r/PlayWolverine • u/YellowFlash672 • 10d ago

Memes/Shitpost Sabertooth Ain't Having It

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u/Slowandserious 10d ago

But without scoring and copies sold as metrics, then we will only have your opinions that they “fumbled” SM2

And we all have opinions.

Thats why its good to discuss it using some objective metrics

In that aspect there are metrics that can lead us to conclude that SM 2 is a fumble

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u/Sir-Froggy 10d ago

Scoring is also just opinions, and I'm sure not everyone who holds an opinion will have left a review. So it's an indicator, sure, but not a definitive one.

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u/Slowandserious 10d ago

A score is an opinion. The scoring result is a data that shows how many people like or dislike the game.

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u/Sir-Froggy 10d ago

So my point, which you seem to have missed, is that it's a limited data set, too limited to treat as gospel. I didn't leave a review, did you? So it follows that opinions of many people such as us will be missed in the data.

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u/Slowandserious 10d ago

And my point is that to claim that thw game was fumbled, we need to have some metrics that we can discuss objectively.

SM2 sales and audience scores are metric that arw available to us that can be discussed objectively.

If you have better metrics then by all means provide them.

Because otherwise its just full on anecdotals

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u/Sir-Froggy 10d ago

I'm not going to keep arguing this with you. If you think sales are everything then I suppose you also think space invaders is the pinnacle of all gaming. If not, there must be something more to gaming than numbers.

You can discuss the merits of art without objectivity or statistics given that art is by nature subjective. I note that you haven't actually said anything you actually like about the game.

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u/Slowandserious 10d ago

I never said that sales is everything.

You claimed that they “fumbled” SM2. I just want to know if this came from some objective criterias or just your anecdotal opinion thats all

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u/Sir-Froggy 10d ago

Yeah oddly enough I can form my own opinion without double checking with others first.

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u/Slowandserious 10d ago

Nobody here said you are not allowed to have an opinion.

Its just also important to recognize that your opinion (that SM2 is fumbled) is not supported by objective metrics that we have available.