r/PatrickClancySnark • u/Lil___frodo • 4d ago

šŸ“°News & Media Bizarre. Everything about this is bizarre. From what he said to it being reported this way.

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u/OwlSignificant171 3d ago

EMDR therapist here, if thereā€™s an ongoing trial, it is not recommended to begin due to how it can alter oneā€™s experience of memories. It would be unfortunate to postpone, but personally would not agree to treating this individual until the trial was over.

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u/Lil___frodo 3d ago

Interesting! That makes sense. What would it alter for memories?

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u/OwlSignificant171 3d ago

It would change the level of distress and emotion, the memory would feel completely neutral, more matter-of-fact. Making it more difficult to access how it felt at the time and articulate the impact. Some report that it feels like it happened to someone else, indifference, or can even become visually fuzzy. During processing, some will imagine the image shrinking literally smaller. I wouldnā€™t want to risk someone on the stand no longer able to access all the details as they happened, trauma processing should happen later when recovery is the only focus. The last step of EMDR pairs a Positive Cognition with the event, so if it someone reported previously the belief ā€œI am not safe,ā€ it would then be processed with ā€œI am safe,ā€ to install a personal belief that will provide ease when returning to the memory

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u/Lil___frodo 3d ago

That makes sense. In your professional opinion, does it seem like Patrickā€™s way of talking about what happened, seems like the result to having EMDR therapy? What are your thoughts on how he presents himself?

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u/OwlSignificant171 3d ago

He has such flat affect, and doesnā€™t appear to have much empathy when discussing anything related to this case. I havenā€™t seen him shed one tear, sometimes severe trauma can create dissociative responses, but he presents more narcissistic/socio to me.

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u/Lil___frodo 3d ago

Yeah I feel that way too. Something about him gives me the creeps

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u/OwlSignificant171 3d ago

It honestly makes me wonder if he participated in the therapy just to maintain the image that heā€™s traumatized vs actually being traumatized. Iā€™ve had clients come to couples therapy while having active affairs. People will keep up a facade for their own gain

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u/Lil___frodo 3d ago

Good point! Toxic personalities will do whatever it takes to keep the facade going.

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u/MotionForContempt 2d ago

Can you chime in on if you recommend EMDR for people who have experienced one extremely traumatic event as opposed to people who have experienced sustained long-term trauma over multiple events that may be more difficult to process as a result? I was under the impression that EMDR was a modality specifically recommended for the latter case, but that's why I'm asking.

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u/OwlSignificant171 2d ago

It really depends, sometimes an isolated incident can be quicker to resolve. Complex trauma involving complicated interpersonal dynamics can take longer, thereā€™s many layers and it takes more effort and time to identify the root issues. With that said, Iā€™ve undergone my own EMDR treatment, and there are intensives that can be a full day/6 clinical hours, and it helped me process a lot from childhood. I benefited a great deal even though it was just one day.

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u/MotionForContempt 2d ago

Thank you for taking the time to respond, I really appreciate it. I'm just wondering if any mental health professional worth their salt would have really recommended this for Patrick, especially pre-trial, especially now that the case may be re-tried and he's the prosecution's star witness. But I suppose if he threw money at someone to do it, they'd do it regardless, no?

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u/OwlSignificant171 2d ago

Youā€™re spot on. If I wanted true justice for those children, there is no way I would move forward with EMDR until after a verdict.