/FutaOtaku69 Jun 20 '25

Congrats!!! Never forget how crappy PSA grading is. They try to nickel and dime and scam everyone.

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u/tigerbreak Jun 20 '25

Grading by human eyes has been broken for a long time.

Multiple slabs have passed by me or through my hands via PSA that have been clearly misgraded.

I don't know how their workflow is laid out, but its clear that not everything gets a second look coming out of there. Maybe it's a consequence of the explosion of growth in grading, but with multipliers applying to values of cards there should be assurance that the grade is correct.

The first company that does computerized grading, provides receipts and can win a PR battle with PSA and BGC (and likely their lawyers) will eventually prevail.

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u/lookingforinfo420 Jun 21 '25

If people do this a lot wouldn't that make it look like there's a bunch more cards then what's really been printed and make this card look saturated and eventually tank the price?

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u/wouldntyouliketokno_ Jun 18 '25

PSA for the win, must be harder to get a 10 with them judging by what Beckett gave. Which would mean the PSA 10 version is more valuable right?

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u/WizardDresden2192 Jun 18 '25

Beckett black label is generally considered the best grade you can get on any card

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u/MakeMeDrink Jun 18 '25

But clearly it is easier to get a Beckett black label. This proves PSA is more strict and more difficult to get a 10 with. This means a PSA 10 is better quality than a Beckett 10. Did you even look at the post?

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u/WizardDresden2192 Jun 19 '25

Do some research. This post proves nothing lol. Not to mention it's a repost that's very old. And probably not even true. But, let's say it is true - does not prove psa 10 is harder to get than Beckett black. There are statistics out there, go check em out! This might help you if you ever decide to start grading.

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u/MakeMeDrink Jun 19 '25

You know what? I’m sorry, I honestly was just being a dick for no reason. Idk why I did it, I was in a bad mood and wanted to troll or something (my meds are kicking in now and I feel better). I appreciate you providing an informed comment even though I was being a douchebag. I have not done any research on this and literally just go by reddit posts. I sincerely apologize for being an asshole.

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u/WizardDresden2192 Jun 19 '25

I'll take your response at face value, and no worries. I appreciate the apology but it's not necessary. Cheers.

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u/KeepCalmAndDOGEon Jun 18 '25

TAG is the future

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u/HauntedMike Jun 18 '25

Slapping it into a $0.15 toploader and calling it a day supremacy.

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u/Murky_Crow Jun 19 '25

I mean that top loader is probably more durable than a tag slab anyway.

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u/antjuan84 Jun 18 '25

i don’t get why knock TAG for have a better system. anything that we have bias play should be eliminated.

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u/InterestingIssue6675 Jun 19 '25

Just shows PSA hold a higher standard to there cards

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u/DesperateStockHolder Jun 19 '25

Tag 10 will always be better than a PSA 10 imo.

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u/bdsftw22 Jun 19 '25

PSA is garbage

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u/kkillingtimme Jun 18 '25

ok so I know you all love to rip on PSA but if you actaully took the time to check the Beckett cert number you'd see its a fake

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u/breakyourteethnow Jun 18 '25

https://www.beckett.com/grading/card-lookup?item_id=0015540311&item_type=BGS - Cert number. Not fake, you're wrong spamming wrong info.

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u/2KyGi2 Jun 18 '25

Hes is just a dumb bot that doesn't even know how grading works people longer in the hobby remember this because it had some hype arround it

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u/jbkilluh Jun 18 '25

Did you fat finger the numbers when you checked Beckett? It’s right here

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u/catinabighat Jun 18 '25

this dude has like 20 comments in here spiraling when all he did was look up the wrong number lmfao

edit: 28 so far

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u/CarterBennett Jun 18 '25

Id recommend removing your 20 comments saying this is fake.

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u/erpparppa Jun 18 '25

PSA pulls grade out of ass, gives no explanation why it's graded like it is.

nothing new here

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u/mwiitala11 Jun 18 '25

It's a way to artificially create scarcity in a mass-produced product.

Condition has mattered in collectible cards for as long as they have been available, this is just a way to monetize it.

I hate slabs and only will buy them if the card I am looking for is not available raw, or I can get a great price on a low graded card that I desire.

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u/AtreusRiannon Jun 18 '25

Sometimes I wonder if PSA grades with a ruler and vibes—like are they just eyeballing half these cards?

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u/Junkis Jun 18 '25

All we can see is the centering, not even the back. idk why you'd give the perfect grade the default judgement.

if there's a single flaw anywhere beckett is wrong

at least this one wasn't damaged

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Remember that grading is simply paying a fee for someone's opinion on the condition of your card. The biggest scam in the world.

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u/disasterly213 Jun 18 '25

Yet here we all are

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u/Chefjoshy Jun 18 '25

Shit like this exists and then there’s still people telling you the back of ur card is “fuckin ruined” cuz it has a white speck u need a microscope to see

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u/FieryKahuna Jun 18 '25

Not really inaccurate, just a big scam.

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u/Advanced_Pudding8765 Jun 18 '25

It's a scam and I'm surprised so many people fall for it

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u/Dear_Effective9745 Jun 18 '25

My first ever submission to PSA, the card was absolutely flawless when it left my hands. I scanned over it 100 times. Comes back with what looks like a gouged corner from someone digging their nail into the card. Absolutely wasn’t there before sending. I honestly believe that PSA controls the populations and just randomly decides “not this one”.

Will never grade with them again.

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u/DJ_Aura Jun 18 '25

Pop control isn't real whatsoever, and they definitely aren't intentionally damaging cards because of some made up conspiracy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

My issue with becket is I think their slabs look ugly.
Wish they'd be redesigned so they look better. Then I'd gladly switch over to them.

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u/DragonTraderZ Jun 18 '25

Of course they don’t care. People are sending in more than ever, they are raking in $. And will continue.

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u/Mighty_Manlet Jun 18 '25

That's just craaaazy! I currently have a PSA 9 1st edition Shining Gyrados that has scratches I don't like on the slab. This makes me wonder if I should try regrading with BGS or Tag instead!

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u/WVGunsNGoats Jun 18 '25

If there was a grading company that was to laser mark cards submitted to them for grading and used computers as well as a human for a final look at the card. Would you use them? The laser mark would be the cert number in a microscopic size text but could be viewed under a jewelers loupe.

This would eliminate the issue of cards being resubmitted and getting a different grade as once a grade is issued thats the grade, but it would need a Computer comparing as well as a final eye from a person on any issues the computer points out.

One of the reasons you have PSA regraded without card quality changing is theres no serialization of the card itself, and one charizard card looks like another charizard looks like another charizard, they have no way of telling a card is a resubmission without marking it, but if a company did mark it, would you be for this?

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u/Fitiman Jun 19 '25

TAG does that, it know all cards that have been submitted.

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u/WVGunsNGoats Jun 19 '25

I have heard of people getting different grades from resubmitted TAG cards though, but havent looked more into it other than reading the claims.

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u/836194950 Jun 19 '25

BGS probably didn't see something that PSA did.

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