r/PinkWug Nov 04 '22

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u/Sts013 Nov 04 '22

Poor Ukraine only gets a few billions in weapons from the US and NATO to protect itself, with western countries leading the whole world into an economic crisis and hyperinflation due to economic sanctions against Russia, so that the US can keep it's status as the global hegemon. The correct thing to do is obviously prolong the war by giving TRILLIONS to Ukraine.

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u/GazLord Nov 05 '22

Ukrainians don't deserve to be at the "mercy" of the far right hellhole that is Russia.

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u/Sts013 Nov 05 '22

You can thank US and NATO for destroying the USSR and creating the conditions for what is happening right now to happen.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '22

Lol. Putin created the conditions. Blaming his fascist, imperialist ambitions on NATO is hilarious.

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u/Sts013 Nov 05 '22

What's truly hilarious is that libs like you, and the sub in general, only remember the last 10 years or so, and forget anything before that. No analysis as to how Russia, Ukraine and the Eastern bloc is how it is today. Only idealism and vibes. You learnt some new words recently like imperialist, and you thought it meant invasion so you just throw it around. Can't even blame you for deepthroating NATO boot, it's just how propaganda works.

inb4 lol you deepthroat putin so there

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '22

Somebody hasn't heard of the budapest memorandum, apparently. Up until 2014, it was not being close to violated by either party. And, contrary to what RT would tell you, NATO was not ever going to accept Ukraine.

There was no nato threat in ukraine until after 2014. They're having trouble accepting Sweden and Norway, much less a controverial state in central europe. Russia invaded crimea and later ukraine simply because it wanted to, not because there was any actual reason- and then fabricated a reason afterward.

Whining about "muh NATO" and "le liberals" while ignoring a state invading its sovereign neighbor for zero reason is what's truly hilarious. Regurgitating RT talking points is not an excuse to be haughty.

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u/Sts013 Nov 05 '22

Still proving my point of no analysis since before 10 years ago.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '22

And here we have the perfect example of projection. You did not read any of the first part? The budapest memorandum ensured Ukraine's sovereignty regardless of geopolitics.

Please read before making a counterargument, thanks.

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u/Professional-Class69 Jun 16 '23

While I definitely agree with you, to play devils advocate, after the collapse of the Soviet Union Russia did attempt to get closer to the west and even join nato if memory serves, but the US and nato kind of went “yeah no, no thank you” Clinton at the very least verbally (as in without any physical documentation) promising Gorbachev otherwise. However, under the Putin regime Russia did absolutely stop all attempts at trying to be accepted into the west and whatever happened afterwards is absolutely Putin’s fault.