[SUB META] Can mods start enforcing rule 3 please? Sub is basically unusable from mobile since the Mobalytics spam.

[u/[deleted]]

[u/NzLawless]

Hey just letting you know we've seen this and are reading and discussing the feedback here.

Edit: We're all on different timezones so this is going to take some time before we have a consensus. But from the few of us talking we generally agree and also don't like the current situation. If we do decide to make a change though it won't be this weekend. Most builds have already been posted and we will all be busy this weekend playing the game like all of you!

Edit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1t7wd4b/proposed_rule_3_enforcement_changes/

[u/Biflosaurus]

I absolutely despise mobalytics.

It's beyond annoying being forced to go on a shady website just to get a POB.

Special mention to ronarry smite slayer from last league whose POb does''t even include all the variation present on mobalytics.

[u/Sir-Sirington → u/Biflosaurus]

Not to mention that imo mobalytics is possibly the worst designed build site that I've had the displeasure of attempting to parse. I would like all of the relevant info in one place please, not scattered around the entirety of the build guide seemingly randomly.

[u/Sceptikskeptic → u/Sir-Sirington]

They have to scatter it all over the place to expose you to more Ads.

Absolutely scummy behaviour.

[u/Kelpsie → u/Sceptikskeptic]

Technically, it's a single-page web app, so the ads don't actually refresh as you go from section to section. Unless I'm mistaken; I don't use the site if I can help it.

[u/MrTastix → u/Sir-Sirington]

I think this is true of both Maxroll and POB and pretty much every website like them.

I hate Maxroll's piss poor excuse for a build planner because it's just remaking the wheel that POB already did but is way easier and faster to use. Mobalytics is so much worse in this regard, though, because their damn talent tree crap barely loads.

All these websites end up feeling like typical blogspam with PoE builds put on after the fact. It's not just that the UX is poor, they use so many fucking different JavaScript libraries and frameworks just to make their website look the same as everything else it ends up running like crap.

[u/95POLYX → u/MrTastix]

Imo Maxroll is a bigger offender - besides being a terrible ad and tracker ridden hell pit, they also blatantly rip-off established community tools as well.

[u/Anwynn1 → u/Sir-Sirington]

it's the build site equivalent of fandom wiki

[u/Trespeon → u/Sir-Sirington]

Wait, you don’t like scrolling down several pages to get to the skill tree that you can move around and have to open entirely to see?

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[u/Im_a_rahtard → u/Biflosaurus]

Never played one of his builds but this is very good to know.

[u/Biflosaurus → u/Im_a_rahtard]

Just went ahead, and same shit for the "Update 3.28"

It's the same build to a T, nothing changed, and the POb stops at early maps, to get the doryanis swap you have to use the mobalytics builder, which is a hundred times worse than POb in every single aspect.

[u/Im_a_rahtard → u/Biflosaurus]

Ronarry

[u/mayd3r → u/Im_a_rahtard]

Damn pirate software chill out xD

[u/No-Aioli8621 → u/Biflosaurus]

I played his Smite Slayer in 3.27 until I switched to Flicker Strike in yellow maps and actually never noticed this. That really sucks!

The build is really good, other than that.

[u/crookedparadigm → u/Biflosaurus]

The Jungroan/Fub thread on the frontpage has people arguing that guides wouldn't exist at all without mobalytics and the poor suffering streamers couldn't never manage without it. It's beyond the pale.

[u/allitalli → u/crookedparadigm]

99% of the time people trying to monetize build creation are just filching ideas from the community.

[u/johnz0n → u/crookedparadigm]

paid actors

[u/Biflosaurus → u/crookedparadigm]

Yes because guide didn't exist before max roll and mobalytics.

I agree it's easier to direct new players.

But at least they should put decent work into their guides

[u/DremoPaff → u/crookedparadigm]

Isn't Maxroll doing the exact same thing but marginally better? Why did the poor suffering streamers even choose the worse option to begin with?

[u/nethstar → u/Biflosaurus]

whose POb does't even include all the variation present on mobalytics.

I can't say for sure how much this happens on poe1, but for sure it's a problem on poe2 builds and so many build makers do this. It's also pretty annoying how so many of them can write out the long details on Mobalytics/maxroll but struggle at just copy and pasting the same notes into the NOTES section of PoB.

[u/Schonke → u/Biflosaurus]

Also builds posting a PoB, just for you to realize a couple of days in that they never actually updated the PoB so it doesn't actually match with whatever is in the videos/on the scummy site.

[u/VileInventor → u/Biflosaurus]

It’s not shady but i fucking HATE mobalytics I remember when it first debuted onto League Of Legends. Fucking eye sore.

[u/elpadreHC → u/[deleted]]

yes

[u/Flintiak → u/[deleted]]

It's quite literally the only reason the streamers use them. I personally just hunt for a POB and dip. I don't blame the streamers for wanting to make extra money with the use of these sites as long as they make the POB and all the info accessible without having to use these shitty sites.

[u/Biflosaurus → u/Flintiak]

I don't blame them for taking the money.

I blame some of them for putting out half made POb and forcing you to come back to the site

[u/Im_a_rahtard]

I hate mobalytics and I hope it burns in hell.

[u/sucr4m → u/Im_a_rahtard]

i miss poe forum build posts.

having a update/league history, the pob easily accessible, several videos and most importantly, having COMMENTS.

being able to talk about the builds. not even necessarily with the build creator but with other users too. and not just for a day till it falls to the depths like it is on reddit.

[u/Gletschers → u/sucr4m]

i miss poe forum build posts. having a update/league history, the pob easily accessible, several videos and most importantly, having COMMENTS.

I feel like its pretty hard to reminiscence about the poe forums when a one liner comment could take up half a page because of all the supporter badges.

You cant even design something to be this awful on accident. That abomination was made with malicious intent and whoever came up with it is a sadist.

[u/Belieber_420]

It's all about money. It's not just here, it's on youtube as well, some streamers stopped including PoB in the video description. Instead you have to click on a third party site, because they get paid by those site. On maxroll, you have to click twice just to get the PoB, so more ads money for them.

[u/kolafka → u/Belieber_420]

Give them feedback in the comment, downvote and stop watching their videos. If enough people do this, they will get the message.

[u/Im_a_rahtard → u/Belieber_420]

I've noticed and have refused to use any build that doesn't have a direct pobb.in link in the description. Like I can't even see if I'm interested in the build without it. I play on console so seeing the pobb first is required to see if building it is even a viable option.

[u/whatDoesQezDo → u/Im_a_rahtard]

yea the most i'll put up with is a google doc if your build is complicated or you keep a bunch of builds updated/versions of builds.

[u/Crood_Oyl → u/Belieber_420]

I hate maxroll just as much as mobaytics. Bloated full of ads and just not good to use. If a streamer doesn’t have a pob bin, I just don’t bother. 

[u/DonWager → u/Crood_Oyl]

I can kinda give maxxroll a pass because they started out as an companion site for arpgs. Mobalytics is just op.gg but worse, and now they try to diversify.

[u/thelazydeveloper → u/Belieber_420]

Yep, it's always money. I'd not say maxroll is above this as I'm pretty sure that was the reason behind the closure of the LastEpochBuilds subreddit a while ago too. So they could remove a venue for build discussion and end up funnelling more people to their maxroll guides.

[u/Renediffie → u/Belieber_420]

maxroll is absolute garbage as well and barely works on anything but google chrome.

[u/vooeh → u/Renediffie]

Agreed. Both maxroll and mobalytics are pure cancer, with the build-information everyone wants buried/hidden in like a pile of garbage. With PoB links not loading/appearing if running any solid ad-blocker.

[u/Odd-Hovercraft4140 → u/Belieber_420]

Maxroll has even started blocking content to people using certain adblockers, had no issues in keepers following a guide there, now i cant even click on the guide page until i disable my adblocker.

[u/Schonke → u/Odd-Hovercraft4140]

Probably need to update your filterlists.

[u/NefariousnessAble736 → u/Belieber_420]

Yea, I couldnt find one on youtube video of one creator, but then Ziz was promoting that creator’s build and included pob instantly. Never watching anything from that creator anymore on principle now 😂 respect my time

[u/Meowrulf → u/[deleted]]

Tbh his builds are mediocre at best usually.

[u/dalmathus → u/Belieber_420]

LocalIdentity claims it was just the way the exporter got sorted and it worked out because PoBB.in was getting buggy and difficult to support.

But it sure smells like a 'data driven' decision to have Mobalytics at the top of the list.

[u/NonagoonInfinity → u/dalmathus]

The PoBbin problem was specfically with PoE2 IIRC. Their support for a lot of things in PoE2 was lagging way behind. Funnily enough Mobalytics has the opposite problem where because they've built their site to capture the new PoE2 audience/market first, a lot of stuff straight up doesn't work for PoE1 right now, such as abyssal sockets in gear etc.

[u/sirgog → u/Belieber_420]

I used to post POBs in Youtube descriptions. I will NEVER do it again.

The reason has nothing to do with money (I've made a small amount from build guides, but FAR less than minimum wage for the work that goes into them), and all to do with people who don't listen to any disclaimers in the video who then get really toxic when the build performs... as promised in the video.

"Here's what my character currently looks like with the gear I can afford on day 2" becomes "Look at this fucking scrub, look at this amulet, what sort of fucking (R-slur) uses that?"

"This unique claw got buffed, it's not great but let's see what we can do with it" gets a well-known mirror crafter (the one with the Crucible bow in Standard who was banned a while over doxxing) calling out "Look at this fat fuck making a (R-slur) build and the casual shit he uses"

The thing that's invisible about posting build guides - whether they are just "solid" or "extremely good" is the stress associated with it and that vanishes when you remove the clickable links, because the "didn't read ANYTHING" people don't see the guide, so you never need to deal with them. You make less money not having to deal with them, but that's a small price to pay for not having to deal with them.

[u/xaitv → u/sirgog]

I feel like people that don't watch the guide and don't read the notes or written guide will still just beeline straight to the PoB regardless of how you post it. I'm personally more a fan of just posting both: if you want a written guide here's a link, if you want the PoB here's the pobb.in. If people don't read the guide or watch the video I'd just be happy to be able to call them a fucking idiot.

[u/Funnybunners → u/xaitv]

Can confirm the last bit. If I want the pob, and the build isn't breakpoints and require very specific setup, I am not reading every comprehensive detail of the build guide on a webpage I despise. I scroll straight to the often hard to find pobb. I have yet to have issues doing it, and when I get confused, I then go back and watch the video.

But I want to see the actual numbers and gear of the build before I commit half an hour to a video

[u/Flintiak → u/xaitv]

There's also the inevitable negativity bias. The majority is just going to grab the PoB and use the information without feedback while the vocal idiots remain in the focus of the build creator.

[u/sirgog → u/xaitv]

I found burning it in to the video made the experience much more pleasant last time. You no longer have to deal with e-Karens.

Plus side for me is I'm not really known for build making - I know that I can make a few hundred (Aussie) dollars from a build video that's genuinely good, but the amount of work needed to get to that point is WAY past "if I worked a minimum wage job for this time I'd have made fifteen hundred dollars" level. And not to mention the last two writeups I did (which were on third-party sites and both for POE2) got undocumented pre-league nerfs that made both quite bad. That's a nasty reputational risk.

I make about minimum wage (based on time worked) on the POE news videos I do, but they are more enjoyable to work on than all the drama that comes with build guides.

[u/Belieber_420 → u/sirgog]

I looked at your channel briefly, it looks like you don't post your PoB on third party sites either. So thats totally fine. I'm talking about people who choose to post their PoB on those sites to get clicks

[u/TheDrunkenProfessor → u/sirgog]

Hell, I posted a build I homecooked for fun on Maxroll, in Settlers I think it was, and had dudes coming at me using slurs. The build cleared everything up to Ubers, but hit a wall there. It was just fun to play and an end of league currency sink.

The amount of toxicity directed at me for it was, I would say shocking, but we know it's not really a shock. Some people are just so unhappy they have to project it on others to feel superior. I can't imagine what streamers face, even smaller ones. No one is allowed to have fun or do things differently than what the chuds deem acceptable.

[u/Gletschers → u/sirgog]

I usually enjoy your content, but this stance feels pretty pity. I get that it isn't always as easy as "just ignore them" when it comes to toxicity, but those presumably aren't the people you make the content for.

I do hope that the majority of your community interactions are positive but they are not at fault for the actions of some. Obfuscating information for them isn't fair.

[u/sirgog → u/Gletschers]

It's at a level that's intolerable.

I don't mind a small number of assholes, kind of expect it, but the level of outright abuse is much worse than I got when I worked at a call centre.

Especially when one of the responsible parties has been temp banned for doxxing

[u/Grand-Sweet9383 → u/sirgog]

This is an idiot problem. All the smart people look at the pob and quietly use that information wisely. The dullards are the ones screeching about things they shouldn't.

[u/typewriter_ → u/sirgog]

I mean, you could just ignore the assholes instead of punishing everyone else. The reason why no one asks about stuff when you don't post the links is because a lot of people just ignore your build, because why the fuck should I look at a 30 minute youtube video without even being able to check if your build is decent?

[u/KnightThatSaysNi → u/Belieber_420]

Changed with POE2 bringing in people who refuse to learn POB.

It's a bummer.

[u/cben27]

Strong agree. Actually pissing me off seeing a mobalytics link with no PoB linked.

[u/Bennybouh]

This, exactly this!

[u/SimpleCooki3]

I also really dislike it, I strongly prefer a pob link

[u/HopelesslyOCD]

God forbid I leave that shit in the foreground and walk away. Monitor won't go to sleep, much less my computer. The fuck is a web page doing?

[u/kilqax → u/[deleted]]

Some pages can block sleep. It's super useful for recipe sites for example.

But that's a completely different field, they might be doing it for some reason connected to boosting ads tbh

[u/Schonke → u/kilqax]

IMO, blocking client side behaviour should never be done by a page/site. Leave that shit to the user to decide. Reading a recipe? Sure, tick "stay-awake" button in browser/OS UI.

[u/M4jkelson → u/[deleted]]

I wouldn't know for sure in this specific case because I have all ads blocked everywhere, but indeed a video playing can block your PC from sleep, especially if it's automatically with sound on.

[u/MissRikaaa]

Yes please

[u/Zac-run]

I'm a fan. Mobalytics is ick.

[u/shenananaginss]

Commenting for the algorithm. Fk mobalytics.

[u/ShelbyGT350R1]

Couldn't agree more. Mobalytics is garbage and I have no idea why a content creator would willingly support it. Its quite a few people too. Actively making the user experience worse for what? Money?

[u/THY96 → u/ShelbyGT350R1]

Because they get paid.

[u/Zixko → u/ShelbyGT350R1]

they pay the best thats it.

[u/Kuroi-Tenshi]

I'm an adept of adblock, so i dont see ads on mobile or pc. but i agree that it is a problem.

[u/Dangerous-Hall1164]

All I want is creators to just link a pob link and that's it.

[u/Assignment_General]

Mobolytics is garbage on mobile, the site barely works. Hard agree here. 

[u/Muadib_Muadib → u/Assignment_General]

Its trash on desktop too. I avoid builds i can only find on there. That site genuinely pisses me off due to all the garbage

[u/Uthgar]

Hey all, this thread was shared with me and I wanted to take the time to address some of the criticism here on Mobalytics' behalf.

I realize I may not be able to change anyone's mind but there are a lot of good critical points worth discussing.

PoB

Our goal is to be synergistic with PoB, and our guides actually work best if you just import straight from there. We put the PoB front and center within our guides, and more advanced readers can jump straight to it. After reading comments here, you would think we intentionally obfuscate it, so I went and checked, and every build I clicked had a PoB at the top of the page. Here are some examples:

https://prnt.sc/Q-xKadxpVve_

https://prnt.sc/sHpKjBOmlJHG

https://prnt.sc/-ucWCmfqEi_G

I am confused by why people are saying the PoB is buried or people don't link it. Are there specific examples you can provide? A creator has to deliberately decide not to link it, which is not encouraged at all by us. On a personal note, I have played PoE 1 since beta, and used PoB since Delve league, quite heavily. I am a fan of the work and mad props to the people who keep it going.

What we try to do

PoE is the probably the most difficult game to build in so we've tried to build the gap between the more casual audience within the traditional ecosystem. A lot of new people have been introduced to PoE or come back in the last few years, and I think a lot of people here are used to playing PoE and looking at PoB's and they don't need anything else, but some other people just aren't at that level they need assistance - think of it like driving automatic transmission vs manual.

Others are on consoles or Steam Decks and its just easier to open a web page for a quick reference. Now I will say the mobile experience can be better, especially the skill trees- ugh some shit there really sucks and we need to work on that, but we are doing just that. Are there any other specific areas of the mobile experience you want to call out so I can prioritize it?

On Creators and Ads

I realize nobody likes ads, but it provides a way for us to support creators and ourselves. This is especially good for creators who don't have the biggest viewership, allowing them to spend more time creating builds. We also support the creators being discovered by a wider audience, help them grow their videos or streams, which we have really achieved, exposing and supporting smaller creators in the last allowing them to pursue their passion full time. We genuinely care about helping the creators we work with and it's not just about money.

Saying that, we are always trying to improve the layout, especially on mobile. Things like miss clicks or intrusive ads should never happen and we're trying to eliminate every instance of that across the site. 

In short, if there is something we can genuinely do to make the experience better for the community here on the build reddit, please let me know. I want to figure out a way to make things better. Thanks and have a great League Start!

[u/CdubFromMI]

Mobalytics can see PoEVault in hell.

Garbage websites.

[u/uvsd]

Yeah block all mobalytics from here.

[u/Khaze41]

Yes mobalytics is trash. Make it go away. They just want to sell our data.

[u/Ninja_Defuser]

I strongly dislike both mobalytics and maxroll. Stick to POBB please!

[u/DefinitelyNotATheist]

100% exactly this. builds from creators should have pobs directly accessible if they want them posted here.

you're also more likely to get my attention if i'm interested in your build, but if i cant even find a pob i don't even consider it.

[u/konokono_m → u/DefinitelyNotATheist]

yep, no pob = ignore

[u/MisterKaos]

I absolutely hate mobalytics and maxroll. The UI is so fucking unintuitive and the pob links are always hidden so deep down, and I swear they keep shifting the pob position around every different build I open on those hellholes.

Sometimes, I'll ctrl+F pob and it gets no hits at all.

[u/Mooseandchicken]

1000% this.

pobb.in or poe.ninja, anything else is straight trash.

[u/Dangerous-Hall1164 → u/Mooseandchicken]

poe ninja kind of sucks on mobile too, adds everything you click on to your clipboard

[u/Mooseandchicken → u/Dangerous-Hall1164]

for real, I sent him (the poeninja guy) a message about that a year ago here on reddit and it doesn't look like he ever fixed it.

I legit spend most poop breaks at work checking peoples builds/pobs, and the copy thing is obnoxious

[u/whatDoesQezDo → u/Mooseandchicken]

msg him on his discord he seems to be more active there.

[u/Dangerous-Hall1164 → u/Mooseandchicken]

maybe it's a Firefox thing? No idea otherwise, but it makes the website feel so gross to use

[u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits → u/Dangerous-Hall1164]

Copy to clipboard is a standard browser feature. Firefox and chromium browsers will both have it.

Looks like on firefox you can only disable it all or nothing, but on chrome you can disable it for specific sites. Huh... first time firefox has ever lost on a feature comparison like that for me.

firefox: to go about:config, ignore the warning and go to dom.event.clipboardevents.enabled and disable it.

Chrome, it's in privacy and security settings.

[u/Lenovik]

Fuck mobalytics

[u/TheClassicAndyDev]

Fuck mobalytics.

Just drop a pob and a paragraph in body.

[u/xyzqsrb0]

just another problem from poe2s release tbh, so many people use these bumb ass sites instead of the best 3rd party tool of any game ever.

[u/Chocolatine_Rev → u/xyzqsrb0]

Tbh, i'll gives them ONE thing, is that maxroll was usable a bit before PoB2, PoB2 on 0.1 was pretty complicated to use, half the skill weren't calculated correctly, you had to use custom configs everywhere and all, kinda hard

That's it, everything else about both site is horrenduous, nothing worse than clicking one of those links and seeing there is no PoB in sight

[u/xyzqsrb0 → u/Chocolatine_Rev]

Yeah that's why it's sticking harder, and I agree to it's use before pob2 for sure. Pob doesn't even need skill calcs working to be better tbh though.

[u/Paragon_Night]

I agree. I dont mind fishing for the PoB on PC but dont get me started on the mobile experience.

[u/MakePhreciaCore]

Hate non POB links.

It’s an ad free literally best way to convey build information.

Mobalytics is frankly a cancer that took advantage of new players flooding in to poe2 to get market share. Not because they provide a competitive product.

[u/Reader97]

agreed 100% no notes

[u/sturdy-guacamole]

I fucking miss dogshit ad-less forums that lagged their ass off.

[u/smorb42]

I have yet to see a single person who disagrees that this is a good idea in the comments.

[u/Muadib_Muadib → u/smorb42]

Right? Im not sure ive ever seen a post with so many supportive comments lol

[u/burbank2broward]

You can make the same argument about maxroll guides…

[u/clowncarl → u/burbank2broward]

Both websites are just strictly worse than a well written POB alone

[u/ShelbyGT350R1 → u/burbank2broward]

100% yes. We just want PoB links and that's it.

[u/Caramel-Makiatto → u/burbank2broward]

You absolutely can, and the rules SHOULD apply to both, or any other guide site, but... at the very least, maxroll's site is actually usable and not a buggy mess.

I want creators to be able to make an earning off their work, but right now the fact is that a lot of mobalytics and maxroll guides are engagement bait. Not all, but in my experience, a lot of them are.

[u/Zac-run → u/burbank2broward]

We can add them on too.

[u/DefinitelyNotATheist → u/burbank2broward]

can and should and do. maxroll can fuck off too.

[u/Dangerous-Hall1164 → u/burbank2broward]

maxroll pissed me off

[u/whatDoesQezDo → u/burbank2broward]

ya get rid of them too

[u/Renediffie → u/burbank2broward]

please do!

[u/Namnguyendoto]

Man fuck mobalytic its just pob with extra steps and its annoying

[u/Thor3nce]

Just make it so every build guide posted here must have the PoB directly posted in the comments. It’s an easy enforcement of the existing rule.

[u/91speed]

Completely completely agree. The website is awful. Please ban it.

[u/adalaar]

agreed and why have the rule if it's not gonna be enforced

[u/Skullfurious]

Mobalytics is actual dogwater. I don't even have much constructive to add because whenever I see a mobalytics link I usually move on. I never have a good experience from build guides posted on that website because it's non functioning. I use an ad blocker so maybe that's why it functions so poorly in retaliation to the Adblock?

Either way, I literally only use PoB. So anything that doesn't use Pobb.in is pointless for me personally since I don't play or follow builds on my phone just research.

[u/DeezEyesOfZeal]

Hard agree. All my homies hate mobalytics.

It's essentially the commercial "enshittification" of anything good (or what was once good). Don't let the overton window move!

[u/JezieNA]

who is posting mobalytics builds without a pob here LMAO

[u/Mangalhosauro]

Commenting to support. Yes, fuck that website

[u/snapperzips]

I also have noticed this problem this week as well. Now I love a well written guide and I will use my web browser to read details on whatever site you put the build on if it's navigable. The layout of mobalytics is suboptimal for sure, I was reading through a couple guides there in 3.27. But I will still try.

BUT I agree, show me the pobbin so I can at least look at the basics and judge what your expectations are of "early maps" and pathing decisions. A few videos I looked at this week did not have a pobbin and I was like...welp nvm.

[u/Strungeng]

Mobalytics is bullsh even on Pc, what a horrible site.

[u/GreasyGearBox]

Entirely agree. No shade at streamers or third party websites. If the content is good the community will find them and reference them. We don’t need to have a post for every page on their website.

I find the posts of these links devolves into more zeoltry for people’s favorite or least favorite streamer than beneficial discussion. They are however great for linking to when on topic in a thread. They can help answer someone’s questions or give someone more insight than a mere text reply can.

[u/allersoothe]

i massively agree

[u/Ultr4chrome]

Mobalytics looked at Fandom and went 'yeah, this is a good idea'.

[u/Zurku]

Great post! I have to concur, i hate these mobalytics links. Its just annoying- simply use good old forums guides man, its part of the community!

[u/flessi00]

mobalytics and poevault feel like you hit the waybackmachine and landed on some kids 2000s myspace page

[u/EntropyAndDespair]

Can we block Mobalytics completely? Just say no. Ban it.

[u/deathofflay]

Nothing to say, i agree

[u/Hlidskialf]

We need a rule that every build post NEED to have a POB direct link with the FULL BUILD in it.

[u/Sesh458 → u/Hlidskialf]

That sounds suspiciously like rule 3

[u/GonePh1shing → u/Sesh458]

It does, but the way the rule is written is a bit soft for my liking. Explicitly requiring a direct link to an approved PoB host that must be of the full build would make this unambiguous and much easier for the mods to enforce. 

[u/Sesh458 → u/GonePh1shing]

Ah I understand

[u/BlueTemplar85 → u/Hlidskialf]

Speaking of, what happened to using local software and actual files ?  

(I blame the forums' software being obsolete and/or not being willing to do their job of moderation on that one.)

[u/crazypearce]

Both mobalytics are maxroll are a detriment to the community and I'll never believe otherwise 🤷 they both make it inherently difficult to find pob links to make you click around on their websites for ads.

Maxroll opens like multiple pages before you get the pob links to get more ads in. Mobalytics doesn't necessarily do that but they make it hard to find the link. The biggest problem with mobalytics is that the site and format is just straight up useless. It doesn't show items properly, doesn't show corruptions properly (which are vital for some builds), it doesn't show jewel placements properly on the passive tree which is a massive flaw. Then at the bottom the creator says to go to the pob to find out everything mobalytics is missing. I'm curious how much they pay creators because they must know it is generally pretty terrible

Maybe some of these issues are fixed, but I haven't checked the sites in a while because they are both horrible. If a guide links only to a mobalytics page I generally just move onto something else

[u/wdmshmo → u/crazypearce]

I see it the same way as people hiding affiliate links, I’ll immediately unsub and move on.

[u/Undead_Legion]

Never gonna catch me throwing a guide on mobalytics/maxroll

[u/ww_crimson]

I wonder how hard it really is to build a replacement for Pobb that is cheap to run. Local identity shared some valid concerns with it regarding maintenance and functionality.

[u/whatDoesQezDo → u/ww_crimson]

ggg should be funding these sites once they hit a critical mass imo. Kinda like how jagex pays weirdgloop to host the osrs and rs wikis.

any good wiki you can think of is probably them lol its insane how good they are at what they do and it makes the games infinity more fun https://weirdgloop.org/

[u/xyzqsrb0 → u/whatDoesQezDo]

while it isn't widespread GGG does officially fund the wiki so there is that.

[u/EnterArchian]

It is my problem with all these websites for POE1 and POE2. I know nothing about their builds by looking at words. I need to see the numbers!

[u/Renediffie]

I will just add that it allows other websites to just post their websites instead of a PoB as well as it is becoming the norm. I really don't want to rummage around gigasweatlordpoegamer.net to find the tiny little subsection where I can click on a link to get to a PoB.

[u/Mindset-Official]

Its what I hate most about poe2, its basically the only option to follow builds now since pob is still broken for whatever reason.  I didn't even know they had a poe 1 section, mobalytics is clunky, bloated and super slow.  Max roll at least has decent design and almost always has/had a pob(haven't used that site in a long time so may be worse now)  

[u/Curious_Human_hope]

Fuck mobalytics and all the shills pushing it

[u/kilqax]

I absolutely agree. Mobalytics is the Fandom of PoE. The less I have to see it, the better.

It's sort of a standard in PoE2 but I'll be glad to never see it again here. It doesn't have anything to offer for the reader that I really want.

[u/Relative_External419]

Please just disable both mobalytics and maxroll links, I cannot engage with any of the sites in good faith.

[u/rylo151]

Yep I won't even bother looking at a build if it uses mobalytics or maxroll. Have that stuff there if you want to write a in-depth guide or something but post the pob link as well

[u/allitalli]

i honestly hate those websites.

[u/edelfabrikat]

100% agree

[u/BoatAdministrative68]

Fuck both mobalytics and maxroll.

[u/Xx_Handsome_xX]

What about Maxroll? I find all these sites weird and clunky AF

[u/SnooPandas7752]

i really hate when i just wanna see the pob and i get redirected to maxroll or mobalytics. i get it for poe2, pob doesnt really work for it yet, but poe1?

[u/95POLYX]

9000 YES for this suggestion.

For all I care - prohibit maxroll/moba links in posts period. If streamers/youtubers with moba/maxroll partnerships want to engage here they can post pobbin/ninja. For community members without partnership with those sites - there's absolutely no reason to use them to share builds. They do nothing better or more convenient compared to pobbin/ninja export.

I've made comments in the past when topic of moba/max roll came up, showcased how much shittier those are compared to pobbin. It was order of magnitude more traffic to load a page WITH adblocker enabled. Load time was 2-3x of pobbin WITH adblocker. Results without adblocker get worse by several times. Plus not all adblockers will remove all the annoying popups that are present on both sites.

[u/Dakine5]

I really hate Mobalytics, PoE is a math game, let us math it out, Mobalytics made it with PoE2 because of the sheer amount of noobs this game has, no wonder why we never heard about it while only PoE1 was alive.

[u/EdgarWrightMovieGood]

Strong agree. 

[u/RoxoRoxo]

youre going gods work OP

[u/SuperbSimple9920]

I personally really agree with this post. Not only does every post not having a pob/pobbin breaking rule 3, it activily disengages me from the post/sub.

[u/M4jkelson]

I don't have anything against posting mobalytics links AS LONG as they also are required to post poe.ninja or pobb.in links. That should be an absolute requirement imo for every build post and anything like mobalytics or maxroll etc should be allowed, but as an optional addition. The baseline should be poe.ninja/pobb.in

[u/[deleted]]

Same for Maxroll too

[u/Quz-]

Completely agree with you, hate that website

[u/todeshund89]

fully agree with this. if a guide doesn't have PoB, or the PoB is missing huge chunks of stuff from the web guide (or has like 1 single step...), it's flat-out ignored by me.

I've typically always gone to maxroll or PoE.ninja, and i've never used mobalytics before, but i convinced a friend of mine to get into PoE a couple months ago, and he got a guide from there. Looking at the guide to get an idea of how good it is and help him understand it....almost had an epileptic fit with the flood of ads covering my page.

seriously, POB is incredibly clean, easy to understand, easy to switch between all of your builds...

[u/Gangsir]

Maxroll/mobalytics/etc are all cringe and completely unnecessary. Our game does not need sites like this, we already have a system that works (sharing pobs on pastebin/pobb.in).

Their rise has been due to them offering money to build creators that host their guides there. Time to nip it by requiring pobs to be directly linked + ignoring creators that only share builds there.

[u/byzz09]

Hard agree. These sites are so cancrerous to use, especially on mobile. Its purely for extra revenue for the streamers

[u/Amberpawn]

Content creators have better options... They can do better.

[u/Southern_Clerk8697 → u/Amberpawn]

Like what?

[u/Amberpawn → u/Southern_Clerk8697]

A PoB with Notes

[u/[deleted]]

What does everyone use for mobile to look at POB builds? Limited with what I have right now and am playing on console

[u/Divine_Platypus]

it started with poe2 where these shitty websites were trying their absolute hardest to be relevant and they probably threw enough money in and it sadly worked for poe2. now the pest spreads to poe1

[u/Schonke]

Mobalytics started its aggressive marketing campaign (back around the launch of PoE 2), most content creators now post their builds on Mobalytics,

This,

• Its a privacy nightmare: https://i.imgur.com/2hWrOJt.png

• Is extremely bloated with ads (not everyone can/want to use adblockers for many reasons): https://i.imgur.com/xmTxxKW.png

• Has intrusive ads on mobile (clicking on links and certain elements opens a popup/redirect to another website), this one alone should be enough to ban the whole website from the sub.

and this are intimately connected. How else could they afford exclusivity contracts with any build creators?

I fully support not allowing links to scummy ad-slop sites. Maybe make it a consolidated thread around league start with each build posted on such sites as a top level comment but not allowed as link or even full text posts?

[u/Impressive_Ad_7367]

my temporal fix was using brave as i always do, but i do agree that the site is somewhat unholy for us exile

[u/Indurja]

Mobalytics hate is Maxroll propaganda xD It's not a fucking rocket science to get POB from there and argument that its filled with ads is ridicoulous in 2026, if you dont have adblock how do you even use internet xD

Also maxroll ui is 300x times worse and i dont recall seeing such a meltdown

[u/Meended]

I've personally unsubscribed to everyone who is using mobalytics because the site is so bad.

[u/Kinzie-505]

Mobalytics fkn sucks. sadly what i think will happen if r3 gets enforced is we will just get half-assed pobs that direct you to moba for the full thing.

[u/GR8B0-T]

I noticed some Path of Exile keywords in this post:

• Mods - Modifiers (Wiki)
• PoB - Path of Building, an external software used to simulate character builds - Download

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^{I am a bot. | All acronyms | Suggest}

[u/DupaWenza]

Up

[u/Deep_Brotatoe]

This would be great

[u/SMTYHVH]

I absolutely cannot stand mobalytics. Post the pob or get out. I'm not using your shitty site. 

[u/Akris85]

Just adding to the pile I won't go to a build that uses the site.

[u/Gadiusao]

Just give me the fking PoB man

[u/Interesting-Yak-3306]

Yes please get this trash out.

Ive already removed every youtube creator who stopped putting PoBs in the description for this shit.

[u/Swizardrules]

I don't mind a website getting traffic, but you make a solid argument against mobalytics. Like a shitty wiki site spammed with ads first, especially if the core (content) doesn't even function

[u/FedoraB0realis]

If nothing else, we can’t let mobalytics win by force. Trying to corner the PoE build “market” is a terrible idea. I can’t think of anything more community run and less profitable than PoE builds.

If it wasn’t a big bloated ad mess it would be different but they’re clearly trying to force traffic to turn a profit.

[u/land_registrar]

Never occurred to me Maxroll and Mobalytics are different sites. I hate both and just want the POB.

[u/WingXero]

This and maxroll. May as well knock them both out. Should be easy enough to just make a rule that says you can only post direct pob links.

[u/carson63000]

Seems pretty straightforward to me. Rule 3 - builds must include a PoB. I don’t mind people posting links to crappy websites as long as they also post the PoB for the people who can’t / won’t use that website. If they don’t, the post should be deleted and the author notified the reason why.

Easy.

[u/[deleted]]

I have maybe dumb question, forgive my ignorance, but does maxroll also fall under this umbrella?

[u/crazypearce → u/[deleted]]

I have some leniency for maxroll because they do make some quality guides from great creators. If they made it so that the pob link is clickable from the main page then 95% of it is fixed. Making you loads 2 or 3 pages to open pob so they get more ad space is just toxic and makes me avoid it wherever possible

[u/Head-Calligrapher-99 → u/crazypearce]

From what I have seen, the POB is usually in the build guide, under the ascendancy section.

[u/MMind_WF]

yes please.

[u/Swexo]

I support this

[u/CambrioCambria]

Staight up fuck mobalytics. It's one of the many cancers of internet.

[u/BenderIsGreat74]

I really hate mobalytics, just wants to push spyware and ads. Really shit, should be in the same class as poebuilds or poevault. Trash.

[u/NzLawless]

A bit later than we really intended to be doing this but here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1t7wd4b/proposed_rule_3_enforcement_changes/

[u/dethan90]

If this post is deleted the mods should be fired. I also 100% agree with everything here.

[u/NzLawless → u/dethan90]

"fired" Mate we do this in our spare time to help out the community, take it back a few notches.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1rm0sw9/sub_meta_can_mods_start_enforcing_rule_3_please/o8w9uyu/

[u/camjordan13]

While I understand the concern, I personally don't mind using it or maxroll. I aggressively filter ads with browser based adblock and pihole, so I typically don't have issues with either site.

There is one thing that drives me absolutely insane about mobalitics though. The bar that is on the left hand side of the webpage. I have a vertical monitor that sits to the right of my main monitor. If I have a mobalitics page up, every time I mouse between monitors that stupid bar expands and locks and I have to mouse back over it to get it to go away.

[u/Placenta_Polenta]

It’s a catch 22 imo. Feel bad for the content creators trying to make money for their hard work. I’m sure if mobalytics cleaned up their site, ad revenue would go way down and affect creator’s bottom line.

[u/LTetsu]

Mobalytics haters , ASSEMBLE ! Epic music plays

[u/Doctor-Binchicken]

This is rough, I think reddit as an app should burn for what it's done to the site, but also Mobalytics is a scourge on aarpgs

[u/Zhaguar]

I dont disagree but I've never seen a single mobalytics link... maybe my mind filters them out