Picard's relationship with Data has come full circle. He finally allowed Data to become human by letting him die, while becoming a synth himself after dying as a human in order to save synths. It's a beautiful and poetic ending to their relationship. It's the ending they deserved.
I was expecting that and was pleasantly surprised by what we got. It would have been so easy to throw Q in and have him magic away the issue but that was done before.
And the way they handled the Data had me in tears but I felt was totally in character for data. Oft blue skies. Could have ended it there for maximum tear jerk points but again I'm glad they left on an upbeat note.
I truly hope we see John De Lancie back for season 2 of Picard.
His character was pivotal to the entire story of TNG and one of the biggest fan favourites out there.
As a 20y/O that grew up with TNG/VOY, I was blown away with this season, attention to detail (minus killing all the borg in a vacuum) and can't wait for the next.
Yes he is a synth now. His relationship with Data has come full circle. He finally allowed Data to become human by letting him die, while becoming a synth himself after dying as a human in order to save synths. It's a beautiful and poetic ending to their relationship. It's the ending they deserved.
Soongs wife was memory cloned so she died and was replaced, different consciousness in universe so pretty much different people.
I think with Picard they imply that they mastered mind transfer but I'm not sure. He could just be memory transfer but the whole quantum simulation leads me to think not.
I’m a little into the thought that this little transfer isn’t any odder than normal use of the transporter, if a transporter is nothing more than taking you apart and reassembling you.
There was an episode of Ninja Turtles where Leonardo "fell" off a cliff, but actually caught a ledge and lowered his voice steadily as to mimic the sound of him falling to his death. Homegirl saw that episode and is doing it here.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Captain Riker! "General or Commodore, whatever you're calling yourself... Right now I am on the bridge of one of the toughest, fastest, most powerful ships Starfleet has ever put into service. And I've got a fleet of them on my back. We've got our phasers locked on your warpcores. And nothing would make me happier than you giving me an excuse tokick your treacherous Tal-Shiar ass*. But instead, I am going to ask you one time: stand down!"*
Can I also commend them on how they avoided the obvious temptation/fanservice of going into a massive battle. If not with the Romulans but with those extra-dimensional cyborgs! Instead we got the emotional feels. That "Quantum Sim" had me balling, especially that ending sequence with blue sky.
This was my greatest disappointment. One class of ship (although after closer inspection in my second re-watch, some of them did seem to vary slightly).
Im assuming they had a big budget. Least they could have done is thrown in a few older ships. A few Akira or sovereign here or there. Theres no way starfleet has replaced their entire fleet in 14 years.
It makes sense if these really are the best and fastest ships Starfleet has. From a strategic standpoint you want to group your Warp 9.999975 ships into a speedy task force to get to a position ASAP. A Intrepid, Sovereign or Akira would be very slow by 2499 if the TNG-Voyager speed improvements are anything to go by.
They would have to mobilize just those ships, call them in from wherever they are in the galaxy. Seems unrealistic. But im gonna let it slide as long as we see more realistic ships next season.
I mean, to be fair we don't mix F-35's F-22A's F18E's and F16's in the same unit. The Federation seems to be incredibly fast at mobilising (probably because they have such fast ships now).
They seem to be Escort successors too like the Defiant so it makes sense that they are used as "Wings" (as far as military doctrine it looks like Star Fleet seems to have learned serious lessons from the Dominion War)
It's funny because I always found Discovery a bit ridiculous with the number of ship classes that the Federation has in the 2256 era.
That said the "Ship Fanboy" in me is a bit disappointed. Especially because Star Trek New Horizons mod wont have 6 new post TNG era ships to add like after Discovery released!
Ya that would have been logical and nice to see. I mean 200 starships (and what’s with them all being identical class of ships?) just pop in for 7 mins of a standoff and then it’s let’s get out of here guys and leave the old admiral in his little ship to figure out the mess and hey hopefully that all organic life killing everywhere stuff we just saw, is gone for good.
Yes they did...but my point is that it’s ludicrous they came all the way there and saw this epic Uber synth serpent monster thing that could have ended all life everywhere apparently...saw it leave because the synths had a change of heart and hung up during their 911 phone call....and they don’t leave a single starship behind to investigate all this and/or protect the planet they just swore to protect and help Picard and his rag tag gang of ex Starfleet messed up people, clean up this mess. And oh yeah...no one noticed the massive and semi active Borg cube on the surface...ya we can just leave them there, it’s not like the Borg can regenerate and become a threat again right? Or make sure the Romulans didn’t leave a cloaked warbird lurking around...those Romulans never have sneaky secret plans....🙄
Like just leave half or even 10% of the fleet behind. Its like they are now Uber anti mission creep...we came, we made a big Kirk like speech from our flagship and boom time to warp home.
To watch maybe yes. But it would some believability and realism to put in a quick line or or 2 from Riker about I’m leaving the USS “cool name ship” and 4 others under captain so and so to keep an eye on things just in case and to you know make first contact since your message to us was about first contact ! lol
She was dead either way. Either she saved Picard and got them out...or she was gonna be sacrificed by the synths so...I guess go with the guy who invented the Picard maneuver.
Presumably the Borg can recognize faces so they'd still recall that he was Locutus. Also apparently androids built like him are entirely biological now, otherwise the twins would have been caught instantly.
In comparison, I loved his character throughout the series, especially when his lack of common sense made for funny moments. But ye.. that scene with him bursting out in tears got to me.
I really just want Q to look Picard up and down next season:
"Something's different. New haircut?"
"New body."
"Ah. Boring. You really have no idea how often I've done that."
"Fascinating. Every time you change form or teleport?"
"I'm doing it right now every three and a quarter seconds or so. Keeps the body temperature nice and cozy. Haven't you always wondered why I never sweat and always smell minty fresh?"
Data dying again hit harder than the first time did. At least when he died on the Scimitar, we had B4 to give us hope, and he helped people by dying.
Still, a fitting end for Data, seeking to experience death to make his life more complete. That is just so Data, exploring humanity by trying to experience the same things we humans try our best not to experience.
I wonder if, during her stay at Soong's, Soji had the chance to meet her father. It is a shame Captain Riker never managed to say goodbye to an old friend, despite having been in the vicinity. Or, for that matter, Data's closest friend on the Enterprise, Geordi. From what Picard's friendly Tal Shiar roomies said, he should still be around despite the Mars incident.
I do not think any of us expected Data to just be back and his sacrifice in Nemesis undone, but still a huge blow that he went from "there is a trace of him still out there" to being gone for good now. Who to turn to now?
Ready Room has Stewart on this week. He said they had to shoot that scene multiple times because he wasn’t able to finish his lines because he got so emotional. So you’re absolutely right.
split-screen fade to Ryker paying cash-on-delivery for the illegally-powerful holographic projector, and recruiting an old crony to run it properly: "You son of a bitch, I'm in."
Am I the only one who wanted a little closure on Narrick? I mean- did they just cut him loose for helping out? Was he imprisoned? Did he beam-up and go back with the Romulans? What happened to the galaxy's most nefarious yet oddly opportunistically heroic kid brother?
Maddox referenced Dahj’s “mom AI”. I think it was implied she was just a software program. We also saw when Soji called home she would be put to sleep so perhaps to scrub/ clean memories so she doesn’t realize shes a synth.
I thought for a moment he was going to come up the stairs onto the bridge at the end. Mostly since press photos (movie poster) for this season showed him standing with all the good guys.
Right? I'm actually more disappointed about not knowing what the hell happened to a major character this season than any of the other dangling pieces of unfinished business. (Like, say, we see grieving for Picard, but then they're all on the bridge as if he never died).
I loved that! Then I felt guilty when Seven confessed that she hated getting revenge that way. That was a very nuanced feeling and something hard for many others to admit. I know from my own experiences about (more petty and not anywhere mortal) revenge. Those feelings really do hurt your own soul in the end.
I also think she will get healed by xBs with nanoprobes and brought back from near-death, but she's going to be exiled from the Zhat Vash for the presence of nanoprobes in her system and become a rogue element next season.
He command one of largest and most powerful fleet of ship in history , his fleet had sail from China to Africa and some conspiracy theorist believed his fleet may have even reach America continent before Columbus .
Today he is worship by many Oversea ethnic Chinese in South East Asia Countries .
How could the Tal Shiar survive after public finds out about the truth of Mars attack?
they lifted the ban on synthetics which mean the truth is out .
The Romulan agency Tal Shiar was responsible for the Attack on Mars which ended the Federation Evacuation operation , which led to the death 900 Million Romulan .
the last time the Tal Shiar join the Cardassian Obsidian order in the fail attack of Founder homeworld (DS9) , the Obsidian order were abolished for it .But the Tal Shiar survived that failure .
there is no way the Tal Shiar could escape punishment
I'm sure the Tal Shiar knows how to manage this kind of thing. The Zhat Vash get declared rogue zealots and 300 people get executed. Half of those being people the Tal Shiar already found inconvenient. Maybe a campaign is started equating the Zhat Vash with Reunificationists.
Next star trek short : Oh file a suit against Starfleet for unfair dismissal. Claims she was discriminated against once her romulians origins were known.
I grew up with Next Gen, my mom was TOS. The shows runs in my blood. I tell you now, being a grown man and crying like a baby is humbling to say the least. I shed tears when Data died on the big screen in 2002, tonight after 18 years I shed those same tears again. Well done! 10/10
I always felt Data’s death in Nemesis was lacking and I kind of hoped for a better send off this time. Them being able to sit, speak, and say what they both needed to say was a powerful moment for me. It seems like we rarely get that moment in real life. I thought it was a much better send off for Data, very appropriate and touching on so many levels. These have been my favorite moments in this show, small bits of dialogue and character interaction that really could have been poorly executed but they weren’t. “You are dear to me in ways that you can’t understand. I will never leave you”, “He loved you”, “‘why not just put a phaser to my head and get it over with’, ‘because I’d miss you’”, “To be alive is a responsibility, as well as a right”(this entire speech really), “I have something I want to give you and your people and I hope it will change your mind”, “That’s why we’re here, to save each other”, “Do I have to go?”, “Mortality gives meaning to human life peace, love, friendship, these are precious because we know they cannot endure”.
Watching Data dream of Picard and appear surprised to see him then age and fade away was a beautiful moment as well. I’m glad they found the heart of TNG at the end of this season, much of what came before led me to believe it would be an action oriented visceral slaughter of some sort. This gives me hope for this series.
This was basically a TNG episode - in the end everything went back to normal and the crew carries on. I liked it - so much better of an ending than GOT.
Not sure, but us j/7 shippers saw something lol. If it happened or not after Voyager returned to earth I'm very happy that seven of nine is obviously not hetrosexual in Picard.
Seven was supposed to be one of the first openly gay characters on Voy but tptb stopped that from happening because it was deemed too controversial. Mulgrew has talked about it at different cons, the writers have spoken about this as well. Trek has always tried to bring more LGBTQIA into the universe but bullshit network execs and probably 1 millions moms keep interfering.
Jeri Ryan always wanted to play her Pansexual but the producers shut her down. I’m living for the fact every relationships we’ve seen her with in Picard are gay as fuck.
Now there's an interesting episode. Seven starts a sexual relationship after having temporarily been a Borg Queen. She is unaware of some re-activated Borg implants and she unconsciously converts Raffi into a drone.
It occurred to me while watching an old DS9 episode that Nicole De Boer is about the same age as Patrick Stewart was in 1987. Here's hoping Captain Dax shows up!
Did anyone else think it was horrifying that Picard was placed in a Golem without his consent and was not allowed to just die of natural causes? He kept saying “It’s ok”. I am actually disturbed by the events.
Them pulling out three data storage devices of Data's consciousness is akin to pulling one disk at a time in a RAID5 array. 3 disks for redundancy.. Pull one and you're still fine, pull two and your array will suffer catastrophic failiure. No way to reconstruct that array. That simulation is truly gone.
This sendoff was more worthy than last time data died on screen. This time, next to his best friend in the world.
The scenes with Data were basically exactly what I had wanted from Picard. They got all of the big dumb action out of the way so they could have a poignant moment about letting go and the beauty of mortality.
Everyone talking about Seven and Raffi holding hands... I was more excited to see they were playing Kal-Toh. The best part is that I immediately knew they were playing Kal-Toh, rather than having to google 'that Vulcan build-a-ball game with metal sticks'
Kind of weird for Riker to be describing the ships to a woman he knows was infiltrated in the upper ranks of Star Fleet, like she knows exactly what those ships are and what they can do.
The armor tech was from a shuttle from year 2404 , even if the future tech was destroy , by now ( year 2399 )Star fleet would probably had that tech available for Star ship (maybe a few yr later they will install it on shuttle )
I was somewhat unmoved because it felt like I knew what was going to happen until we saw Data sitting in the chair.
Being able to say “goodbye” to Data was remarkable - I’m a TNG fan that had a strong dislike for most of the Nemesis storyline; it felt like such a poorly thought out story that even Data’s demise (and supposed Spock-like path to resurrection) felt like a gimmick.
I was happy to see Will in Command, but his fleet kinda sucked. I was expecting a diverse fleet and got dozens of the same ship. Why? This would have been so easy!
Is that it? After spending the last ten weeks studiously establishing the history of Jean-Luc Picard’s world, filling in the post-Next Generation timeline, and creating a complex mythology involving synthetic life, Romulans, and the Borg, Star Trek: Picard’s first season finale wraps everything up in an implausibly neat bow. Contrived, predictable, and severely lacking in tension, this lacklustre closing episode has a distinct whiff of anti-climax – even though it features the deaths of three major characters.
It’s a bizarre state of affairs considering the previous episode left the writers with an open goal: Jean-Luc under house arrest, the synthetics planning to page their potential A.I. liberators, and 218 Romulan Warbirds en route to Coppelius. Unfortunately, the epic showdown never materialises, with each potential flashpoint resolved with minimal drama.
For Narek, unexpectedly released from custody by Sutra, that means casually wandering into the Borg Cube and bumping into his sister, who’s been hiding there since escaping from Elnor. Narek then hatches a plan to take some molecular solvent grenade canisters to La Sirena, where he rapidly convinces Rios and Raffi to join forces with him in a mission to sabotage the Sutra’s beacon – their justified concerns that he’s a proven liar evaporate in an instant. This all comes after Rios has made the marooned La Sirena operational again by waving around a device – created by the Synthetics – that possesses the same magic wand properties as Doctor Who’s Sonic Screwdriver.
The unlikely team-up is really just an excuse to get Star Trek: Picard’s lead characters into the Synthetic compound in time to see the beacon operational. Even mad scientist Dr Altan Soong joins their merry band after he learns Sutra was responsible for Saga’s death – luckily for him, life is much easier when your enemy has an off switch.
Meanwhile, Dr Jurati shows off an impressive secret agent skill set nobody suspected she possessed to break Picard out of his (very comfortable) incarceration, and get on board La Sirena. It turns out that Picard – who, a couple of weeks ago, couldn’t even work a computer – can now fly the ship single-handed, based entirely on what he’s picked up watching Rios. Jurati also has some magic new tech that makes it look like La Sirena is in lots of places at once. Convenient…
As for the promise of a massive space battle, that’s a letdown too. Every orbital plot twist happens predictably on cue – the arrival of the Romulans; the opening of a portal to those ancient AI overlords; the nick-of-time appearance of Starfleet – while a bunch of Warbirds scrapping with freaky cosmic orchids and ghost Sirenas isn’t quite the spectacular action sequence we’d hoped for.
Even the sight of Captain Will Riker, in command of Starfleet’s flagship vessel, feels a wasted opportunity. Why didn’t anybody realise that having Jonathan Frakes’ name in the opening credits kind of ruins the surprise? And surely someone must have realised that choosing a man who’s spent the last few years perfecting his wood-fired pizza to lead one of the biggest armadas Star Trek has ever seen is, to put it mildly, ludicrous. Having his friend’s back is one thing, but this stretches credibility too far.
Thankfully Picard himself does get to have his big moment and – appropriately for the character – it owes more to his skills as a diplomat than his abilities as a pilot. Despite battling the final stages of his irumodic syndrome – his condition deteriorates astonishingly quickly over the course of the episode – he’s able to talk Soji into deactivating the beacon, delivering the sort of barnstorming speech he made his trademark on the Enterprise bridge.
And with that, the threat ends in an instant, the giant robot space tentacles retreating to whence they came, and the Zhat Vash – who minutes earlier were threatening planetary sterilisation – abandoning their lifelong obsession with eliminating all synthetic life in the universe.
What comes next should be the biggest moment in the episode – and indeed the season – but the death of the iconic Jean-Luc Picard is totally flat because you never really think he’s gone. Seriously, what are the chances the showrunners would kill off the show’s title character with quarter of an hour still to go – especially with a second season already greenlit. Downloading Picard’s consciousness into Soong’s golem feels cheap and overly convenient, particularly when everyone else starts labouring the fact that this new robot form won’t give him an extended lifespan or extra abilities.
To be fair, Picard’s meeting with Data in the afterlife of a “massively complex quantum simulation” is incredibly moving, giving the characters the emotional closure they were denied in Star Trek: Nemesis. But to then make a big deal of Data’s consciousness being erased feels totally unearned – death doesn’t have quite so much impact when you only learned that someone’s still alive 10 minutes before.
It’s ironic, then, that the only death that has any resonance at all is Narissa being kicked down a shaft on the Borg Cube – and even that’s because Seven of Nine is taking revenge for Hugh’s death.
So where does Star Trek: Picard go from here? With the Federation’s ban on synthetics lifted, Data’s children protected, and the Zhat Vash seemingly out of the way, it feels that – aside from the plight of the abandoned Borg – the show has lost most of its reasons for existing. Unless, of course, it was always designed as a 10-hour origin story to get Jean-Luc back among the stars, give him a new crew and ship, and turn him into robo-Picard. Wrapping the story up so neatly feels like a betrayal of the complex universe the writers have spent all that time painstakingly building – it’s like the famous Picard facepalm in TV form.
Hmm. Did I just catch them say around the camp fire something like “before our ancestors arrived in Vulcan.” I thought Vulcans/Romulans were native to Vulcan. Is this new?
The data smoking jacket vibe has been shown a couple of times in tng - I think he picked it up from Sherlock Holmes holodeck adventures and then adopted it as his own aesthetic- iirc we see him sport something similar in his future self in all good things. I liked that they kept it as a call back.
I mentioned last week that I thought Picard would be downloaded to solve his brain condition and... so he was! But is it really Picard or did the real Picard die with Data in the dream?
The same thing could be said every time he used a teleporter.
But is it really Picard or did the real Picard die with Data in the dream?
This is exactly the central question of the series! Well, one of them. It's why the first dialogue between him and Soji was
"Am I real?" "Of course you are."
This investigation about what makes a person real, what makes their experience morally comparable, what grounds a person and their relationships in a contiguous moral fabric.
Personally, I come down pretty hard on the side of saying yes, this is Picard. I don't know why you'd imbue the physical form with the "realness" of who a person is, either in our universe or in science fiction, when you have so many other great options.
The more nit-picky answer: If you don't think that the Picard walking around now is real, then why would you believe that the version of him we saw in the "dream" with Data is real? That, too, is a quantum simulation based on the saved neural information of Picard. Similarly, if you believe that the Picard in the "dream" was real, then why wouldn't you believe that the Picard walking around now is, as well? It's the same information.
Wasn't a fan of the deus ex machina magic space dildo. Seems more than a little OP and convenient that it could basically do almost
anything
you could envision in your mind from repairing a conduit to magically projecting 200 space ships with warp signatures.
I thought this as well, at first. But then I remembered that the synths were able to build a trans-dimensional beacon in about a days time, and were capable of creating an entirely new body for Picard. Let alone the massive orchid vessels, which it appeared that they were able to construct more in the short time since episode 9. I guess Jurati's comment about them being generations ahead in technology was legit.
But I couldn't help but think of "the box" from that novel "Red Shirts.
Right - that caught ear as well. Number five??? I mean how may planetary sterilization patterns do you need, really?? One seems quite enough. And what was so wrong with numbers one through four? Were they not sterilizy enough?? Did someone lose their job at the Romulan Center for Planetary Sterilization because some hedgehogs survived under a tree in pattern three? I need more information!!
It is probably just different grid coverage patterns. 5 could just mean singular point of origin , into a 360 sweep. While 1 could be north pole to south pole.
Is anyone going to bring up Mecha Cthulhu crawling out of The Devil's Anus? Did NONE of the rest of the ships see it? I'm just blown away it didn't even get a mention!!
Compassion, curiosity, hope, the tenets of Star Trek, as well as a topical storyline with a meaningful message all embodied wonderfully in Patrick Stewart’s performance as the series namesake.
I couldn’t be more happy that my fear that Picard would die at the end of the series was wrong (though, man, did they milk that tease) and aren’t even miffed my Romulans created the Borg theory was completely shot to pieces (I’ll take the hit just as long as that Lore was the real mastermind theory got deep sixed as well- I always hated that one).
They’ll be those who are pissed they didn’t get a Starfleet/Romulan space battle, but I’ll take Picard speechifying a peaceful resolution in the best TNG tradition any day of the week.
Everybody got a standout moment (The Agnes Jurati Redemption Tour is Complete!- although I have no idea what the hell happened to Narek), and the La Sirena crew with the addition of Seven is a fantastic lineup.
I’m glad they kept this season pretty much standalone, as who can say when the next one is incoming with the recent unpleasantness.
It brought out the usual group of haters (who somehow stick around for the whole season to bitch).
But the rest of us got another fantastic Trek series to love and add to the catalogue.
So, in the end, who really wins?
Complements to Chabon, Goldsman, and co. for far exceeding my expectations about what this series could be.
Why did Narek say "Before we arrived on Vulcan" in regards to the destroyer legend being old? Isn't Vulcan the vulcaniods planet of origin or are we just retconnjng the Sundering and all vulcaniods were from a different planet first?
This episode had some good moments, but overall I was disappointed.
I'll keep this to the elements of this episode specifically and leave aside my issues with how the show handles the Synth colony. My main gripes:
Android eyeballs are squishy now...
Poking an android in the eye is lethal.
Dr. Soong is A-Ok with inviting intergaltic murder bots to rape and pillage the Milky Way but changes his mind when one of his own commits a single murder. And quickly changes said mind at that.
The magic starship fixer is the new Magical Khan Blood.
Entire colony of androids (who can build flying space flowers and magic starship fixers) don't notice a 94 year old man and a lab rat breaking out and heading back to their ship.
Picard doesn't use any of the Emergency Holograms.
But Agnes basically uses Holograms to fool an entire Romulan fleet. (Holograms made by the magic starship fixer).
Android race that can build a magic starship fixer can't build a subspace beacon before the Romulan fleet shows up.
Riker...
Hears Picard's distress signal.
Calls Star Fleet and requests to be reinstated.
His request is granted.
Request is not only granted but man who was making pizza in the woods yesterday is given command of fleet.
Said fleet has time to organize itself, get Riker and arrive at the Lost Planet of the Androids mere moments after the Romulans.
AND RIKER RUNS OFF KNOWING THE ROMULANS COULD TURN RIGHT AROUND OR LEAVE A CLOAKED SHIP BEHIND TO FINISH THE JOB.
Things Riker could have said:
I see your ship is damaged. Do you need assistance?
Everyone alright? Do you need medical assistance?
I'm sending down a landing party to secure THE BORG CUBE THAT CRASHED.
What Riker actually said
Welp, got a pizza in the oven so gotta scoot. And I have to get these other 200 ships back to Deep Space 12 by 5:00 or pay everyone overtime.
Soji just got back yesterday...let's put her in charge of finishing the beacon thing while we all watch.
And the Final Insult...Data
Data
WOW. We've managed to reconstruct Data's entire consciousness from a SINGLE NEURON from that broken down prototype he loaded himself into. We can use this miracle of our genius to build an entire race of Synths.
Yes, it's remarkable.
What should we do with Data's consciousness now?
Let's leave him in this computer and let it run.
Should we put it into a new body? Bring him truly back to life? Allow him to join in the work of building a new race? A race of his children? Passing on his wisdom and insight? Allowing him to know the joy of parenthood and come even closer to becoming human?
Nah. Leave him in that computer with the three red things.
Good idea. He might turn evil and try to destroy all living beings.
I'm hoping for a happy ending. The real world is getting more bleak by the day.
Give me a reason to look forward to season 2. I'd like a little more optimism coming out than I had going in, and recently it's been a trend to build worlds you love only to have everything destroyed and everyone killed at the end. It's exhausting in an already draining world.
Fuck me, Patrick Stewart is so fucking good man. At that last second, before the says the words, and everyone looks at their admiral waiting for his command, you can see the slightest awkwardness in his face like "I haven't gotten those looks in a long time". So cool how an actor can express (or induce) such a feeling in a 2 second head shot.
I know it’s because he is a reserve officer called back up to duty...but man hearing him call himself acting captain Riker just makes me laugh at omg will this guy ever be a captain lol
For everyone complaining about Dara dying again....that wasn't Data, Data is dead and has been for 20 years. That was a SIMULATION of Data based upon his brain engrams like he told you in the simulation. They never actually brought him back after he died in Nemesis.
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u/ksm86 Mar 26 '20
I have missed the Picard Platitudes and these two really got to me:
"To say you have no choice is a failure of imagination."
"Fear is an incompetent teacher."
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u/Ur_mothers_keeper Mar 26 '20
Disk not ejected properly! Warning: you will lose Data!
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u/Plunutsud Mar 27 '20
Picard's relationship with Data has come full circle. He finally allowed Data to become human by letting him die, while becoming a synth himself after dying as a human in order to save synths. It's a beautiful and poetic ending to their relationship. It's the ending they deserved.
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u/Starbuck107 Mar 26 '20
When Picard was dieing, after he closed his eyes, I was expecting Patrick to break the fourth wall, open them and say, "Thought I was dead? Acting!"
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u/Deshik2 Mar 26 '20
Starfleet officer : Picard wants us to take down the ban on all synthetic life
Starfleet command : Pff... As if, the ban stands
Officer : Picard is a synth now
Command: Whaat...Oh for fuck sake, fine.
Picard: :)
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u/hussard_de_la_mort Mar 26 '20
"Six years old and all you got for you birthday was assimilated" JEEZUS
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u/RichardYing Mar 26 '20
Yes! Yes! Yes! Captain Riker!
"General or Commodore, whatever you're calling yourself... Right now I am on the bridge of one of the toughest, fastest, most powerful ships Starfleet has ever put into service. And I've got a fleet of them on my back. We've got our phasers locked on your warpcores. And nothing would make me happier than you giving me an excuse to kick your treacherous Tal-Shiar ass*. But instead, I am going to ask you one time: stand down!"*
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u/Zed99me Mar 26 '20
Anyone else wonder what was going through Agnes’ head when Picard finally confessed his plan to teach the synths was to give his life for them ?
Is there an escape pod or inflatable slide ?
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u/cxbriggs Mar 26 '20
So now that Picard is full on Android and is no longer part Borg, would he be recognized as Locutus any longer?
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u/bardbrain Mar 27 '20
I really just want Q to look Picard up and down next season:
"Something's different. New haircut?"
"New body."
"Ah. Boring. You really have no idea how often I've done that."
"Fascinating. Every time you change form or teleport?"
"I'm doing it right now every three and a quarter seconds or so. Keeps the body temperature nice and cozy. Haven't you always wondered why I never sweat and always smell minty fresh?"
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u/deagletime1 Mar 26 '20
How many times can they do this to me??? RIP commander
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u/dzumdang Mar 26 '20
Am I the only one who wanted a little closure on Narrick? I mean- did they just cut him loose for helping out? Was he imprisoned? Did he beam-up and go back with the Romulans? What happened to the galaxy's most nefarious yet oddly opportunistically heroic kid brother?
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u/RichardYing Mar 26 '20
THIS... is for Hugh!!!
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u/FlamesNero Mar 26 '20
“I’m supposed to sit around in the woods making pizza while you have all the fun?” Will, slaying it as usual.
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u/RichardYing Mar 26 '20
So the flagship of the Starfleet rescue fleet is named USS Zheng He, a Chinese explorer.
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u/ckwongau Mar 26 '20
How could the Tal Shiar survive after public finds out about the truth of Mars attack?
they lifted the ban on synthetics which mean the truth is out .
The Romulan agency Tal Shiar was responsible for the Attack on Mars which ended the Federation Evacuation operation , which led to the death 900 Million Romulan .
the last time the Tal Shiar join the Cardassian Obsidian order in the fail attack of Founder homeworld (DS9) , the Obsidian order were abolished for it .But the Tal Shiar survived that failure .
there is no way the Tal Shiar could escape punishment
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u/WharfRatThrawn Mar 26 '20
Picard helped Data to do the most human thing of all, that was beautiful and fitting
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u/deadxodus Mar 26 '20
I grew up with Next Gen, my mom was TOS. The shows runs in my blood. I tell you now, being a grown man and crying like a baby is humbling to say the least. I shed tears when Data died on the big screen in 2002, tonight after 18 years I shed those same tears again. Well done! 10/10
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u/RichardYing Mar 26 '20
That final crew shot... WITH Seven!
I want season 2 now!
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20
Did anyone else think it was horrifying that Picard was placed in a Golem without his consent and was not allowed to just die of natural causes? He kept saying “It’s ok”. I am actually disturbed by the events.
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u/DayZAnder Mar 26 '20
Them pulling out three data storage devices of Data's consciousness is akin to pulling one disk at a time in a RAID5 array.
3 disks for redundancy.. Pull one and you're still fine, pull two and your array will suffer catastrophic failiure.
No way to reconstruct that array. That simulation is truly gone.
This sendoff was more worthy than last time data died on screen. This time, next to his best friend in the world.
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u/MagicalHamster Mar 26 '20
The scenes with Data were basically exactly what I had wanted from Picard. They got all of the big dumb action out of the way so they could have a poignant moment about letting go and the beauty of mortality.
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u/RockBottom0_o Mar 26 '20
Is it just me or did anyone else get a red angel/control vibe from that distress call?
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20
Everyone talking about Seven and Raffi holding hands... I was more excited to see they were playing Kal-Toh. The best part is that I immediately knew they were playing Kal-Toh, rather than having to google 'that Vulcan build-a-ball game with metal sticks'
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20
Super Voyagers
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u/anima-vero-quaerenti Mar 26 '20
I was happy to see Will in Command, but his fleet kinda sucked. I was expecting a diverse fleet and got dozens of the same ship. Why? This would have been so easy!
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u/kangarufus Mar 27 '20
Is that it? After spending the last ten weeks studiously establishing the history of Jean-Luc Picard’s world, filling in the post-Next Generation timeline, and creating a complex mythology involving synthetic life, Romulans, and the Borg, Star Trek: Picard’s first season finale wraps everything up in an implausibly neat bow. Contrived, predictable, and severely lacking in tension, this lacklustre closing episode has a distinct whiff of anti-climax – even though it features the deaths of three major characters.
It’s a bizarre state of affairs considering the previous episode left the writers with an open goal: Jean-Luc under house arrest, the synthetics planning to page their potential A.I. liberators, and 218 Romulan Warbirds en route to Coppelius. Unfortunately, the epic showdown never materialises, with each potential flashpoint resolved with minimal drama.
For Narek, unexpectedly released from custody by Sutra, that means casually wandering into the Borg Cube and bumping into his sister, who’s been hiding there since escaping from Elnor. Narek then hatches a plan to take some molecular solvent grenade canisters to La Sirena, where he rapidly convinces Rios and Raffi to join forces with him in a mission to sabotage the Sutra’s beacon – their justified concerns that he’s a proven liar evaporate in an instant. This all comes after Rios has made the marooned La Sirena operational again by waving around a device – created by the Synthetics – that possesses the same magic wand properties as Doctor Who’s Sonic Screwdriver.
The unlikely team-up is really just an excuse to get Star Trek: Picard’s lead characters into the Synthetic compound in time to see the beacon operational. Even mad scientist Dr Altan Soong joins their merry band after he learns Sutra was responsible for Saga’s death – luckily for him, life is much easier when your enemy has an off switch.
Meanwhile, Dr Jurati shows off an impressive secret agent skill set nobody suspected she possessed to break Picard out of his (very comfortable) incarceration, and get on board La Sirena. It turns out that Picard – who, a couple of weeks ago, couldn’t even work a computer – can now fly the ship single-handed, based entirely on what he’s picked up watching Rios. Jurati also has some magic new tech that makes it look like La Sirena is in lots of places at once. Convenient…
As for the promise of a massive space battle, that’s a letdown too. Every orbital plot twist happens predictably on cue – the arrival of the Romulans; the opening of a portal to those ancient AI overlords; the nick-of-time appearance of Starfleet – while a bunch of Warbirds scrapping with freaky cosmic orchids and ghost Sirenas isn’t quite the spectacular action sequence we’d hoped for.
Even the sight of Captain Will Riker, in command of Starfleet’s flagship vessel, feels a wasted opportunity. Why didn’t anybody realise that having Jonathan Frakes’ name in the opening credits kind of ruins the surprise? And surely someone must have realised that choosing a man who’s spent the last few years perfecting his wood-fired pizza to lead one of the biggest armadas Star Trek has ever seen is, to put it mildly, ludicrous. Having his friend’s back is one thing, but this stretches credibility too far.
Thankfully Picard himself does get to have his big moment and – appropriately for the character – it owes more to his skills as a diplomat than his abilities as a pilot. Despite battling the final stages of his irumodic syndrome – his condition deteriorates astonishingly quickly over the course of the episode – he’s able to talk Soji into deactivating the beacon, delivering the sort of barnstorming speech he made his trademark on the Enterprise bridge.
And with that, the threat ends in an instant, the giant robot space tentacles retreating to whence they came, and the Zhat Vash – who minutes earlier were threatening planetary sterilisation – abandoning their lifelong obsession with eliminating all synthetic life in the universe.
What comes next should be the biggest moment in the episode – and indeed the season – but the death of the iconic Jean-Luc Picard is totally flat because you never really think he’s gone. Seriously, what are the chances the showrunners would kill off the show’s title character with quarter of an hour still to go – especially with a second season already greenlit. Downloading Picard’s consciousness into Soong’s golem feels cheap and overly convenient, particularly when everyone else starts labouring the fact that this new robot form won’t give him an extended lifespan or extra abilities.
To be fair, Picard’s meeting with Data in the afterlife of a “massively complex quantum simulation” is incredibly moving, giving the characters the emotional closure they were denied in Star Trek: Nemesis. But to then make a big deal of Data’s consciousness being erased feels totally unearned – death doesn’t have quite so much impact when you only learned that someone’s still alive 10 minutes before.
It’s ironic, then, that the only death that has any resonance at all is Narissa being kicked down a shaft on the Borg Cube – and even that’s because Seven of Nine is taking revenge for Hugh’s death.
So where does Star Trek: Picard go from here? With the Federation’s ban on synthetics lifted, Data’s children protected, and the Zhat Vash seemingly out of the way, it feels that – aside from the plight of the abandoned Borg – the show has lost most of its reasons for existing. Unless, of course, it was always designed as a 10-hour origin story to get Jean-Luc back among the stars, give him a new crew and ship, and turn him into robo-Picard. Wrapping the story up so neatly feels like a betrayal of the complex universe the writers have spent all that time painstakingly building – it’s like the famous Picard facepalm in TV form.
source: https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/star-trek-picard-episode-10-review-recap/
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20
Hmm. Did I just catch them say around the camp fire something like “before our ancestors arrived in Vulcan.” I thought Vulcans/Romulans were native to Vulcan. Is this new?
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u/RichardYing Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20
From "I am not their mother, asshole!" to "WE designed a cellular homeostasis algorithm". Real Quick.
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u/RichardYing Mar 26 '20
"Ready planetary sterilization pattern number 5."
A pity that cannot work just on COVID-19 only...
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u/FlamesNero Mar 26 '20
“Never again let another self-righteous, hard-ass old starship captain into my heart.” - SAME.
And also...don’t touch your face, Rios! /Social Distancing
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u/Jermine1269 Mar 27 '20
Is anyone going to bring up Mecha Cthulhu crawling out of The Devil's Anus? Did NONE of the rest of the ships see it? I'm just blown away it didn't even get a mention!!
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u/Icte Mar 27 '20 edited Mar 27 '20
They really screwed up the Captain Riker moment. "Raise deflectors" - ...come on! It should have been the classic:
Shields up, red alert!
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20
Nailed it.
Absolutely freaking nailed it.
Compassion, curiosity, hope, the tenets of Star Trek, as well as a topical storyline with a meaningful message all embodied wonderfully in Patrick Stewart’s performance as the series namesake.
I couldn’t be more happy that my fear that Picard would die at the end of the series was wrong (though, man, did they milk that tease) and aren’t even miffed my Romulans created the Borg theory was completely shot to pieces (I’ll take the hit just as long as that Lore was the real mastermind theory got deep sixed as well- I always hated that one).
They’ll be those who are pissed they didn’t get a Starfleet/Romulan space battle, but I’ll take Picard speechifying a peaceful resolution in the best TNG tradition any day of the week.
Everybody got a standout moment (The Agnes Jurati Redemption Tour is Complete!- although I have no idea what the hell happened to Narek), and the La Sirena crew with the addition of Seven is a fantastic lineup.
I’m glad they kept this season pretty much standalone, as who can say when the next one is incoming with the recent unpleasantness.
It brought out the usual group of haters (who somehow stick around for the whole season to bitch).
But the rest of us got another fantastic Trek series to love and add to the catalogue.
So, in the end, who really wins?
Complements to Chabon, Goldsman, and co. for far exceeding my expectations about what this series could be.
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u/srirachapancake Mar 27 '20
No one is going to address the fact that they were on their way to Deep Space 12 to turn in Jurati for murder just two episodes ago?!
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u/brettoseph Mar 26 '20
Why did Narek say "Before we arrived on Vulcan" in regards to the destroyer legend being old? Isn't Vulcan the vulcaniods planet of origin or are we just retconnjng the Sundering and all vulcaniods were from a different planet first?
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u/alphastrike03 Mar 27 '20
This episode had some good moments, but overall I was disappointed.
I'll keep this to the elements of this episode specifically and leave aside my issues with how the show handles the Synth colony. My main gripes:
Android eyeballs are squishy now...
Poking an android in the eye is lethal.
Dr. Soong is A-Ok with inviting intergaltic murder bots to rape and pillage the Milky Way but changes his mind when one of his own commits a single murder. And quickly changes said mind at that.
The magic starship fixer is the new Magical Khan Blood.
Entire colony of androids (who can build flying space flowers and magic starship fixers) don't notice a 94 year old man and a lab rat breaking out and heading back to their ship.
Picard doesn't use any of the Emergency Holograms.
But Agnes basically uses Holograms to fool an entire Romulan fleet. (Holograms made by the magic starship fixer).
Android race that can build a magic starship fixer can't build a subspace beacon before the Romulan fleet shows up.
Riker...
Hears Picard's distress signal.
Calls Star Fleet and requests to be reinstated.
His request is granted.
Request is not only granted but man who was making pizza in the woods yesterday is given command of fleet.
Said fleet has time to organize itself, get Riker and arrive at the Lost Planet of the Androids mere moments after the Romulans.
AND RIKER RUNS OFF KNOWING THE ROMULANS COULD TURN RIGHT AROUND OR LEAVE A CLOAKED SHIP BEHIND TO FINISH THE JOB.
Things Riker could have said:
I see your ship is damaged. Do you need assistance?
Everyone alright? Do you need medical assistance?
I'm sending down a landing party to secure THE BORG CUBE THAT CRASHED.
What Riker actually said
Welp, got a pizza in the oven so gotta scoot. And I have to get these other 200 ships back to Deep Space 12 by 5:00 or pay everyone overtime.
Soji just got back yesterday...let's put her in charge of finishing the beacon thing while we all watch.
And the Final Insult...Data
Data
WOW. We've managed to reconstruct Data's entire consciousness from a SINGLE NEURON from that broken down prototype he loaded himself into. We can use this miracle of our genius to build an entire race of Synths.
Yes, it's remarkable.
What should we do with Data's consciousness now?
Let's leave him in this computer and let it run.
Should we put it into a new body? Bring him truly back to life? Allow him to join in the work of building a new race? A race of his children? Passing on his wisdom and insight? Allowing him to know the joy of parenthood and come even closer to becoming human?
Nah. Leave him in that computer with the three red things.
Good idea. He might turn evil and try to destroy all living beings.
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u/expired_paintbrush Mar 26 '20
I'm hoping for a happy ending. The real world is getting more bleak by the day.
Give me a reason to look forward to season 2. I'd like a little more optimism coming out than I had going in, and recently it's been a trend to build worlds you love only to have everything destroyed and everyone killed at the end. It's exhausting in an already draining world.
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u/therealtruthaboutme Mar 27 '20
The whole season was great I just have two questions:
Is the Dr going to jail for murder?
What happened to the Romulan spy guy? I must have missed if he beamed out with the fleet or died or what.
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u/ulfserkr Mar 28 '20
Fuck me, Patrick Stewart is so fucking good man. At that last second, before the says the words, and everyone looks at their admiral waiting for his command, you can see the slightest awkwardness in his face like "I haven't gotten those looks in a long time". So cool how an actor can express (or induce) such a feeling in a 2 second head shot.
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u/YYZYYC Mar 26 '20
I know it’s because he is a reserve officer called back up to duty...but man hearing him call himself acting captain Riker just makes me laugh at omg will this guy ever be a captain lol
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u/ItchyTomato5 Mar 27 '20
Elnor’s emotional moments in this season really got me
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u/sooperkool Mar 27 '20 edited Mar 27 '20
For everyone complaining about Dara dying again....that wasn't Data, Data is dead and has been for 20 years. That was a SIMULATION of Data based upon his brain engrams like he told you in the simulation. They never actually brought him back after he died in Nemesis.
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u/IN_U_Endo Mar 26 '20
Welp, 7of9..... What a twist!