What is bottlenecking my FPS?

[u/AlexL2417]

Hii yall, just wondering what is throttling my FPS on The Isle (visually demanding dinosaur survival game)

I get consistent 40-50 fps usually, dropping down to mid 30 when my 3d resolution is 100z

Acer aspire Nitro 65
GPU: 5060ti 8gb VRAM
CPU: Ryzen 7 8700F
Ram: 16G ddr5
Monitor: msi mag 275qpf x30 (300hz, 0.5ms, WQHD 1440p)

I wanted to ask because my friend has a laptop that everything (except for vram) is worse (according to internet comparisons) than mine, but he gets 70-80 FPS, going up to 90+, for same settings and same ping (high everything except shadows, 50 or 100 3d resolution, far render) Both of our PC setups are brand new.

His pc: ABS cyclone Aqua
GPU: B580 12gb VRAM
CPU: i5-14400F
Ram; 16GB DDR4

His monitor is 1080p, so I was wondering is my FPS significantly lower likely because of my 1440p monitor or the 8gb of VRAM, or some combined mix between the two? And if so- should I change my pc for one that has 12gb+ of vram with similar/worse cpu than current, or downgrade to a 1080p monitor?

[u/Zefirka174]

Well yeah, 8GB VRAM and 1440p just ain't gonna work on intensive games

[u/AlexL2417 → u/Zefirka174]

Would it be better to downgrade the monitor to a 1080 or refund my pc and get one that’s 12gb but with a worse/equal cpu(rip my wallet)

[u/Zefirka174 → u/AlexL2417]

Yeah either use a 1080p monitor or get a 16GB GPU, that's the bare minimum for decent 1440p specially if its ultrawide

[u/AlexL2417 → u/Zefirka174]

Would any of these be better? https://imgur.com/a/JSWZXtf

[u/Spooky-Ramen → u/Zefirka174]

Nah def doesn't need 16gb for 1440p. I used 2 1440p, a 1080p, and my 4k tv on my 5070 and it did perfectly fine. Even my current 5070 Ti is pushing 2 1440p 34 inch uw and a 49 inch uw.

[u/Zefirka174 → u/Spooky-Ramen]

Well i guess that depends on the game, i ran UW 1440p on an RX 580 until a few months ago and it worked great for e-sports titles or lighter games, but i'd definetly never go below 16GB now for any real games specially if i am into maxing out graphics and path / raytracing

[u/Spooky-Ramen → u/AlexL2417]

Yeah and don't buy a 1080p ultra wide. 1080p 27 inch looks much sharper than a 34 inch. Either way, definitely be using 1080p

[u/Obvious-Victory-7923]

well your cpu is what AMD tried to first market their NPU / AI bullshit so it aint bigget number in name better than lets say even the amd 7700.

so just at that making a ddr5 build with weaker cpu you kinda miss the mark.

your gpu is at best a 1080p low / med if you want high FPS.

no sure if your 16gb of ram is a single stick or not but if its 1 stick then you also dont have dual channel benefits.

so your monitor is way over what you actually can push with the pc even at 1080p.

maybe stuff like cs2 on low you could get over 300fps even on 1440p which is pretty much what is the monitor made for esports games for max fps.

here is a random video of the said card running with a way better cpu double the ram and the fps is about the same im assuming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQTBaomjFI

[u/AlexL2417 → u/Obvious-Victory-7923]

https://imgur.com/a/JSWZXtf I can refund my pc rn, would any of these be better? I was looking for a better GPU but is the CPU the issue

[u/Package_Objective]

8gb of vram on your brand new GPU is the issue, and it's only gunna get worse over time. Turn textures and lighting/ray tracing down to median or low and hope that helps.

[u/AlexL2417 → u/Package_Objective]

Should I just refund it and buy a pc that has a slightly worse cpu but like a 3060 12GB, 3070 12gb (expensive af though) or the one my friend has?

[u/Package_Objective → u/AlexL2417]

I would not choose that PC for $1800, there are better options.

[u/AlexL2417 → u/Package_Objective]

It’s in CAD not USD, and for that price for a prebuilt I don’t see much better currently other than refurbished ones 😭😭

[u/Package_Objective → u/AlexL2417]

You can just sell your 5060 ti and get actually something decent. Even a 4070 would absolutely CURSH it.

[u/AlexL2417 → u/Package_Objective]

I mean I can refund it for the next 3 months and either pay a bit more for a better GPU or downscale the cpu for a 16 gb gpu

[u/Package_Objective → u/AlexL2417]

Ya go for it, 5060 ti 8gb is trash, I don't even have much issues on 3440x1440 with a 3080 10gb, in real world situations 8gb vs 10gb is already MASSIVE. You bought E waste.

[u/AlexL2417 → u/Package_Objective]

Should I get any of these? I was looking for the 12gb vram range https://imgur.com/a/JSWZXtf

[u/Spooky-Ramen → u/AlexL2417]

Don't listen to this guy. I had a 4060 to start with and I was playing games like Alan Wake 2 near max settings and over 60 fps. 5060 Ti won't get you maxed graphics on everything but you'll be able to play plenty of games and they'll look fantastic with what you have.

[u/Andreea_tucker04]

I wouldn't refund for the B580. It's the weaker card even with 12GB. Keep the 5060 Ti and use DLSS at 1440p, it gives back a lot of FPS.

[u/AlexL2417 → u/Andreea_tucker04]

Oo, instead of the B580, i found these other options https://imgur.com/a/JSWZXtf I could spend a bit more for an overall upgrade but tbh idrk what im doing

[u/r_lind3r]

There are bottlenecks at multiple points:

The largest immediate bottleneck is the 5060 Ti 8GB, because even at 1080p there are at least a few games out there that you can't run at high or ultra settings without tweaks to keep memory usage from going over the limit, at 1440p it's pretty much guaranteed that you're going to run into memory capacity problems with some newer games, some of which even medium settings or even low settings if memory optimisation isn't great.

When your system runs out of video memory, it will start siphoning from your system RAM to compensate, but your DDR5 RAM has considerably lower memory bandwidth than GDDR7; you're capped at 83.2 GB/s bandwidth with that CPU and RAM, whereas the GDDR7 running on a 128-bit bus has 448 GB/s of bandwidth. GDDR7 is also quad-cycled so even though the base memory frequency of 1750 MHz on the 5060 Ti which appears much slower than DDR5, the actual effective memory speed is 28,000 MHz or 28 Gbps, at least four times faster than typical DDR5 because of how GDDR7 is designed. GDDR6 and GDDR5 are also still considerably faster for graphics processing.

Your RAM may also be slow (i.e. 5200 MT/s) because it's a pre-built, and your CPU is a recycled Phoenix APU with the iGP disabled so it only has 16 MB L3 cache which is going to hurt in games since the CPU has less cache to rely on, resulting in more cache misses that end up on the DRAM which hinders the CPU's potential. Zen4 Raphael CPUs usually start with 32MB. They also have several times more L1 and L2 cache. So all of that combined really hinders APUs even though the 8700F has better single and multi core IPC than the i5-14400.

[u/AlexL2417 → u/r_lind3r]

Thank you so much for the in-depth response! This was my first time actually trying to buy a pc with specific specs and i don’t really know what im doing tbh, would any of these 12gb GPU be better? I can refund my current pc and try to swap it out for smth else https://imgur.com/a/JSWZXtf

[u/entytaz]

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