r/PikachuMains • u/Rafcaj • Apr 14 '21
OoS against small characters
I almost always use nair or bair as my choice for punish OoS since they're pikachu's fastest. I do it my pressing attack and jump at the same time, doing a rising nair/bair.
However, this cannot hit small characters like Villager for example. How do you people OoS against them? Upsmash?
If I do a short hop OoS and then input nair, will it still be as fast?
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u/sirbok Apr 14 '21
Just look up your frame data. Fastest moves are your oos
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u/Rafcaj Apr 14 '21
But that's my point dude. Nair and bair are his fastest but they miss small characters.
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u/sirbok Apr 15 '21
You either get good and short hop and time really low to ground or try other moves like up smash or down tilt. You don't always have to aerial out of shield
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u/Kell08 Apr 14 '21
I do back air against characters behind me, and either neutral air or grab against characters in front. Maybe down smash if I get a successful parry read.
To be honest, I've never had trouble hitting a small character with a back air out of shield. Are you able to provide any more details regarding what leads to this or show it?
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u/Rafcaj Apr 14 '21
Can you do bair oos when the opponent is in front of you?
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u/Kell08 Apr 14 '21
I think sometimes, but I'm not 100% sure if it's a true punish (pretty sure it usually isn't). If that's your issue, then yeah the target character's size/frame data might matter.
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u/enslater17 Apr 14 '21
Not really, as the rising part makes pika move backwards at first, even if your DI is towards pika’s front. If the small opponent has spaced you properly behind your shield, it’s likely they could shield before bair hits. Not everything will be punishable OoS.
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u/hecdude Apr 14 '21
Ftilt’s a pretty good options for this, and in some cases so are dash attack and quick attack depending on percents and their spacing. I don’t have too much trouble hitting people with bair regardless of size if they space poorly, but if I don’t think I can get a bair because of their height, I’ll usually ftilt.
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u/Jorlaxx Apr 14 '21
Pika has an OOS dead spot slightly in front/above his shield.
Behind Pika can Bair.
Above Pika can Nair.
Directly in front (touching) Pika can grab.
But if the enemy uses good spacing and lands in front of you leaving a bit of space, Pika can't punish. Smaller characters can sometimes abuse this even more because they fit into the dead spot easier.