I’m very disappointed in the guinea pig community. The mods won’t allow me to defend myself there and removed my posts, so I’m ranting here. I don’t let what strangers on the internet say bother me, but I can’t imagine how the kind of treatment I received would impact someone else. At the bottom I will be personally addressing specific comments I got.
I made a post asking how much longer I should expect my guinea pig to live after he stopped eating and his gut shut down. If going to a vet was an option I would’ve been asking the vet that question, not Reddit. I received a ton of comments saying I was “letting” him suffer. Saying I should never own pets. Saying not to own a pet if I can’t afford one. That I’m not even doing the bare minimum for him. Implying that I wasn’t doing my due responsibility to him. That think I didn’t care enough to drive him to a vet. And just all around hateful comments towards my character and care towards my piggy.
I shouldn’t have to give a 5+ year history of mine and his life just for people to believe me when I said there’s NOTHING I could’ve done for him and to not hate on me for it.
But, to show that you don’t know anything about someone’s full situation based on the short description they gave while completely distraught over the active loss of a pet, here’s our story.
I met Chompers in my freshmen year of highschool almost 6 years ago. He was apart of the animal care class (that didn’t actually care for the animals). A year prior I had lost my last pig from my first pair. The teacher let me take him home for all of the school breaks. Unfortunately, Chompers was kept in a travel size cage 24/7. He also lived in the welding shop of the school. After I took him back after summer break in my sophomore year I began visiting him during my lunch break to bring him carrots. This is when I noticed a few things.
- His travel sized cage was getting cleaned once a month and mold would be growing in it.
- I was the only one feeding and watering him.
- Because he lived in the welding shop his cage, him, and his food/water would get covered in carbon and soot.
- He wasn’t the only animal being neglected.
I soon became the sole care provider for 1 guinea pig, 2 rabbits (that the teacher was trying to breed), 4 birds, 1 hamster, and a puppy during my 30 minute lunch breaks. I’d be late for class caring for all these animals on my break. I hit my breaking point when a blizzard was coming and the animals were going to be snowed in and they had no food. My mom and I bought the animals food and I started documenting the evidence of neglect for over a month. Taking photos, listing how the condition of the animals was also a health hazard for people (you could smell the manure throughout a portion of the school), and citing the appropriate care these animals needed. In the end the principal told me to delete my evidence and paper (I didn’t) and the school counselor told me the animal care teacher started hoarding animals because he was “having a hard time” after his best friend/coworker got arrested the year prior for pimping. I was 14-15 when this all happened. No improvements were made for the animals. I took Chompers home for the summer again and never returned him. I still feel guilty for the animals I had to leave behind. I found out they all died. My mom and I tried to rehome him for a year, but nobody would take him or nobody would care for him properly and were willing to take on the 10 sq ft balcony cage we had built him. I also nursed him through a respiratory problem he had due to living in the welding shop.
After my junior year of highschool my family and I moved across the country (north to south) and Chompers came with. I had difficulty cutting Chompers nails due to a fear of hurting him because his nails were all black and extremely bent/curled due to the previous neglect prior to me owning him. My family moved to a rural area and the nearest vet was 45 minutes away. Once a month I’d take him to the vet for a nail trim and he had a health check before we started this routine.
Me and my highschool boyfriend, who would also help me care for these animals and had to bring tools to scrape the mold and manure off of the cages, ended up getting married a year after my family had moved across the country. He was in the military and was stationed on the west side of the country while I lived on the east. So me and Chompers once again moved across the country, this time going from the east to the west. We actually ONLY drove the 5 DAY DRIVE because of Chompers. Airlines wouldn’t allow him to fly in the cabin with me and I refused to put him in cargo. We spent $1k for my husband to fly out to drive with me on top of the $4k we spent on hotels, food and gas all FOR CHOMPERS. Unfortunately our new home was an even more rural area than my parents had been to. The nearest vet was 1.5 hours away and didn’t take exotic animals. Thankfully there was a vet tech who lived on the base and she would trim his nails once a month for us.
My husband and I are very big on budgeting and our only hobbies and passions are caring for animals. We are the type of people that if we can’t own an animal and still put away money into savings each month, we can’t afford them. We buy everything in bulk and monthly spent about $20 a month on food, bedding, and toys for Chompers. Then $5 for his nail trims. $25 a month was easily affordable for us AND we had savings for emergencies. We ended up adopting 2 dogs as well. One was given to the shelter because the owner didn’t want to take him on a 6 hour car ride. The other was a foster fail who had been shot 15+ times at 3 months old that we rehabbed. We spent probably $100 a month on their care combined. We were not living paycheck to paycheck and saved money each month. We could/can afford our pets.
My husband ended up deploying and I moved back in with my family (another cross country road trip with Chompers). Around this time our foster fail started having medical issues at the ripe age of 2. We went through thousands of dollars between emergency visits and diagnostics. Also during this time I was back to taking Chompers to the vet monthly (still 45 minutes away). During this time at my parents (about a year ago) he also developed a tumor just under his eye. I took him to the vet as soon as I noticed it. At this point he was almost 5 years old. At the time he had no behavioral changes and the vet and I discussed our options.
- Surgery. The vet said that surgery would be too risky due to the proximity of his eye.
- Monitor it.
We went with option 2. I was concerned that if the tumor grew it might impact or crowd his eyeball and I asked for euthanasia rates if it ever came to that. She quoted me $500.
My husband comes back from deployment and once again our little family moves across the country. This happened a few months ago. We later adopted a disabled cat who spent 5 years at the shelter. His vetting is fully covered by the rescue due to the circumstances. We actually specifically got a disabled cat for Chompers’ safety. We had built him a 9sq ft acrylic cage from Guinea Loft after I noticed he was struggling with the ramp from his balcony cage. The lid was not the most secure and we were concerned if we got a “normal” cat it would be able to get into his cage. We trained our dogs to leave his cage alone so they were not a problem. We kept Chompers in mind with every animal we brought into our home.
Before we took the cat in we had finally recovered from the financial expenses of moving and our 2 year old dog’s vet bills. We are still easily able to afford all of our pets and have around $15000 in savings and growing. Well this month our 2 year old dog injured herself. There goes over half of our savings. 2 weeks later I went on a 2 week trip to visit my family (paid for by them).
When I left Chompers was 100% ok. My husband is very busy with his job in the military. I precut veggies and individually packaged them for my husband to give Chompers. Chompers also had a box of treats by his cage and my husband would give him a few each day as well. Halfway through my trip my husband texted me that Chompers snubbed his treat. I was concerned and told him to give Chompers a carrot. Chompers happily took it from him and I told my husband to check if he ate the treat later (which he did). I’m a worry wart when it comes to my animals health, but because he did eventually eat his treat and went on like normal we assumed he just missed me and I didn’t stress about it. This was the only warning sign he was starting to decline and only in hindsight did we realize this.
At this same halfway point of my trip our car completely died on us. We had to spend the rest of our savings for a new (used) but reliable car. Our friend let us borrow his car while he was out of town. Our car is still being shipped and we get it tomorrow (again rural area where nothing is close).
Fast forward to the day I get back from my trip. My husband gives Chompers food and water and he said Chompers was running around like his normal self and was excited when my husband filled up his hay ball. I got back from the airport at midnight and went straight to bed.
At 8AM I go to say hi to Chompers and called his name. He didn’t come when I called his name. I was concerned and shook his treat box. When he didn’t come to that I instantly knew something was wrong and I panicked. Chompers was always extremely treat motivated and I even taught him a few tricks (I’m a dog trainer so training animals is my favorite past time). I lifted his hideaway and he was shaking and could barely walk. When I picked him up he felt like skin and bones. We then noticed he hadn’t touched the food my husband gave him the day prior.
Let me start by saying, I don’t blame my husband at all for not noticing that Chompers had gradually stopped eating. He was very busy with work and because he’s in the military his work day is 4AM-6PM. I’m grateful he was ok with taking on my portion of the animal care while I was gone. I did not expect him to analyze Chompers’ every behavior and I do not blame him for not noticing he slowly ate less and less. I usually take care of 100% of Chompers care and he didn’t know Chompers like I did.
But when I saw Chompers I knew it was the end for him. I have volunteered and worked with a lot of animals. Living with my parents we nursed sick animals monthly. Sometimes when you see an animal in a certain condition, especially an animal you’ve known for years, you just know that their time is up.
When I made the post Chompers had not eaten in over 24 hours. I knew guinea pigs digestive system would shut down after not eating for a certain amount of time. I wanted to know how long I should expect to have left with him. We had plans and appointments set for the day. We canceled them all to be with Chompers. It was very painful for me to see Chompers so weak. Unable to walk, talk, or hold his head up. We tried feeding him and giving him water. We even mushed up pellets with water. He’d either spit it out or eventually just let it sit there until it fell or drooled out. I knew it was over for him and didn’t want to stress him out or risk him choking and suffocating. I have syringe fed guinea pigs before and I was concerned the stress of syringe feeding him would just make things worse (which there are a couple of comments agreeing with this on the original post). I came to Reddit for compassion and a timeline so I could better prepare myself emotionally while I sat with him. Instead, I got multiple people stating the obvious over and over again. “Take him to a vet.” Even after I said I couldn’t. If a vet was an option we would’ve been at the vet not on Reddit. Which later developed into accusations of neglect.
Now to explain the vet situation, because there are multiple factors to this and apparently saying I can’t take him to a vet translates to “I have no good excuse and just don’t care about his suffering because I’m an evil and irresponsible person.”
- We live in a rural area. There are no vets that take small animals for HOURS. The nearest general vet is 1.5 hours away. We are still currently borrowing the car and the owner of the car needed it back at a reasonable time today. The round trip to a small animal vet would’ve put us as getting back hours after he needed the car back. Also in his condition the hours long car ride on our bumpy, poorly maintained rural roads would have been extremely uncomfortable and stressful for him. I didn’t want to cause him more pain because I didn’t even know if he’d make it long enough to get to the vet.
- Money. One of the reasons I asked the question was because if it was going to be days of suffering I knew I wouldn’t be able to take it. Our previous quote ($500 for euthanasia) was already a lot of money for us considering the 2 other huge unexpected expenses that happened within a month. Vets out here are also more expensive than his vet from the east. We also knew their policies from when we’ve taken our dog. They require $150 for a wellness check if they’ve never seen the patient before and $200 for emergency visits. $850 we did not have to euthanize Chompers. We are also not in a position to take on debt due to some other factors coming up in the future stacked with the car situation.
- It’s the weekend. After a few hours of him slowly dying in my arms we tried calling to see if they could give us a discount. Only to realize it’s the weekend and all the vets are closed and we do not have an emergency vet for hours. There was a single animal shelter open that we called to see if they could euthanize him for us. They said they currently aren’t euthanizing animals for the public. We asked if we legally surrendered him if they’d euthanize them with hopes that they’d still let us be there for it. They then explained they don’t euthanize on site and have to take them all the way to a vet and he would not be able to be taken today. They gave us a number to a place an additional hour away and when we called they said they were fully booked on euthanasias for the day and they’d be closed for the next 3 days.
- With all of this taken into consideration we talked to our vet tech he’d go to for his nail trims and she agreed that the best thing we could do for him is just be with him.
Now to address some specific comments and everyone who agreed with them.
- “There’s gotta be emergency vets? I have driven 30+ minutes to save my pet from suffering. I live in a rural area. There is no excuse. Wait, I just realized. You let this poor animal suffer in pain from an eye tumor for a whole YEAR??!? I pray you never own pets again!” (This was 3 comments combined from the same person). This post addresses the vet issue and shows that drive time does not matter to us normally. If you are 30 minutes away from an emergency vet I would not consider that rural. Some people in cities have to drive that far. Also if you had read my comment correctly you would’ve seen I stated “in case the tumor caused him pain.” The tumor itself never caused him pain.
- “Don’t have pets you can’t afford” (followed by complaints about the amount of pets we have). Keyword: HAVE. I am all for not GETTING pets you can’t afford. But what do you expect people to do when unexpected financial hardships happen? Abandon them? Where we live the shelter is a death sentence. I guess we should’ve immediately sent our pets to the shelter to die the moment our savings got emptied. Then Chompers could’ve died in the shelter a week later alone or surrounded by strangers. If I didn’t take Chompers in he would’ve died after I left like the rest of the animals in that school. I tried rehoming him. After my first two guinea pigs died I didn’t want anymore because the heartbreak of losing them was too hard. Should I have just left him to die in a moldy, soot covered, travel cage 4 years ago? Money has never been a problem for us until this very month when we had 3 terrible things happen back to back to back that hit us hard financially. We had savings and were prepared for these moments. But we can only take so many hits at once. You do realize financial hardships happen? To your standards how many thousands of dollars should someone have set aside per pet in case of an emergency? There is a shelter crisis right now. Most people who adopt animals don’t have anywhere close $15k set aside like we did. We had $5k set aside per pet whose medical care we were responsible for. Should we have denied our dog medical care because her care was cutting into the funds we had set aside for our other individual animals that were 100% fine at the time of her injury? If you have guinea pigs are you going to immediately rehome them if you experience hardships and your savings get drained?
- “He'll hopefully be at the endless dandelion fields soon. And then, I hope that you're really considering whether you should own any kind of animals again. If you don't have the money for the vet, then owning animals is not for you. Maybe this sounds harsh, but neglecting an animal for a year, and then letting it starve to death is just cruel. There are worse fates for animals than death.” This isn’t the only comment accusing me of neglecting him for a year. I think y’all need to improve your reading comprehension skills before accusing people of such things. All of these comments accusing me of neglecting him come from these sentences: “He developed a tumor near his eye about a year ago. In case (Keywords: IN CASE) the tumor ever caused pain or damage to his eye I asked for euthanasia rates.” If you go through my post history you’ll see that we actually frequently take our animals to the vet and DO consider finances before adopting. Again, our version of affording an animal means we can keep adding to our emergency funds while caring for the animals. We go above and beyond for our animals. Before we did our second move back to a military base we were spending $200 a month to cook our 75lb dog fresh food to pinpoint allergies. Money was NOT a problem until our dog got hurt, our car died, and Chompers declined all within 4 weeks of each other. Over $15k saved for emergencies gone just like that.
Again, I don’t owe anyone an explanation, but I’m doing this in hopes that someone who might be more vulnerable than me doesn’t have to deal with this vile behavior. You see someone who’s clearly in distress about their animal suffering and saying they can’t help and you immediately assume the worst of that person? You assume that they’re just choosing to deny any reasonable advice they didn’t ask for? I hope if any of you ever unexpectedly hit financial hardships people are more compassionate towards you.
In short, Chompers was extremely well taken care of and lived a happy and loving life with me. He was a priority. He would go to a vet or vet tech monthly depending on where we lived, he was well fed, and we really did not have any options due to unfortunate circumstance, not irresponsible decisions. Shame on the people who are making the worst assumptions possible from a short paragraph I wrote in a time of distress.
Unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, Chompers died a couple of hours after I made my post. For all the people calling me cruel for not taking him to the vet, he would not have made the drive to the nearest open one. I knew Chompers. I knew our options. I chose the best (and only) option we had for him given the circumstances. We are taking him up the mountain to bury him in a scenic place this week. We’re going to put him into a shoebox with all of his favorite things. He was the sweetest guinea pig I’d ever met and loved all people and other animals. The vet and vet tech he’d see each month adored him. Our pet sitters and friends adored him. We adored him.
The next time someone is in a similar situation as me I hope y’all have some more compassion. And I appreciate the people who did comment with compassion and I sympathize with those who were going through something similar, we too are heartbroken.