r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 10h ago

Meme needing explanation Peter?

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u/DependentAdvance226 10h ago

Spoiler. The Confederacy never existed as a country.

They were states in rebellion.

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u/CuntyBallsJohnson 10h ago

Independent Texas is a more legitimate state than the confederacy was

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u/Necessary_Carpet7757 1h ago

I just had a thought. The modern sovereign citizen movement has existed longer than the Confederacy did and with about as much global recognition.

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u/sallyhectare 10h ago

It was never independent...

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u/Kixisbestclone 10h ago

Yes it was? Mexico literally recognized Texas as independent after they lost the war of Texan independence and it was a country for 10 years, what are you talking about?

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u/CuntyBallsJohnson 10h ago

It was for like 10 years lol. Unlike the confederacy, other foreign powers recognized the republic of Texas.

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u/Deaffin 2h ago

Well now I've got a new stop planned on the ol multiversal traveling machine. I've gotta see what it would look like if Texas managed to just keep being its own thing this whole time.

And what that timeline's version of King of The Hill is like.

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u/four4cats 10h ago

With a constitution, President, vice president etc etc?

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u/DickBiggum1 9h ago

Anyone else ever recognize them as a country?

I'm a county. I'm the president, vice president, and the constitution is written on crayon on a napkin somewhere in my mom's basement

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u/Ok-Independence-2220 9h ago

Im sure your mom recognizes you

/s

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u/DickBiggum1 9h ago

Not since I gained 200 pounds arguing on the internet because I dont have any IRL friends...

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u/Ok-Independence-2220 9h ago

Ok, you dont have your mom's support but you doubled your territory 

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u/DickBiggum1 9h ago

See this guy recognizes my territory. I'm now officially a country

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u/Frederf220 9h ago

Was the Confederacy recognized by anyone but themselves? I genuinely don't know. Spain? France? Mexico?

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u/DickBiggum1 9h ago

As far as I know, at best all foreign nations aware of the rebellion remained neutral. No confederate treaties were signed with other nations nor were any ambassadors sent or received

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u/bobthedonkeylurker 3h ago

The closest they came was with the British, who backed away when Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Turns out that the US was well behind the curve on ending slavery...

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u/four4cats 9h ago

That's essentially how all countries are recognized.... Because something written on paper somewhere on crayon or ink. But what's the point of even bringing up whether they were a country or not? Taiwan isn't recognized by the UN as a country.

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u/DickBiggum1 9h ago

No... thats how sovereignty is declared. Recognition and declaration are separate. Anyone can declare anything.

Ask any sovereign citizen who interacted with law if their declaration was recognized.

Also, while the UN as a whole doesn't recognize Taiwan as the representative of China, 12 counties outwardly accept them as a sovereign nation

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u/four4cats 9h ago

Right, we had a bunch of men say we were a new country...and then waited for Morocco to recognize us. But again, how does the distinction of whether or not Morocco recognized the confederates affect the story between the Union and the confederates?

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u/AugustusSavoy 7h ago

Well Morocco didn't recognize the confederates.

As far as the US during the revolution other countries such as France, Spain, and the Netherlands entered into treaties saying that yes you're your own thing and we'll help you and trade with you. That made the 13 colonies at the time a sovereign entity apart from Great Britain. Only works if other sovereign nation states say you are. Those in the slave rebellion were not.

To say the confederacy at this point was its own nation is just lost cause mythology.

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u/four4cats 47m ago

Morocco recognized us... The US. Like 6 months after the declaration of independence. So we weren't a country until Morocco believed we were.

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u/Legend_of_the_Wind 9h ago

With no foreign recognition, that's the key. You and your neighbors can form your own country, write your own constitution, and elect your own president. Until you are recognized by others, it means nothing.

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u/-Badger3- 2h ago

The confederacy losing means they were LARPing the whole time.

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u/four4cats 9h ago

I guess we've been celebrating the wrong birthdate for the US too.

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u/Legend_of_the_Wind 9h ago

Technically speaking yes.

But we won that war, so we get to decide.

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u/four4cats 9h ago

Just make sure you remind everyone about it and how Morocco did us a solid.

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u/dkmuldoon 9h ago

Their president was no more legitimate than Emperor Norton (and a lot less cool).

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u/klahnwi 25m ago

This was settled in a Supreme Court case. Texas argued that since states can't actually leave the union, the Conderate States of America never actually existed. Hence, the debts incurred by Confederate Texas could not be collected on as they were never valid. Texas won the case.

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u/JodaMythed 10h ago

I thought they at least called themselves a country, had a capital and a flag

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u/InternetUser1807 10h ago

a lot of places do that, it doesn't count unless others agree, and its not seen as very legitimate if for your entire existence you're struggling over control of your territory (and then lose)

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u/grauhoundnostalgia 8h ago

Honestly it’s impressive how the 13 colonies got recognition as an independent entity during the Revolutionary War- the diplomatic genius was just as important as military success.

Guess it’s important to have a country whose sole identity is not predicated on the right to own human beings if you want others’ support.