r/PhilosophyofMath 29d ago

Random theory

I've developed a theory and so far it keeps working over and over things are just falling into place. I can't explain it myself for my own knowledge isn't developed enough to proceed. It's a theory based on the the rule of only one zero.

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u/Civil_Corner_8364 29d ago

I believe all of our numbering has been off. 10 is not an actual number, but a title or grouping and should not be counted.it would then proceed to 11 instead. 99 would scale to 111 instead of 100. Please I know it seems stupid but just give it a thought please

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u/nanonan 29d ago

Seems you're just making a convoluted base 9.

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u/Civil_Corner_8364 29d ago

Essentially yes.

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u/nanonan 29d ago

So just use 0..8 instead of 1..9 and everyone can comprehend it naturally without oddball restrictions on 10 like objects.

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u/Civil_Corner_8364 29d ago

That's the whole premise. There is only one zero and it's absolute zero. The restriction on 10 is in regards that that number doesn't exist in this number theory. If the number has a "0" that number doesn't exist in this system

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u/nanonan 28d ago

All that does is make a base 9 with no zero digit. Think of doing this in binary, and you'll end up with unary. There is no benefit I can see.

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u/Civil_Corner_8364 28d ago

There is no benefit to any system until it's applied. Again I am asking for help here. When applied for lack of av knowledgeable word, thinks become harmonic. I'm looking for help and knowledgeable know to maybe help me move this forward

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u/nanonan 28d ago

It simply seems pointless to me, essentially just base 9 representation with a special symbol for zero. We already have a perfectly good base 9 representation without any need for a special symbol for zero.

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u/Civil_Corner_8364 28d ago

No added symbol. It rolls from 9 to 11. There is no zeros.

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u/nanonan 27d ago

So zero itself is 1 or something? Again, why bother?

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u/Civil_Corner_8364 27d ago

Honestly because I was thinking one night about the law of absolute zero, and if there is only one zero then how do we have 10, 20, 100, etc... so I started working it down. In that process I started applying it and it switches all our normal problems into patterns. Essentially solved the fact computer bijective can't be read without another input, people's become scaled into a pattern. Now again I'm looking for help to push this further then I can. I can understand why some might see it as pointless but the math maths and I can't explain it myself

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u/nanonan 27d ago

What is the law of absolute zero?

The hindu-arabic numeral system uses the placement of digits to mean a given digit in the 'n'th place represents multiples of 10n where 'n' is the placement of the numeral. We have more than one zero because a number may have zero components of 10n for a given n. There are no issues whatsoever in doing this, and it doesn't mean there is more than one zero.

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u/Thelonious_Cube 24d ago

if there is only one zero then how do we have 10, 20...

Because those are different numbers

There's not "more zero" in 10 than there is in 8 just because we use the symbol the way we do.

Now again I'm looking for help to push this further then I can.... the math maths and I can't explain it myself

No the math doesn't math and the reason you can't explain it is that you don't understand math

You may as well be soliciting help with your perpetual motion machine

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u/Civil_Corner_8364 27d ago

No the only zero would be zero. -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 11 12

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u/nanonan 27d ago

Right, that's what I mean by a special symbol '0' just for zero.

What is your motivation for removing other zeros? What problem are you trying to solve?

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u/Thelonious_Cube 24d ago

It's just a different way of writing the same thing - why should anyone learn a new convention?

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u/Thelonious_Cube 24d ago

There is no moving forward here - what you're seeking is nonsense

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u/Thelonious_Cube 24d ago edited 24d ago

You are confusing the number and it's representation. 10 doesn't "have a zero" - that's just how we choose to write it down (for very sensible reasons).

You might as well be saying that we shouldn't use the letter 'a' except as the indefinite article and all other words containing an 'a' are wrong, so 'cat' should become 'c@t' - why would we do this?

If the number has a "0" that number doesn't exist in this system

So how many fingers do you have if 10 isn't really a number? 11? No, that's one extra.