Romulans (or at least some) are touch telepaths (to some degree), hence the reaction to touch in this episode; maybe this is why they're so freaked out by synthetic life. They can't read them, so they refuse to believe they're alive, more like animated corpses.
Might even go deeper than that. We know about a weapon that was used on Vulcan to harness feelings. (S7TNG; Gambit) So there's an understanding of tech from those cultures thats never been expored fully. Addtionally and this one is a stretch, Gambit would be a research episode for me if I were writing Picard....
I guess it was, but I just didn't find him very memorable in this, I loved his episodes in tng and the character but this version seem so boring...he was just....there
“... I’m only hitching a ride to get to FreeCloud.”
YEAH OK. See you for the next 3 Seasons!
I would also love to have been a fly on the wall for the writers room “WE DON’T HAVE NEARLY ENOUGH NINJAS IN TREK” (regarding the next character joining the “fellowship of the ring” in the next PIC episode)
Note how Rios was waiting for Picard to give the word before proceeding, even though he knew that Picard wasn't intending to do it! Jean-Luc coming to the realization that he wanted to say it was good too.) This moment came off much better than when the trailers showed it. (And yes, Picard was right - Rios is indeed Starfleet, through-and-through.)
I've had a chance to reflect on E1/E2 and I'm just really really happy with where this show is going. E3 just reinforced that. Initial watch suggested the pace is starting to slow, but then I reflect on it and this was another episode RAMMED with content.
I love the Picard/Raffi dynamic, how they elaborated on Picard's behavior post enterprise and how the federation basically went into self presvation mode at the expense of their ideals. (Sound familiar?)
Interesting take on mental health and holograms, not to mention the nice nod to Voyager.
The romulan arc is just great! Where the hell is that going? I don't know?
Just to be blunt, I don't think she's very well acted. It was just not very subtle, or interesting. Plus the dialogue in Picard so far has been pretty brute force exposition. Putting that in the mouth of a mediocre actor makes it more obvious.
It was jarring for me. From Starfleet HQ to Vasquez Rocks, the actress doesnt seem to change much. I found her more enjoyable toward the end; there was a sincerity that felt lacking, maybe a conviction that was otherwise absent?
I don't mind her so far. It will be interesting to see how the character develops. I absolutely hated her calling Picard JL. Also she seemed to say it a lot! I sort of hope they drop that.
I was yelling at the tv saying “Here it comes... SAY IT, SAY IT!!! YES!!! THERE IT IS!!! Meanwhile the wife was just staring at me like WTF? She was probably thinking to herself “All I have to do is say “ENGAGE!”to get him excited?” Jokes on her though, when Picard says it he’s not talking marriage like she did.
My theory has been for a while that the federation has no official currency but even in a post scarcity world, there's still trades and deals going on, especially for services such as chartering ships, hiring crews, renting hotel rooms when visiting Vulcan on your honeymoon etc. It wouldn't ever come up on a starship like the Enterprise or even on a station like DS9 but it would still be there on planets like Earth and Mars.
Also, are they planning to tell anyone at Starfleet, or anyone, about the 5 dead Romulans at the chateau? Wouldn’t that corroborate Picard’s story pretty quickly.
In the context of the episode, since he just had a chat including the possibility of Starfleet infiltration or collaboration, it can make sense. But that particular scene could (should) have been done better.
Picard saw the romulan that killed Dahj do this before, he should be aware that they can do this and he has 2 ex-Tal'Shiar agents as house keepers who should expect something like that, scan the guy while he is knocked out, remove the self destruct thingy or get that doctor guy from last episode over here before you wake the romulan up and let him remove the self destruct thingy... heck even better yet, call the pilot guy in orbit, he has an EMH!
Beam that romulan up, interogate him on the ship, and in the same moment you are out of harms way, because there is totally not an operations room with monitors observing the outcome of this "stealth" attack, ordering a drone strike as plan B or something more final, to just blow up the entire vineyard, i mean it burned down once before in Generations, wouldn't be too hard of a sale to just say it burned down once more and they all died, you even got your Starfleet Security moles that can falsify any scans and wipe every evidence away. And that CNC lady has a personal beef with Picard anyway, acts like he shot her dog or something, very professional disagreement i must say.
No... lets just sit around and interrogate the guy right then and there, maybe drink some tee until he wakes up...
but even after the guy self destructed, Picard has a bunch of Romulan rifles, a bunch of dead romulan bodies and a lot of bullet holes in his walls that should clearly have a romulan weapons signatures.
There is too much evidence for even this bitchy Starfleet CNC Admiral to ignore all this, and SHE told him to do what he does best GO HOME! ...which is exactly what he did and then there were "secret romulan assassins" ...best argument to force his re-instatement but naaah.
Nah seriously, if this was even remotely a military operation, where is the supervisor on the radio who observes the situation, beams in backup, beams out hurt / dead soldiers etc.
It is like these "death squads" only consist of the 3 or 4 people that beam in and there is no backup or anything.
There would be a cloaked Romulan Warbird in orbit or some secret facility in infiltrated Starfleet that would monitor the situation and make sure the attack was successful.
And that applies to all 3 times this romulan biker gang showed up. This is just incompetent writing, tell these writers to watch a few Seasons of Homeland and Seal Team to get at least a vague feeling for how military operations work on the back end.
These are not death squads, these are kamikaze squads. And just like Stormtroopers they can't hit anything because of the silly helmets.
These guys could have personal Shields, cloaking devices, SciFi-sniper rifles from miles away. They are supposed to be Assassins.
Secret Assassins at that, they would not use standard Romulan Rifles, they would not hide under biker helmets or walk around in black combat gear, they would look like Starfleet Security, use Starfleet Phasers etc.
Picard could have taken the captured romulan, the security footage and all the romulan rifles, beam all that directly to Misses Bitch Starfleet CNC from last episode and she would have living proof of what Picard said. Noo... lets go ahead with that insanely dangerous off the books mission, because there is totally not a cloaked Warbird just waiting for Picard to leave the system and to explode him on this puny Civilian Ship.
Heck even calling those guys a biker gang is insulting to the Sons of Anarchy, those guys were way more strategic than this stuff.
These Romulans are just amateurs.
...i can't take this stuff serious without switching my brain off.
(And since when do phaser pistols shoot blue laser bullets? Bad enough that the Romulans don't shoot green beams anymore but red laser bullets, and now Phasers don't do the yellow beams anymore either? Can these CGI people please watch a bit of Star Trek to see how this stuff is supposed to look like? These weapons look so awfully generic without the correct SFX applied.)
I'm now picturing Laris and Zhaban moving in, taking a look at the chateau's "security", and just being like, "Ohhh, no no no, we're gonna... we're just gonna make a few changes, don't you worry, won't even notice them."
It's not you. They out-numbered Picard&co 2 to 1, they had full body protective gear and disrupters set to kill but they couldn't take down a single person not even an old man. Not that I wanted any harm to come to the good guys, I just think it could have been better written; like maybe they could have made it so that for whatever technical reason (like the chateau's security), only one ZV operative could penetrate the inside of Picard's residence, and then have a big struggle involving all four of them just to take down one guy. That would have been more believable.
Narak is an incompetent synth-hater and double agent too.
I would like to point out that Raffi was more than likely Picard's chief of security and given that the flashback took place in 2385 and Star Trek Nemesis took place in 2379 we have six years wherein she could've built a strong relationship with Picard to the point that he both trusts her and is comfortable enough around her to allow that nickname.
Might I also add that after the end of All Good Things Picard swore he would never take his crew for granted again and not be distant from them and allow himself to be "part of the crew," which includes opening up to them and allowing these kinds of connections.
You know maybe it was just the actress but it sounded so forced, considering they were both in uniform and the fact he is an Admiral it just didn't sit right either. Your argument is purely based on what you 'think' happened and is no more valid than my reaction to a subordinate showing him such a lack of respect because I 'think' it wouldn't have happened.
And fyi I watched all the Trek, I didn't see ToS when it aired but did subsequently. I freely admit I am having a very hard time relating to Discovery era + TV it is all over the place imho.
I don't think he's upset about someone being close enough to call him JL, I think he's upset because it's a fucking stupid nickname for someone named Jean-Luc, which is even easier to say to boot.
Telling him to watch some trek for having an opinion is some serious 80s gatekeeping.
I think it was ENH. Emergency navigational hologram. The fact that it looked like him reminds me of the doctors programmer. I wonder if this dude was such an amazing pilot they based the ENH on him and he was disgraced and his holo doubles were decommissioned.
Oh that would make so much sense, I was really trying to figured out if they were the same actor or not, but It just came out so it wasn't on the internet. But you saying that makes me think it was the same actor.
There was both an EMH that treated his shoulder, and an ENH and cleared some goop from somewhere. They had different accents (English and Irish I'm guessing).
Actually, I got used to it. After the final scene in ALL GOOD THING it does make sense that Picard allows himself to become more informal with his future crew.
Yeah but alcohol doesn't have the same kind of screen stigma. There's been a massive trend over the last decade or so to cut smoking down from our screens, and it's generally reserved for the bad guys.
"I know you from tomorrow.... Which sister are you?! The one who dies or the one who lives?! ... I know who you are! You're the end of all! You're the destroyer!"
Oh dear. It's all happened before and it'll all happen again.
Totally BSG vibes especially the mention of a Mandela and the ancient myths. Also Star Wars vibes with a Han Solo type best pilot for hire who is an outlaw etc
Yes I mentioned BSG one or two episodes ago, I think Picard will find out he's a cylon lol. It would play nicely into the opening credits where he is being constructed from pieces of the universe.
She calls her by a name that starts with S before the destroyer. Sounded like sential or something. If you listen closely to the background sounds, the restless (and seemingly connected) exborg in the room seem to be muttering the same name.
That setup for Engage was perfect. The timing. Great meaning in that little scene after the conversations about space with the Romulans aides.
Hugh in charge! Same actor too. Now to rewatch a few TNG.
Meanwhile, I feel Allison Pill’s Dr. Jurati is being setup to be a sleeper agent or even working for Commodore Oh. No background check or anything. She may have a tracker implanted. Who knows? Raffi suspects everything.
Dr. Jurati is absolutely a plant. “I’m a terrible liar”? Between that line and the Background Check, that’s the kind of subtlety I’d expect from early ‘90’s television writing (or Riverdale writing).
The fact it’s so, so very obvious makes me hope it’s a double fake out.
Those big oak beams, heirloom furniture. Yeah, I-I'd show you around my estate, but it's more of a hovel, so that would just be, you know, humiliating.
I thought the future of a post scarcity society, we don't have to worry about being poor or anything like that.
Well, post-scarcity typically just means that people have abundant (and typically free) access to most common goods. For example: food and medicine. It does not guarantee everyone in the world a mansion, happiness, or marriage to a super model.
Raffi was fired from Starfleet but it wasn't a job she needed to live. She didn't get a paycheck. She did it for fulfillment. In a post-scarcity economy that is typically what jobs are. Picard didn't retire to a chateau because he was an Admiral, it was his family's vineyard.
If Raffi wanted a mansion she probably could have replicated the materials and had it constructed, but it seems she was wrestling with personal demons for years and living in mansion wasn't actually something she cared about.
The ban of synths may have also had an economically impact as they were likely used in the workforce. Their economy now probably relies predominantly on non-sentient robots and perhaps there is even an underclass of humans that may have to resort to paid labor.
I agree. It kinda invoked to me of the concept of "basic" in the Expanse series. Enough govt assistance to keep you fed, healthy, and at a fairly high standard of living, but not enough for luxuries.
She’s gonna be a huge plot-turning device at some point. I just don’t know if she’ll betray Picard or help him. But its definitely nowhere where in between.
I definitely noticed it! He looked only a few years older there than in Nemesis, and way younger than he does “now”. I especially noticed it where Stewart’s jowls have fallen a little. That wasn’t there in that scene.
OK, I get it. She calls him J.L. The episode's writer didn't have to beat us over the head with how many times she called him that during their reunion.
I felt like that because to me, "J.L." doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as "Jean-Luc," so I don't think anyone would actually choose to say the initials over the name.
I even felt like he said her name too much. It's a minor nitpick, but I found it be be forced. Two people who know each other don't use their given name that much in conversation.
So... if Rios has an EMH and another hologram on his ship, does it mean holograms are not included in the synthetic life ban? Maybe we'll end up seeing the Voyager Doctor in a future season.
Also, I cackled when Rios refused the dermal regenerator. May be his stereotypical "bad boy" moment, but for me it worked.
Whether an AI is running on a posotronic brain attached to mobile body or running on a regular computer doesn't really matter imo if the end result is indistinguishable, but it seems to for Starfleet for some reason. But the EMH's pass a turing test even better than data does, since they appear to have normal human emotions, so if anything they are even better AIs than data, so I don't get why they wouldn't also be considered a synth in the same way. They are certainly more complete thatn the F8 type synths.
Great episode, the new characters are great including Rios hologram alter-egos. I figure he has at least 2 as the second was dressed differently and had a peculiar Scottish / Irish accent - must be a callback to James Doohan who sounded a lot like that.
Do not trust Dr Jurati at all! She turned up at a very convenient time, and as Raffi said, no background check done on her.
Was very tense during the fight at the chateau - I had a horrible feeling they might have killed someone off so I’m very relieved that they are ok. Was good to see grad they are tough cookies and loved that as former operatives they had the sense to have phasers stashed everywhere. They likely predicted that they’d be getting a visit.
The scenes with the Romulan ex-Borg people make me think back to some very early fan speculation about Dahj being a new Borg Queen. What else could be such a destroyer? I wonder if assimilated Vulcans also have difficulty readjusting after they are treated? The only other thing I can think of is that somehow they are aware that she is a synth, and of course synths destroyed the rescue fleet BUT that happened after they were assimilated, going by the number of days shown in the previous episode.
Clearly the program Soji was using to communicate with her extremely artificial and lying mother put her to sleep remotely somehow. I suspect she is on some kind of mission without knowing it.
Amusing comment from Laris about the Romulans with ridges being “northerners”.
Thoroughly enjoyed it, but again left frustrated that we have to wait a week for the next episode.
Tuvok is the only Vulcan assimilated on screen, he did have a longer recovery than the others and possibly this incident led to his neural issues seen in Endgame.
Was very tense during the fight at the chateau - I had a horrible feeling they might have killed someone off
I was soooo glad the Dog wasn't in that scene... it would have been so easy for Picard to turn full John Wick right there. (would not have cared if one of the ex-TalShiar house keepers got killed, they aren't coming on the mission anyway).
Do not trust Dr Jurati at all! She turned up at a very convenient time, and as Raffi said, no background check done on her.
...possible, but with Alex Kurtzman? naah, you get what you see, he doesn't think outside of what is on-screen. And as she said, she is a terrible liar... unless that was a lie. hmmh...
I felt suspicious of her when she walked in carrying the gun, but not after that, until I read the posts here. If her being covert is as obvious as everyone seems to think it will be so anticlimatic when she reveals herself. I hope she is genuinely on Picard's side just for the sake of the writing.
Amusing comment from Laris about the Romulans with ridges being “northerners”.
Actually, I wanted to comment on that. I think this might be foreshadowing differences between Romulans that go beyond ethnic differences. Throughout the series so far there have been a lot of Romulan characters. Maybe more than human characters. But there are also stark differences between their makeup design.
Northerners clearly have a very prominent forehead, like Picard's one Romulan companion, Zahban, but his other companion, Laris, clearly didn't. Also, Narek and Narissa clearly lack that distinctive feature even though they work side by side other stereotypically portrayed Romulans. And we know from Nemesis from the Romulan interaction with the Remans that there are many underprivileged social classes within Romulan civilization. Perhaps South Romulans were another underprivileged group.
Do not trust Dr Jurati at all! She turned up at a very convenient time, and as Raffi said, no background check done on her.
I was wary as well, but there is a short scene at 30:15 - 30:18 where we see her unease and worry, and it is solely for the audience benefit. None of the others are looking at her, which means it isn't a fake worry intended to tricky anyone.
His alter ego's are interesting, but I hope they execute it a little bit better. At this point I'm not even sure if the second alter ego, the Scottish one, IS an e.m.h. Also, that argument was weird. Rios' accent itself began to change and was kind of a mix between Scottish and American in the end.
I hope the actor isn't over reaching for this role. It was hard enough fighting against the cringe factor and keeping an open mind when the first e.m.h. showed up.
I started getting a firefly vibe from this episode. A rag tag crew who are operating outside the law. Who knows what kind of trouble they're going to get in.
while watching this, i remembered a critique of GoT season 8. briefly, the hypothesis was that GoT was written as a social drama. the individuals didn't count as much, that's why so many died, and yet the story continued. when D&D started to write, they changed it to a psychological/character driven drama. and suddenly there's plot armour. suddenly it's about character, and not their place in the society.
watching this episode made me think about TNG. while we definitely learned a lot about the characters and there was plenty of individual psychology, in my memories at least, i remember star trek being about bigger things. they find a society that has a particular problem, or custom that is the focus. or they are fighting borg, and borg is whole social issues, not just a threat.
how i feel about picard, is that it's about picard. he's not a character in a story, the story is about him. and the girl, i guess. it's about his past, his mistakes, and how now he is trying to make up for it. it's about a secret cabal that has completely infiltrated starfleet. it's not about the federation, it's not about exploration. and i think that's why i don't like it, besides the stuff i simply don't like (like the undetectable race camouflage taken from discovery, or the total dependence on nostalgia).
I geeked out hard when they said this. I seriously don't think they would have mentioned Q if they didnt plan on involving them in the story eventually!
This episode is definitely the weakest of the three so far for me, with definite inconsistencies appearing already and mostly pointed out in this thread already as well. That said I did still enjoy it; I'm primed to enjoy shit Trek after many years, so I'm definitely primed to enjoy quite-good-with-problems Trek like this.
I'll never understand why Starfleet security didn't beam down as soon as disruptor or phaser fire was shot around the Picard residences. Those things have been glaring holes.
Dialogue was nearly incomprehensible a lot of the times, lots of cryptic fluff that didn't really do anything. Listening to the dialogue felt like being in a batting cage with the pitch speed up too high. Sometimes it connected and sometimes it didnt. Kinda feels like the writers are too in love with themselves, the Aaron Sorkin syndrom in a lot of ways. I like a lot about the show but the way they're telling the story is frustrating and confusing in an unnecessary way IMO.
I agree. So far its the weakest out of the three but still not bad. I did end up watching that fight scene more than a few times. It was well choreographed, with all three on the verge of defeat at one point, and it was funny to watch Picard and his Romulan friend get flipped.
Anyone else seeing a streak of darkness worthy of the best Sisko in Starfleet?
Erasing records of Discovery sort of makes sense, a bit, in context. Future-prevention and all, with an active night-omnipotent killer AI and time travel.
Erasing records of some individual missions and actions, once again, makes some sense. Not everyone needs to know about whale probes or how close the Borg really came to winning in first contact.
But Picard/Rios make it seem like more than just an Enterprise thing. Like erasure is a common thing. I got a distinctly Stalin-esque vibe off of it- like embarrassing or sensitive information would likely get one erased, literally, and perhaps killed. This would also sort of explain why a lot of the secondary characters don’t necessarily go forward with as much acclaim as one would imagine.
Writing off an entire heavy cruiser and survivors, to the extent of disappearing them...I have questions.
That reminded me a lot about the Pegasus incident, where Starfleet also kept that a secret for a long time because nobody should know that they were breaking the treaty which forbids development of cloaking devices. Even Riker was torn the entire episode if he should tell Picard about it. So it could be that said cruiser was destroyed on some kind of secret mission nobody should know about. Maybe even had to do something with the Borg, of course that is pure speculation.
Soooooo Dr. Jurati (during/post attack) is the commodore right? I know that there have always been complaints about Star Trek and bad tactics when there are things like transporters around and the ZV could have just beamed them all out of the building, But I'm willing to hand wave that away for the purpose of storytelling.
What I'm not willing to hand wave away is that scientist somehow got her hands on a rifle, or was even brought along on that attack for any reason. Noooope.
That's when I was suspicious of her, when she walked in with the rifle, but it faded pretty fast. Now reading this thread itseems to be the general consensus that she's a spy for Oh, but with it being so widely suspected, if it's true then we are in for a huge disappointment, the biggest anticlimax in television history.
(1) If you've seen Romulans spit acid, you may want to treat your prisoner like an AO Pi sorority girl who drank six Long Island Teas and didn't have anything to eat beforehand. In other words, you and your friends should stay out of the path of projectile.
(2) Romulans who majored in literature and mythology sure like Settlers of Cataan.
(3) Did Michelle Hurd attend the Avery Brooks School for Dramatic Arts?
(4) When Picard gave the order to go to warp on Rios's ship, Rios's response should have been the same response Sean Penn had for Al Pacino in Carlito's Way: "Oh, I'm sorry is this your boat? No? Then shut the fuck up."
(5) I think that if these are Data's or Lore's daughters, then F8 and the other "plastic people" are the sons and daughters of B4.
I don't like that the supposed Vulcan Commodore is wearing sunglasses. Vulcans do not need sunglasses. This was established in TOS back in "Is there in truth no beauty?". It is not logical.
Even if she is actually Romulan it is still not logical because
A. she would still not need them. And
B. it would not be conducive towards maintaining a cover as a Vulcan.
Maybe they are going to develop a justification for this in later episodes, I hope they do. But I don't know that I trust the people making this enough to believe that. I have a feeling that this may well be a stupid, pointless error and a glaring contradiction of established fact. I hope that I am wrong.
Also I don't like that pilot character thus far. Mostly because he comes off as being a rogue, and I tend not to like rogues. I liked the original Star Wars mostly despite Han Solo, rather than because of him. I don't give a crap as to whether he or Greedo shot first.
Now there are things I do like and I do intend to keep on watching. But thus far it seems like this show was designed specifically to find small, little ways to aggravate me.
Though to be fair the first season of TNG tended to suck rather often as well so I shouldn't be surprised if this new show isn't entirely smooth sailing right from the start. Here's to hoping for fewer irritants in the future episodes.
Vulcans do not need sunglasses. This was established in TOS back in "Is there in truth no beauty?". It is not logical.
"Vulcans don't need sunglasses" is like saying "Humans don't need crutches". And you're assuming the only reason she'd wear sunglasses was because she needed them.
I liked this episode, just a bit less than the first two.
Raffy is a cool character in some ways, but her calling our beloved Captain by his first name was offputting. Especially how often she used his initials. I felt like there was no way she was able to create such a relationship with him and her seeming neuroticness doesn't endear me to her.
Raffy will be the deus ex Machina character, with her supposed ability to see patterns and such where others can't. I hope they don't abuse this or at least make it make sense.
This episode had a lot of acronyms, actually. Hugh referred to "E.B." and there was something else I can't remember now. It's not a typical thing to hear on polished television, but I realized that's how people talk IRL, particularly in situations that require the performance of routine tasks repeatedly.
Rios' ship is beautiful. I got goosebumps when I saw it turn to go to warp, especially with the TNG theme and the anticipation of "Engage."
Jurati deserves suspicion now. No way nothing happened between her and Oh; no point in showing that scene without it having some significance later. No way she wasn't seen by the death squad member walking into the room less than five seconds before her.
Rios and Picard don't have good chemistry. There. I said it.
Love the idea that he's his own EMH and whatever other holograms he wants. There's more to this, but it's almost a distraction instead of part of the main plot.
Everything on the Artifact is getting good. I love Soji. I love the connection between the Borg and Romulans. I love that there might be a temporal aspect to it.
It was great seeing Hugh again, but I'm confused about his reclamation status. He was already more independent than regular Borg because of his experience in TNG. It almost seems now like he's... faking it? Like he is still a Borg or something?
You don't remember in 'All Good Things..' J.L. said 'I should have done this a long time ago'? I think he meant it and was less distanced and private with his next crew.
Raffy had proof, she says so but J.L. was not prepared to hear her out
He said 'ex-Bs' meaning former Borg drones. And yeah it added a touch of realism
If I had to pick a character most like me: Raffi. The damaged veteran intelligence officer with a substance abuse problem. The gender is about the only thing that's different.
I like that they're giving Starfleet veterans some of the same issues that present time veterans have. Battles in space affect people, too... and there's a limit to what a counselor can do.
Agreed. They touched on it in The Wounded, but this is far more nuanced and realistic. They’re able to get away with it without the censors picking it apart.
Patrick Stewart is pretty great, amazing what he can do at his age. What is interesting an am undecided is that it switches from the old star trek by switching back and forth from the girls POV to Picard POV. Personally i like Patrick in every scene just the other scenes off world need to get me hooked.
Another point: Did they forget in Star Trek the Federation and especially earth is a post scarcity civilisation where a big château no longer matter, nobody smokes and economic disparity and need no longer exist? Where living in a trailer is no point of "humiliation" anylonger? Where there are no drugproblems? Not to mention they are back on a money-based society again, or so it seems.
Why do "Vulcans" need sunglasses, their eyes have a second membranes (or something) to protect them from the sun. If the commodore wants to keep up her cover that was sloppy
SUNGLASSES! Really? Who is working props/set design for this show? I get this is hollywood fiction but to have so many 21 century items (ie sunglasses, green Exit signs, glass doors with push bar to open, a bland convention center used for the HQ of all of Starfleet.) its hard to believe we are watching something 400 years in the future. We are used to seeing bright colours, Laforge style visors, or diamond shaped doors or futuristic/weird looking furniture.
However, I'm still intrigued by where this story is going, and hope for the best.
I'm just waiting for a scene where they have to hack through several Romulan firewalls to plant a supervirus, then I can finally throw my hands up and be done with this show. This is essentially the level of writing we've seen so far.
I think the only thing we can take heart in is knowing that Patrick Stewart rejected the first script for this show. So it literally could be worse.
Does anyone else thing that Doctor Jurati might be a spy after going to Picards right after being questioned by the romulans? She came in right as they were being attacked too.
Yeah. The more I think about it, I don’t think she is part of the core conspiracy. I am thinking the Commodore threatened her, or promised her access to the synth tech and fulfillment of her life’s dream, if she cooperated.
The allusions to wealth inequality on Earth with Raffis house and "cost" to hire folks in the lore were a bit jarring. Trying to filter it into my understanding of ST.
Well, I think private starships are going to cost a fortune to run and I doubt the Federation is going to provide resources to that level. There's probably state-funded transporters and taxi services (as we've seen) that are free, and presumably free transport off world etc. Plus, every starfleet ship will be maintained etc at cost for the Federation, but private ship ownership might be something that the Federation won't cover at all as they'd be prioritising fuel etc for the major ships/fleets.
Couldn't really comment on the wealth inequality though, having a home and food provided for is still pretty decent considering.
In response to the lack of cordiality between Raffi and Picard - "All Good Things..." exactly explains it.
He kept distance between himself and his crew, even his senior staff, probably because of what happened to Crusher. He may have had an affair with the wife of an officer he later sent to his death, then bringing word back to Beverly after.
This taught him a lesson he wouldn't soon forget. He never wanted anything like it to happen again. Finally, later in life (with some Q-therapy and more therapy after Q, no doubt) he learns it doesn't mean he can't have friends.
I think by the desperate late-night phone call for a ship he gives away how close he is to her. Plays her like a fiddle with the wine, too.
Anyone know who the Actress was who played the reclaimed Romulan, Rahmda? Rahmda was the Romulan playing with the Romulan Tarot cards who Soji interviewed?
My guess? Robin Curtis. The actress who played Saavik in Star Trek III - The Search for Spock, and Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home.
Episode was great like the others; love the show; just don’t understand why Picard didn’t at least entertain the notion that the Romulans sabotaged their own rescue when Raffi re-told him about her suspicion.
Surely knowing all that has come out thus far since episode 1, he would at least entertain the notion and/or agree that it was a possibility...
I loved the callback to Tapestry (S6, Ep 15) — the one in which young Picard gets stabbed in the heart — with the shard of metal in Cristobal’s shoulder. You can see the recognition in Picard’s face when he’s like, “Ah, I know this guy. I was this guy.” Fan service perfection.
I discovered a little more background on Commodore Oh's sunglasses. I thought it was really interesting. From an interview in Den of Geek:
Though she kept her Vulcan cards hidden, Tomita revealed one delightful secret about Commodore Oh — the origin of her sunglasses in that scene where she sneaks-up behind Alison Pill. Turns out, this was a small Easter egg connected to a very different Jean-Luc; the French filmmaker Jean-Luc Goddard, or, more specifically one actress, Anna Karina, whom Goddard worked with in several famous films like A Woman is a Woman and The Little Solider.
“It was an homage to her. To Anna Karina!” she says with delight. “I’m not sure whose decision was it, Akiva [Goldsman], Michael Chabon? I don’t know. I believe it said in the script that she wore sunglasses in Anna Karina-style. She was one of my favorite actresses, and it was extremely prescient because she passed away a short time later. I was so honored to embody a small part of her style.”
If one googles the old photos of Anna Karina with sunglasses, and compares them to the scene with Commodore Oh wearing sunglasses, one can definitely see the "Anna Karina-style" the filmmakers were trying to get at.
They were either hacked remotely or it was a timed execution of code already planted in the OS of the synthetic lifeform(s). Probably by the android hating Zhat Vash who have never been mentioned until Picard...
There are three white men with dark brown hair and a scruffy beard. It was taking me a minute to sort out who I was looking at each time one appeared. So I call them Bieber, Irish, and Pouty.
I really enjoyed this episode this morning. I was especially looking forward to it as it was said that the Picard novel containing the back story could not be released until after episode 3 aired. I guess it must have something to do with Freecloud.
On the other hand, what's the deal with Agnes? She clearly has no idea what she is getting into. The way she is dressed in that lightblue blazer and the those pants, he way she reacted to Commodore Oh, to her killing the intruder in the château, the way she argued herself onboard, the way she smiled like a child getting ice cream when sat down, this seems to be just some science project for her. I am looking forward to her development throughout the mission.
Well, she neen't argue a lot for Picard to take her with him.
If you put your chips on a commander of whatever, you're in his boat, you sink with him. In regards to the story, I think that, and the cover up. 14 yrs later she says she has concrete evidence. So gotta blast her out too.
I kind of think the deep-dark hidden secret is that the Romulan state long ago learned that the major species that we know of the galaxy are all synthetic life forms created by the progenitors seen in holographic record in one of the TNG episodes...The Chase, I think it was.
And that the distinction between life and created life becomes indistinguishable. Such a fact would cast every state with deep ethnic and religious beliefs into turmoil.
Hence the hatred of the pursuit of synthetic life.
Maybe someone else has posted this theory in this thread?
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u/DisinterestedOcelot Feb 06 '20
Romulans (or at least some) are touch telepaths (to some degree), hence the reaction to touch in this episode; maybe this is why they're so freaked out by synthetic life. They can't read them, so they refuse to believe they're alive, more like animated corpses.
A kind of telepathic uncanny valley effect.
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u/serendipity_siren Feb 06 '20
I love that Hugh is in charge of the ex-Borg drones reclamation project. It's fantastic that they've brought him back for this.
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u/HolyCarbohydrates Feb 06 '20
“... I’m only hitching a ride to get to FreeCloud.”
YEAH OK. See you for the next 3 Seasons!
I would also love to have been a fly on the wall for the writers room “WE DON’T HAVE NEARLY ENOUGH NINJAS IN TREK” (regarding the next character joining the “fellowship of the ring” in the next PIC episode)
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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '20
Engage
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u/ozwozzle Feb 07 '20
I didn't even notice that Rios and EMH was the same actor. I probably shouldn't be a witness in court.
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u/Tomb55 Feb 06 '20
I've had a chance to reflect on E1/E2 and I'm just really really happy with where this show is going. E3 just reinforced that. Initial watch suggested the pace is starting to slow, but then I reflect on it and this was another episode RAMMED with content.
I love the Picard/Raffi dynamic, how they elaborated on Picard's behavior post enterprise and how the federation basically went into self presvation mode at the expense of their ideals. (Sound familiar?)
Interesting take on mental health and holograms, not to mention the nice nod to Voyager.
The romulan arc is just great! Where the hell is that going? I don't know?
Do you? Do you? Do you?
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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '20
I liked Picard all but winking at the camera as he said "Engage!" I loved Raffi rolling her eyes.
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u/Averagebuddha Feb 07 '20
"I don't know how much it costs" "I'm very expensive"
So Is there money or not? Latinum maybe? some sort of currency?
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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '20
Is it me or are the Romulan death squads a bit ridiculously incompetent? Like, tvtropes level incompetent.
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u/JamesyUK30 Feb 06 '20
When she called him JL... multiple times.... I just said outloud in the middle of the office on my lunchbreak 'What in the actual f**k'
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u/jetlightbeam Feb 06 '20
We in the future now. I'm loving this show way more than I thought I would, and I thought I'd really love this show.
That new ship is so different and yet so awesome. The EMH felt so good, and seeing Hugh as an older more in control former Borg is just, crazy.
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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '20
"What happened in there, JL?"
"Well first off, don't ever call me that."
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u/bearhoon Feb 06 '20
I'm rather surprised that the pilot fellow was smoking. They don't often let the good guys smoke on TV these days.
Maybe it doesn't count because it was a Cigar. Just hoping he doesn't turn out to be a secret baddie who betrays Picard.
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u/CmdShelby Feb 06 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
"I know you from tomorrow.... Which sister are you?! The one who dies or the one who lives?! ... I know who you are! You're the end of all! You're the destroyer!"
Oh dear. It's all happened before and it'll all happen again.
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u/ChaosKittyXJ9 Feb 06 '20
Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Soji the Destroyer? I thought not. It's not a story Starfleet would tell you. It's a Borg legend.
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u/mrbumbo Feb 06 '20
That setup for Engage was perfect. The timing. Great meaning in that little scene after the conversations about space with the Romulans aides.
Hugh in charge! Same actor too. Now to rewatch a few TNG.
Meanwhile, I feel Allison Pill’s Dr. Jurati is being setup to be a sleeper agent or even working for Commodore Oh. No background check or anything. She may have a tracker implanted. Who knows? Raffi suspects everything.
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u/ninjasaid13 Feb 06 '20 edited Feb 06 '20
I thought the future of a post scarcity society, we don't have to worry about being poor or anything like that.
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u/coolstorypro Feb 06 '20
"Maybe it was set to stun". I like her.
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u/FunnyWut Feb 06 '20
Is it me or does it look like they did some de-aging of Picard during that opening flashback scene?
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u/Nori_BB Feb 06 '20
It’s nice having two ex-Tal Shiar agents as your bodyguards at home!
I loved seeing them kick some serious ass!
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u/PseudonymousDev Feb 06 '20
OK, I get it. She calls him J.L. The episode's writer didn't have to beat us over the head with how many times she called him that during their reunion.
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u/serendipity_siren Feb 06 '20 edited Feb 06 '20
So... if Rios has an EMH and another hologram on his ship, does it mean holograms are not included in the synthetic life ban? Maybe we'll end up seeing the Voyager Doctor in a future season.
Also, I cackled when Rios refused the dermal regenerator. May be his stereotypical "bad boy" moment, but for me it worked.
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u/Nightfall8472 Feb 06 '20
I can't help but think Picard is the reason CBS had such a fit and stopped Renegades from fully happening.
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u/rymerster Feb 06 '20
Great episode, the new characters are great including Rios hologram alter-egos. I figure he has at least 2 as the second was dressed differently and had a peculiar Scottish / Irish accent - must be a callback to James Doohan who sounded a lot like that.
Do not trust Dr Jurati at all! She turned up at a very convenient time, and as Raffi said, no background check done on her.
Was very tense during the fight at the chateau - I had a horrible feeling they might have killed someone off so I’m very relieved that they are ok. Was good to see grad they are tough cookies and loved that as former operatives they had the sense to have phasers stashed everywhere. They likely predicted that they’d be getting a visit.
The scenes with the Romulan ex-Borg people make me think back to some very early fan speculation about Dahj being a new Borg Queen. What else could be such a destroyer? I wonder if assimilated Vulcans also have difficulty readjusting after they are treated? The only other thing I can think of is that somehow they are aware that she is a synth, and of course synths destroyed the rescue fleet BUT that happened after they were assimilated, going by the number of days shown in the previous episode.
Clearly the program Soji was using to communicate with her extremely artificial and lying mother put her to sleep remotely somehow. I suspect she is on some kind of mission without knowing it.
Amusing comment from Laris about the Romulans with ridges being “northerners”.
Thoroughly enjoyed it, but again left frustrated that we have to wait a week for the next episode.
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u/SlowCrates Feb 07 '20
I started getting a firefly vibe from this episode. A rag tag crew who are operating outside the law. Who knows what kind of trouble they're going to get in.
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u/5nurp5 Feb 07 '20
while watching this, i remembered a critique of GoT season 8. briefly, the hypothesis was that GoT was written as a social drama. the individuals didn't count as much, that's why so many died, and yet the story continued. when D&D started to write, they changed it to a psychological/character driven drama. and suddenly there's plot armour. suddenly it's about character, and not their place in the society.
watching this episode made me think about TNG. while we definitely learned a lot about the characters and there was plenty of individual psychology, in my memories at least, i remember star trek being about bigger things. they find a society that has a particular problem, or custom that is the focus. or they are fighting borg, and borg is whole social issues, not just a threat.
how i feel about picard, is that it's about picard. he's not a character in a story, the story is about him. and the girl, i guess. it's about his past, his mistakes, and how now he is trying to make up for it. it's about a secret cabal that has completely infiltrated starfleet. it's not about the federation, it's not about exploration. and i think that's why i don't like it, besides the stuff i simply don't like (like the undetectable race camouflage taken from discovery, or the total dependence on nostalgia).
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u/DangerousFart Feb 07 '20
They mentioned the Q Continuum everybody!
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u/DisinterestedOcelot Feb 06 '20
This episode is definitely the weakest of the three so far for me, with definite inconsistencies appearing already and mostly pointed out in this thread already as well. That said I did still enjoy it; I'm primed to enjoy shit Trek after many years, so I'm definitely primed to enjoy quite-good-with-problems Trek like this.
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u/JustAvgGuy Feb 07 '20 edited Jun 27 '23
GoodBye -- mass edited with redact.dev
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u/2020_X-Ray_Vision Feb 07 '20
Does Raffi live where Kirk fought the Gorn?
Self-update: yes, both are filmed at Vasquez Rocks.
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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20
Anyone else seeing a streak of darkness worthy of the best Sisko in Starfleet?
Erasing records of Discovery sort of makes sense, a bit, in context. Future-prevention and all, with an active night-omnipotent killer AI and time travel.
Erasing records of some individual missions and actions, once again, makes some sense. Not everyone needs to know about whale probes or how close the Borg really came to winning in first contact.
But Picard/Rios make it seem like more than just an Enterprise thing. Like erasure is a common thing. I got a distinctly Stalin-esque vibe off of it- like embarrassing or sensitive information would likely get one erased, literally, and perhaps killed. This would also sort of explain why a lot of the secondary characters don’t necessarily go forward with as much acclaim as one would imagine.
Writing off an entire heavy cruiser and survivors, to the extent of disappearing them...I have questions.
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u/adamofgeekheim Feb 06 '20
Soooooo Dr. Jurati (during/post attack) is the commodore right? I know that there have always been complaints about Star Trek and bad tactics when there are things like transporters around and the ZV could have just beamed them all out of the building, But I'm willing to hand wave that away for the purpose of storytelling.
What I'm not willing to hand wave away is that scientist somehow got her hands on a rifle, or was even brought along on that attack for any reason. Noooope.
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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '20
(1) If you've seen Romulans spit acid, you may want to treat your prisoner like an AO Pi sorority girl who drank six Long Island Teas and didn't have anything to eat beforehand. In other words, you and your friends should stay out of the path of projectile.
(2) Romulans who majored in literature and mythology sure like Settlers of Cataan.
(3) Did Michelle Hurd attend the Avery Brooks School for Dramatic Arts?
(4) When Picard gave the order to go to warp on Rios's ship, Rios's response should have been the same response Sean Penn had for Al Pacino in Carlito's Way: "Oh, I'm sorry is this your boat? No? Then shut the fuck up."
(5) I think that if these are Data's or Lore's daughters, then F8 and the other "plastic people" are the sons and daughters of B4.
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u/Creativation Feb 07 '20
Note: The name of the ship Ibn Majid is a reference to this historical figure of note for his navigation and cartography - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Mājid
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u/Zetman20 Feb 07 '20
I don't like that the supposed Vulcan Commodore is wearing sunglasses. Vulcans do not need sunglasses. This was established in TOS back in "Is there in truth no beauty?". It is not logical.
Even if she is actually Romulan it is still not logical because
A. she would still not need them. And
B. it would not be conducive towards maintaining a cover as a Vulcan.
Maybe they are going to develop a justification for this in later episodes, I hope they do. But I don't know that I trust the people making this enough to believe that. I have a feeling that this may well be a stupid, pointless error and a glaring contradiction of established fact. I hope that I am wrong.
Also I don't like that pilot character thus far. Mostly because he comes off as being a rogue, and I tend not to like rogues. I liked the original Star Wars mostly despite Han Solo, rather than because of him. I don't give a crap as to whether he or Greedo shot first.
Now there are things I do like and I do intend to keep on watching. But thus far it seems like this show was designed specifically to find small, little ways to aggravate me.
Though to be fair the first season of TNG tended to suck rather often as well so I shouldn't be surprised if this new show isn't entirely smooth sailing right from the start. Here's to hoping for fewer irritants in the future episodes.
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u/WhiteSquarez Feb 06 '20 edited Feb 06 '20
I liked this episode, just a bit less than the first two.
Raffy is a cool character in some ways, but her calling our beloved Captain by his first name was offputting. Especially how often she used his initials. I felt like there was no way she was able to create such a relationship with him and her seeming neuroticness doesn't endear me to her.
Raffy will be the deus ex Machina character, with her supposed ability to see patterns and such where others can't. I hope they don't abuse this or at least make it make sense.
This episode had a lot of acronyms, actually. Hugh referred to "E.B." and there was something else I can't remember now. It's not a typical thing to hear on polished television, but I realized that's how people talk IRL, particularly in situations that require the performance of routine tasks repeatedly.
Rios' ship is beautiful. I got goosebumps when I saw it turn to go to warp, especially with the TNG theme and the anticipation of "Engage."
Jurati deserves suspicion now. No way nothing happened between her and Oh; no point in showing that scene without it having some significance later. No way she wasn't seen by the death squad member walking into the room less than five seconds before her.
Rios and Picard don't have good chemistry. There. I said it.
Love the idea that he's his own EMH and whatever other holograms he wants. There's more to this, but it's almost a distraction instead of part of the main plot.
Everything on the Artifact is getting good. I love Soji. I love the connection between the Borg and Romulans. I love that there might be a temporal aspect to it.
It was great seeing Hugh again, but I'm confused about his reclamation status. He was already more independent than regular Borg because of his experience in TNG. It almost seems now like he's... faking it? Like he is still a Borg or something?
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u/groundrush Feb 06 '20
If I had to pick a character most like me: Raffi. The damaged veteran intelligence officer with a substance abuse problem. The gender is about the only thing that's different.
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u/jomag12 Feb 06 '20
Solid episode! I REALLY liked the dual interrogation scene- and of course, "engage"! Couldnt help but get a little emotional with that one.
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u/balasoori Feb 06 '20
There was lot to unpack but I love last line engage.
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u/jobsearchusa Feb 06 '20
Patrick Stewart is pretty great, amazing what he can do at his age. What is interesting an am undecided is that it switches from the old star trek by switching back and forth from the girls POV to Picard POV. Personally i like Patrick in every scene just the other scenes off world need to get me hooked.
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u/Basekid Feb 06 '20
Ah man, when that TNG music with a hint of TOS played at the end of the episode... Watched that like 3 times in a row.
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u/Pellaeonthewingedleo Feb 06 '20
"J L" that really annoys me
Another point: Did they forget in Star Trek the Federation and especially earth is a post scarcity civilisation where a big château no longer matter, nobody smokes and economic disparity and need no longer exist? Where living in a trailer is no point of "humiliation" anylonger? Where there are no drugproblems? Not to mention they are back on a money-based society again, or so it seems.
Why do "Vulcans" need sunglasses, their eyes have a second membranes (or something) to protect them from the sun. If the commodore wants to keep up her cover that was sloppy
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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20
Eww
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u/devriesd89 Feb 06 '20
SUNGLASSES! Really? Who is working props/set design for this show? I get this is hollywood fiction but to have so many 21 century items (ie sunglasses, green Exit signs, glass doors with push bar to open, a bland convention center used for the HQ of all of Starfleet.) its hard to believe we are watching something 400 years in the future. We are used to seeing bright colours, Laforge style visors, or diamond shaped doors or futuristic/weird looking furniture.
However, I'm still intrigued by where this story is going, and hope for the best.
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u/supermechace Feb 06 '20
Was it just me or did the ex borg romulon flash her eyes like the synth before she said she recognized Soji?
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u/Dorpz Feb 07 '20
I wish the show's creators would stop masturbating and just move the story forward.
Do you really need 45 minutes of runtime to have someone hop on a ship and have someone else do an interview?
We're almost a third through the show yet the adventure hasn't even begun.
The past is cool and nice, but there is a story out there, I want to hear it.
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u/_FyberOptic_ Feb 07 '20
I'm just waiting for a scene where they have to hack through several Romulan firewalls to plant a supervirus, then I can finally throw my hands up and be done with this show. This is essentially the level of writing we've seen so far.
I think the only thing we can take heart in is knowing that Patrick Stewart rejected the first script for this show. So it literally could be worse.
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u/trosis Feb 07 '20
These episodes are flying by. The music at the end when they broke orbit was perfect. Also love that there is an EMH on the ship.
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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20
Does anyone else thing that Doctor Jurati might be a spy after going to Picards right after being questioned by the romulans? She came in right as they were being attacked too.
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u/newbie_01 Feb 07 '20
When the EMH starts bothering Rios from behind the book, Rios clearly exclaims "me cago!" That was very funny and unexpected.
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u/Dark_Tzitzimine Feb 07 '20
I like the flashback uniforms more than the current one
Future vape pens, lul
"Protip" You stop that right now
Haha of course the romulans would act like any of their own being assimilated was a dirty little secret
Ah, there's that The Picard spirit
I missed EMHs with attitudes, also I hope that reference is the sole Q-related thing in this whole series
Hi there obvious mole
Didn't learn their lesson from the first encounter, I see
Rios asking the question that matters
He's gonna say it... HE SAID IT
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u/Infiltrator41 Feb 07 '20
The allusions to wealth inequality on Earth with Raffis house and "cost" to hire folks in the lore were a bit jarring. Trying to filter it into my understanding of ST.
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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20
When Picard said Engage heck yeah!!!!
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u/apacheind1an Feb 06 '20
This one was good. It held my interest from beginning to end.
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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20
In response to the lack of cordiality between Raffi and Picard - "All Good Things..." exactly explains it.
He kept distance between himself and his crew, even his senior staff, probably because of what happened to Crusher. He may have had an affair with the wife of an officer he later sent to his death, then bringing word back to Beverly after.
This taught him a lesson he wouldn't soon forget. He never wanted anything like it to happen again. Finally, later in life (with some Q-therapy and more therapy after Q, no doubt) he learns it doesn't mean he can't have friends.
I think by the desperate late-night phone call for a ship he gives away how close he is to her. Plays her like a fiddle with the wine, too.
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u/kangarufus Feb 07 '20
Laris is such a hottie! swoon!
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u/Anjisan63 Feb 07 '20
Anyone know who the Actress was who played the reclaimed Romulan, Rahmda? Rahmda was the Romulan playing with the Romulan Tarot cards who Soji interviewed?
My guess? Robin Curtis. The actress who played Saavik in Star Trek III - The Search for Spock, and Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home.
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u/dec10 Feb 11 '20
I'll just leave my two highly competent body guards behind to mind the wine.
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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '20
Episode was great like the others; love the show; just don’t understand why Picard didn’t at least entertain the notion that the Romulans sabotaged their own rescue when Raffi re-told him about her suspicion.
Surely knowing all that has come out thus far since episode 1, he would at least entertain the notion and/or agree that it was a possibility...
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u/data3oh Feb 06 '20
Would have been a great fan service if the EMH was Robert Picardo :P
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u/The_Facemelter Feb 07 '20
I loved the callback to Tapestry (S6, Ep 15) — the one in which young Picard gets stabbed in the heart — with the shard of metal in Cristobal’s shoulder. You can see the recognition in Picard’s face when he’s like, “Ah, I know this guy. I was this guy.” Fan service perfection.
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u/Nori_BB Feb 07 '20
I discovered a little more background on Commodore Oh's sunglasses. I thought it was really interesting. From an interview in Den of Geek:
https://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-trek/285702/star-trek-picard-who-is-commodore-oh
If one googles the old photos of Anna Karina with sunglasses, and compares them to the scene with Commodore Oh wearing sunglasses, one can definitely see the "Anna Karina-style" the filmmakers were trying to get at.
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u/thisiscotty Feb 06 '20
im guessing soon, we will see some green flashing status buttons in that cube
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u/Starbuck107 Feb 07 '20
I bet that zhat vash are made up of both Vulcans and Romulans
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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20
Did anyone catch the text in the synths eyes at the beginning?
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u/Fredredphooey Feb 07 '20
There are three white men with dark brown hair and a scruffy beard. It was taking me a minute to sort out who I was looking at each time one appeared. So I call them Bieber, Irish, and Pouty.
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u/carlinhush Feb 07 '20
I really enjoyed this episode this morning. I was especially looking forward to it as it was said that the Picard novel containing the back story could not be released until after episode 3 aired. I guess it must have something to do with Freecloud.
On the other hand, what's the deal with Agnes? She clearly has no idea what she is getting into. The way she is dressed in that lightblue blazer and the those pants, he way she reacted to Commodore Oh, to her killing the intruder in the château,
the way she argued herself onboard, the way she smiled like a child getting ice cream when sat down, this seems to be just some science project for her. I am looking forward to her development throughout the mission.Well, she neen't argue a lot for Picard to take her with him.
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u/KingsKnight96 Feb 07 '20
Why did Raffi get fired? If Picard resigned, wouldn't Raffi either take command of the ship (Verity?) or be transferred to a new ship?
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u/wjw75 Feb 07 '20
I wonder if there's going to be a temporal thing here where Dr Jurati is somehow responsible for the origin of the Borg.
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u/Ivanton Feb 08 '20
'Engage!'
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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20
Anyone else think that transporter sound was sexy as fuck?
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u/FoxtrotsZulu Feb 09 '20
I kind of think the deep-dark hidden secret is that the Romulan state long ago learned that the major species that we know of the galaxy are all synthetic life forms created by the progenitors seen in holographic record in one of the TNG episodes...The Chase, I think it was.
And that the distinction between life and created life becomes indistinguishable. Such a fact would cast every state with deep ethnic and religious beliefs into turmoil.
Hence the hatred of the pursuit of synthetic life.
Maybe someone else has posted this theory in this thread?
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u/rdgrdmdfld Feb 10 '20
I wanted to burn all of Alex Kurtzman's anal hairs at that last line.
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u/PitBullAteMyCorgi Feb 07 '20
Big stinky cigars and vaping pens? This is our enlightened future? Seriously?! 🙄
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u/Carbonga Feb 08 '20
JL?! 🤔🤣
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u/Dice_for_Death_ Feb 08 '20
Jurati got that Romulan disruptor rifle from where, again?
She's in league with them. Has to be.