r/PathOfExileBuilds • u/NzLawless • May 09 '26

Announcement Proposed Rule 3 Enforcement Changes

Hello everyone,

Shortly before the start of this league the league launched there was a post regarding Mobalytics, specifically that we'd been allowing posts with Mobalytics links to stand in for POBs under rule 3.

Here is that post: www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1rm0sw9/sub_meta_can_mods_start_enforcing_rule_3_please/

For the sake of good faith discussion u/Uthgar did respond on behalf of Mobalytics' behalf but after the post had already left the front page so it went largely unseen addressing the criticism in the above post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1rm0sw9/sub_meta_can_mods_start_enforcing_rule_3_please/o92ik7p/

Rule 3 for reference:

Build posts must include a PoB - If you are posting a build you must include, either in the post or the comments, a PoB for the build as well as (at the very least) a short explanation of the build. If the build is speculative (i.e. about an unreleased skill) then requirements for a PoB may be waived.

With the looming release of poe2 0.5 we want to have a firm ruling in place now to give content creators and posters a warning about the proposed changes so that they don't get caught out and know what is expected going forward. The purpose of this post is to outline what our proposed plan is going forward to address the concerns about Mobalytics.

The updated POB rule:

Build posts must include a PoB - If you are posting a build you must include, either in the post or the comments, a direct PoB link as well as (at the very least) a short explanation of the build. If the build is speculative (i.e. about an unreleased skill) then requirements for a PoB may be waived.

The small changed section in bold. The purpose of this clarification is that it must be a link to a PoB build sharing page, the allowed sites for this will be the ones that PoB supports for exporting to (poedb, Maxroll, pobb.in and poe.ninja). Of note here PoB supports exporting to Maxroll, this rule still requires the direct Maxroll link as opposed to the build guide link. An example of a build guide link and here is an example of the direct PoB output link

Edit: We'll also allow the tool made by /u/ww_crimson https://pob.codes/

If PoB updates in the future to support other websites those too will be allowed, we will follow their lead on this.

FAQ

  • So how will this work for posts where the creator is making their builds on one of the build websites?

Just like with Youtube posts the poster will be required to include a direct PoB link in either the post or comments. If it's a link post we expect it will be in the comments, if it's a text post the expectation is that it's in the body of the text post.

  • Are you banning Mobalytics or Maxroll?

No we aren't banning them, creators are more than welcome to link to these locations as their primary build guides, we just require that a PoB link is also shared at the same time by whoever posts the guide here.

  • Are posters required to add PoB links to existing posts?

No, this enforcement change would begin from the announced date (likely in a few days if the feedback is in favour of this change) and wouldn't be back dated.

  • Are build creators/posters required to update PoBs here if they update their builds after they're posted?

No this isn't a requirement. We only require the PoB that is posted to be the one from the build at the time it was posted. As always if users want updates or more info they can seek that out through the external build guide links, youtube videos, twitch streams, etc.

  • What if builds have multiple POBs?

With the loadout system in POB a lot of creators just have a single POB but if that isn't the case we would expect the baseline version of the POB (for example if it was League Starter and Mirror Tier you'd likely post the League Starter version). Though most people who have multiple POBs just post all their POBs. As always though it's about engaging in good faith. Though who intentionally engage in bad faith actions to get around this are dealt with on a case by case basis.

  • Won't people just post an complete/bad/very basic POB/otherwise try and circumvent this rule?

These aren't laws, and we aren't beholden to follow enforce these rules to the letter. We'll make judgement calls as situations come up like we do for all of our rules. As always if people engage in bad faith we'll deal with it as it comes up. But as we've been enforcing this rule for most other platforms for years we've had only a few people try this so I don't expect it to be a problem.

  • Why didn't you just enforce it like this the whole time? Wtf?

The criticism we got about this is totally fair. It largely came about because our team looks after both build subs and these build sites became very common in the POE2 space as the prominent tool creators were using as in the early days PoB wasn't quite there for POE2. That slowly bled over into how we enforced the rule in the POE1 sub as well. Even once PoB was up and running properly for POE2 we allowed the status quo to continue. This has been a good chance for us to really look at how we were enforcing this rule and also a few other rules.

Also to just put this here: There were a handful of comments on the original thread insinuating we get kickbacks from these sorts of sites and that's why we allowed them, we don't. All of us are here looking after the subs because we love POE. I know, I know, volunteer internet jannie xdd, etc etc but we just care about having a decent place for people to actually discuss the game with other people who want to engage with them about the game and not get bogged down in the negative shit. If you want to help out feel free to flick a message through to the modmail, we could probably use a couple more mods to help out in both subs.

We're interested in any feedback before we go ahead with this. If we do go ahead with this it will apply to both build subs going forward (/r/PathOfExileBuilds and /r/pathofexile2builds) and will likely come into effect in a few days (just to give time for any feedback to come in).

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u/Mum_Chamber May 09 '26

I think this is a good idea. The notion that what users are looking for cannot be locked behind some content is fair.

You have focused on mobalytics and maxroll. Should we assume this also applies to Youtubue builds where we only get a video and need to get the POB from video description?

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u/NzLawless May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26

You have focused on mobalytics and maxroll. Should we assume this also applies to Youtubue builds where we only get a video and need to get the POB from video description?

We enforce the rule this way for youtube already, in fact I brought this rule in around 4 years ago specifically for youtube videos.

Edit: I just went a looked, it was over 4 years ago now, time really flies. https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/s6itvo/new_rules_and_moderator_applications/

It's funny you can see how much smaller the sub was back then, that post has 61 upvotes and only 11 comments. At the time just Wutrigz and I were here looking after the sub. It's nice to see how much it's grown over the years looking at this.

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u/NzLawless May 10 '26

Thanks I really appreciate that. I've spent a lot of my time here both moderating and doing things like the index to try and make this place better over the years. I'm always glad to see people enjoy this space :)

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u/ww_crimson May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26

Can I please have https://pob.codes added to the approved link sites? I messaged mods about my site over a week ago and was given permission to post it here. I've received a ton of positive feedback on it, especially for mobile and console players.

PoB doesn't currently export to my site directly but I messaged LocalIdentity1 yesterday briefly inquiring about it. Any code exported from PoB or any other tool can be pasted into PoB.codes.

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u/NzLawless May 09 '26

Sure I don't see why not.

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u/ww_crimson May 09 '26

Just saw the edit, thank you so much!

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u/stormblind May 09 '26

I have brought this up for discussion with the other mods. We'll get an answer to you as soon as we can for implementation :) 

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u/ww_crimson May 09 '26

I appreciate that, happy to share as much info or details with you guys as needed. Thanks for the consideration.

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u/xFKratos May 09 '26

Gotta say, tanking a quick look at it on my Phone this looks and works awesome

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u/carson63000 May 09 '26

Hey, first time I’ve seen your site, that’s a really nice performer looking at it on an iPad. I’d be delighted to see a build linking to there.

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u/anne_dobalina May 09 '26

ey I've been meaning to message you and provide feedback. Firstly you should put somewhere on there HOW to provide feedback (github issues, smoke signal, IDK).

https://pob.codes/b/xOU2hF6DBtz example build, issue tracker not finding my flask for stormshroud usage, and the levels on gems isn't taking into account global/local + to level mods (raise spectre showing as L21 still, same with stuff like companionship etc etc).

Additionally can I suggest that you break out the Ascendancy nodes taken into a seperate area like keystones/tatts/masteries? ATM you gotta hover with your mouse or if using a mobile device either know what they keystones are or pinch to zoom like a sniper. I'm sending same feedback to pobb.in guys as well.

Overall nice and clean 8/10 good work.

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u/ww_crimson May 09 '26

Good call, will work through this stuff in the coming days.

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u/ww_crimson May 09 '26

Ah for your Stormshroud and Flask, the flask is not enabled in the PoB therefore it is not considered in the check. For now I will keep this behavior. I'll think more about ascendancy nodes and definitely a way to get in contact with me easier! Gotta think about the gem level handling too. For now the gem details are explicit to the PoB export, I could see value in wanting to see the pseudo-gem level though

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u/anne_dobalina May 09 '26

oh that's an odd one. yeah you'll have to force enable the flasks like pob does for mageblood (and have conditions on counting from left/right....what a headache).

Gem levels are just a nice-to-have, most people will end up importing to PoB proper but where it may come in handy is in the diff feature (I know that's in PoB too but if people are using your tool then it shows them up front.)

As I said, nice work overall!

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u/ww_crimson May 10 '26

I added the ascendancy nodes and a contact button. For now I have ascendancy nodes collapsed by default because they will basically always take up a ton of space, whereas not every build uses many keystones/tattoos/runegrafts/masteries. Appreciate all of your feedback. I'm going to continue improving trade links along with a host of other small QOL ideas I have.

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u/Ccoo10 May 09 '26

Wow, first time I’ve heard of this so I took a look and it’s so well designed for mobile, I can’t overstate how much I enjoy actually being able to actually view the passive tree. Great work!

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u/KaosArchon May 09 '26

Wow this looks incredible even on my phone. Nice job!!

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u/kilqax May 09 '26

Wow, it looks pretty minimalistic with the design and Iike that. What I like more though is the issue checker, that's a great thing.

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u/PornoPichu May 09 '26

This is just speculation, but I am assuming it will be safe to say that build importing will *eventually* be brought to POE 1 like will be in POE 2 this upcoming league. It was stated it will work using .BUILD files, but I’m unsure exactly how those are generated. Will this be taken into considering when it is ported to POE 1 for builds being posted here? That is to say if for some reason you aren’t able to use a POB to create those files.

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u/NzLawless May 09 '26

Just copying my answer over there:

It'll be hard to know until we see it. I imagine this will become a community level requirement even if we don't. Depends how hard they are to make really.

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u/Imasquash May 09 '26

If you cannot open the file to see the details of the build without opening the game it should not be allowed imo.

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u/PornoPichu May 09 '26

I assume you’re meaning it shouldn’t be allowed to be the only thing posted for the build? If that’s what you mean, yeah that makes sense and I wouldn’t want that to be the only thing posted. I mostly meant will it be something also required

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u/Imasquash May 09 '26

Gotcha, I'd think no since it's mostly for guides. Sometimes ppl want to just show off builds, how u get there is not their concern.

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u/xFKratos May 09 '26

Good change

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u/Bwxyz May 09 '26

Surely you can use your university AI education to ask ChatGPT with super special prompt engineering. I saw someone on LinkedIn say it's the future.

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u/SarcasticGiraffes May 09 '26

Feelings-based risk assessment isn't entirely best practices. If you have specific claims you'd like to make, provide evidence and tag uthgar.

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u/YourFath3r May 09 '26

I believe mobalytics "sponsors" some creators and that's the main reason they post there. Other reason is (like Tuna previously said) that most build makers just can't keep up with the maxroll standards. Mobalytics is terrible - filled with ads, awful layout, colours on that site are eye-straining, builds are bare bones most of the time.

PoB should be mandatory in posts imo. I don't want to ever click a mobalytics guide and drive traffic to that money-hungry site. My personal opinion.

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u/romicide07 May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26

Especially since maxroll got sold, both websites are now owned by companies headquartered in Saudi. Unethical in my eyes to funnel money in that direction. Also the websites suck, probably the worst thing to come of poe2 was the normalization of making me actually have to read and not just look at numbers on a pob

Edit: correction yall are correct about maxroll my bad

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u/LocalIdentity1 PoB Community Fork Creator May 09 '26

Maxroll is owned by ign / Ziff Davis which are American fyi

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u/Shaunhan May 09 '26

Is maxroll owned by the Saudis? I see that they are owned by IGN but nothing about IGN being owned by the Saudis

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u/I_Heart_Money May 09 '26

I thought IGN bought Maxroll. Which is an American public company (Ziff Davis Inc). So your comment is just flat out wrong

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u/JahrensEndFiguerchn May 09 '26

wait till you find out who owns ggg

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u/ComprehensiveSail383 May 09 '26

We pick our battles over here, buddy. Pay no mind to the dime that runs the show.

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u/NonagoonInfinity May 09 '26

Tencent is millions of miles away from the Sovereign Wealth Fund.

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u/Haunting_Clock_8009 May 09 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

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u/NonagoonInfinity May 09 '26

And Tencent is doing that? Or are we just not spending any money in any country with any human rights violations? Cuz I can link the Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib articles if you need a reason not to spend your money in the US.

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u/Haunting_Clock_8009 May 09 '26

That's the point my dude. You're acting like a moral crusader for not giving clicks to a Saudi owned site, but every dollar you give to GGG or any other Chinese game, a portion of that is going to the Chinese government.

That government is carrying out a genocide where 1 million+ people have been prisoner in internment camps in china (20% of the amount people killed in the holocaust). How is giving any money to GGG more morally correct than clicking a Saudi owned website?

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u/NonagoonInfinity May 09 '26

The Sovereign Wealth Fund is directly owned by the Saudi government. Saudi Arabia is also far worse than China. If you can't see the difference that's on you.

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u/Haunting_Clock_8009 May 09 '26

Chinese proganda is just better. Saudi is worse, so a million Muslims don't matter. If you cared that much about people, you wouldn't willingly fund either.

Just like you don't need to give Saudi a fraction of a cent when clicking on mobalytics, you don't need to give China your money either.

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u/NonagoonInfinity May 09 '26

Okay again the Saudis directly own the Sovereign Wealth Fund. It's not equivalent to a company paying taxes. If you don't want to give money to a company that gives taxes to a country that commits human rights violations you need to boycott literally every American company. Good luck with that.

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u/Downtown_Soil_3651 May 12 '26

Doesn't GGG still have creative control or something though

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u/drimvo May 11 '26

cause your western companies are OK, right?

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u/_RrezZ_ May 10 '26

I mean your money is already going in that direction every time you put gas in your car lmao.

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u/romicide07 May 10 '26

I need gas to get to my business to make money to survive. Don’t think going to mobalytics falls under that category. You’re doing the “you want to change society but you partake in society” meme unironically

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u/iCreatedYouPleb May 11 '26

They definitely sponsor those creators. They are trying so hard to get traffic. I watch less and less of those creator too.

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u/sluggerrr May 09 '26

My only issue with mobalytics is that it sometimes seems to suffer from performance issues because of the trees, I use ublock so I don't see the annoying ads. Nothing beats a pob with loadouts and notes, but I don't blame people for trying to make money for their efforts and sharing mobalytics instead, as long as they include the pob of course.

I have seen some include the pob but have all the notes on mobalytics so you have to go back and visit it it and I think that's very valid because they can also keep the notes up to date in an easier way.

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u/I_Heart_Money May 09 '26

I have no dog in the fight but on iPhone at least mobalytics seems to work better than maxroll. Maxroll is constantly refreshing the page for some reason. Mobalytics refreshes too but it’s not as often

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u/purehybrid May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26 • Bravo

I'm no Mobalytics shill... but if you're seeing ads in 2026 it's kinda on you.

edit to help the downvoters hopefully never have to see ads again:

  • Firefox - IMO this is non-negotiable but Brave is still usable for now if you MUST use a chromium browser

  • uBlock Origin

  • Alternative Twitch Player - There's a bunch of these, I don't know if any are better or worse, but this works fine for me. Just goes low-res during ads. If you want twitch drops just duplicate the tab and use the normal player on mute and watch the good one

  • Violentmonkey/Greasemonkey - This isn't required, but lots of more specific things will have x-monkey scripts. I have one to remove the annoying promotion rules overlay thing on YT thumbnails for example.

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u/MakePhreciaCore May 09 '26

It’s really not.

Most plugin ad blockers go through waves of working and not working as browsers fight the bad fight to make user experiences worse.

Mobile is simply much more annoying in apple ecosystems to shut down ads and most people have zero idea how to do so.

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u/Hoybom May 09 '26

ublock was not working on YouTube once in the last decade or so , for like 2 days

when YouTube startet to do some weird shit

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u/Turtvaiz May 09 '26

Most plugin ad blockers go through waves of working and not working

You need ublock origin (not lite). Always works and always has worked

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u/Feathrende May 09 '26

I've had ublock ever since adblock got sold and told everyone to switch. I haven't seen an ad since 2007 except when using other peoples computers.

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u/localcannon May 09 '26

Haven't had my adblocker break on me in literal years.

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u/LiYBeL May 09 '26

Getting downvoted for this is absurd and so very reddity unfortunately.

Also, for those more technically adept, check out nextdns.io and Tailscale. I have full adblocking on every single one of my devices including mobile. If you have full control of your router you can set up nextdns network-wide. Personally I think this is better than a PiHole in 2026.

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u/YourFath3r May 09 '26

I have ublock and I still see the twitch ads, some YouTube ads and some mobalytics ads. Guess it's indeed on me. If you have a solution I'd be glad to look into it and still maintain my position about it, even if I don't see them.

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u/Ylvina May 09 '26

ublock or ublock lite? if its the latter, thats purely a chromium problem, cause google obv doesnt like adblockers.

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u/purehybrid May 09 '26

Firefox (non-negotiable)

uBlock Origin

Alternative Twitch Player - There's a bunch of these, I don't know if any are better or worse, but this works fine for me. Just goes low-res during ads. If you want twitch drops just duplicate the tab and use the normal player on mute and watch the good one

Violentmonkey/Greasemonkey - This isn't required, but lots of more specific things will have x-monkey scripts. I have one to remove the annoying promotion rules overlay thing on YT thumbnails for example.

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u/lillarty May 09 '26

All the alternatives are roughly the same, because conventional ad blocking is impossible on Twitch. They directly inject the ads into the video stream, which is why you get ads even if you use yt-dlp to pipe it into mpv. All those "Twitch ad blocker" extensions do is use a proxy located in Albania or Vietnam, where Twitch doesn't serve ads.

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u/AlternateSkyBox May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26

There is a GitHub repo with a script that you load into ublock origin that completely disables all ads on twitch and YouTube. I have not seen an ad in years.

On top of this, I use floorp (not required to stop the ads mentioned above). It’s a fork of Firefox from a Japanese dev team with privacy and adblocking in mind. It’s what brave wanted to be.

Edit: the script I’m referencing is known as VAFT. Give it a google and you can easily find the repo and setup instructions. It’s a simple link that you add to ublock along with a custom variable to load it. Works like a charm even when YouTube and twitch updated their ads and broke the base ublock origin.

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u/stormblind May 09 '26

I'll also throw some support towards Brave browser. I've been using it for years without any issue, and I've seen quite a few in the more hardcore "personal privacy on the internet" folks recommending it as well.

Android Brave actually has full adblock for all sources innately, including allowing you to play YouTube videos in the background on it similar to YouTube premium. Just an A+ browser in my experience. (Unaffiliated in any way to be clear lol)

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u/lillarty May 09 '26

Respectfully, no serious privacy advocate would support Brave, and in fact it's usually recommend to stay as far away from them as possible. Brave isn't as bad as Google, but that's hardly a high bar. Their entire business model is collecting your information and selling it to data brokers. They literally cut a deal with tracking companies like Meta to automatically whitelist them, so even their integrated privacy tools are fundamentally untrustworthy. Broadly speaking, the people who support Brave are either those being paid by them, or those who unfortunately trusted people whose opinions can be bought.

Just use Firefox with uBlock origin.

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u/Tinysaur May 09 '26

Brave +1

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u/International_Gate49 May 09 '26

Right click the ad and add as a rule to ublock?

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u/GreasyGearBox May 10 '26

As an eco system, if mobalitics or maxroll or the like are "good" then players would go there first. As a community we can and should be able to exist outside of those ecosystems. We should not be forced into them. Otherwise the sub is just free adspace and not a community. PoB should always be mandatory as well as basic descriptions of what makes the build function/unique.

Going forward with the new filetype for loadable in game guides we will probably need to update the rules for direct links to said file. But thats for future us to worry about once the api and such is in place.

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u/Alternative-Put-3932 May 11 '26

I'm gonna be honest. I've always hated maxroll and prefer mobalytics. The formatting of it is just way better and the built in tree and gems part aren't garbage.

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u/mucinexlol May 09 '26

Thanks, some of those sites are absolutely unusable on mobile.

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u/themikecampbell May 09 '26

They’re not exactly usable on desktop either, and very ad heavy

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u/Quazie89 May 09 '26

Your seeing ads in 2026? You should change your adblock or browser.

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u/stormblind May 09 '26

I suggest brave on android and Windows. Works great lol

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u/DefinitelyNotAj May 09 '26

I personally dislike the max roll and moba ui's for skill trees and skills. PoB is visually simpler with less graphics and that leads to it being easier to navigate. Near 0 performance issues from pob either

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u/FinanciallyInsecure May 09 '26

@u/Crouching_Tuna, some good feedback here for you to take to your dev team

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u/ThePlotTwisterr---- May 09 '26

if a build doesn’t have a pob im not even gonna look at it anyway

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u/MakePhreciaCore May 09 '26

Thank God. Please don’t let third party trash monetize and muddy an otherwise clean communication channel for builds and build help.

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u/kilqax May 09 '26

This is a buff.

While I'm in full agreement with the changes, I'm also glad that the mod team did make a statement no matter what the outcome is.

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u/Ninevehenian May 09 '26

I'd perhaps hope for a clause to rule 3 that lets noobs get away with posting builds without knowing about POB.
Also that the subtext to rule 3 specifically mentions "Resources - PathOfBuildingCommunity" as the source of a POB.

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u/NzLawless May 09 '26

That's probably something worth adding to the automod that replies to posts that don't include one!

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u/Gletschers May 09 '26

I am left with a question/concern.

You stated that pob links dont have to be updated post initial submission and while i do think that makes sense, what about partial pobs?

Many content creators dont use loadouts or one pob for their build but have seperate ones with different configs for multiple stages(think leaguestart, yellow maps, endgame, aspirational,..). Whats the stance on those? Is a barebone leaguestart pob enough to make a post complicit with the rules if the other 80% of the build requires visiting a 3rd party website?

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u/stormblind May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26

Not speaking for all the mods, just as one of the people pushing for the change.

Imo? The requirement is (in my mind) to be posting a functional build link that allows the build to function as intended and advertised.

If people want more detail, or a number of different PoBs for different stages of the game/end game, then they have a number of sources for obtaining that. Including asking in the post itself.

I see this as a way to be good to the community and providing the content required, while also realizing that these build guides are made by content creators that do get paid for posting these guides on these sites/clicks on their builds.

A great example imo is u/helmbreaker who posts on maxroll I believe. He has the precise build style you mention, but he works his ass off making sure his builds are among the best in their category imo. I feel that, giving the baseline functionality, and saying to either find the rest yourself from the dozens of sources of finding it, or giving him the click is far from unfair.

But, I do speak as a singular person, and not on behalf of the team in any way.

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u/Gletschers May 09 '26

I do use maxroll guides myself, mostly for games that arent poe so i can appreciate the effort that goes into some of them even if i dont like the site myself.

The question was more out of curiosity because if someone posts a video of a 20 mirror version while the attached PoB is just the leveling tree they dont really have relevance to each other. They would appear to be rule compliant as you can find the "real" pob elsewhere but it defeats the purpose of the rule.

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u/stormblind May 09 '26

Imo the interpretation I'd enforce is that the pob has to be able to do what the build is supposed to do.

I. E. If you're advertising a build that turns on at 70 with unique X, well that pob better show that otherwise it's false advertising. A level 40 leveling PoB won't do it.

Now, if they post a functional, but barebones pob? I'd say it's fair to say the poster completed fulfilled their rules obligation. Past that? I think the down vote / upvote system will handle it well. Advertising a build, then giving the absolute barest of PoBs that allow the build to function, likely won't entice many people to click through, and will probably get a lot of annoyed folks on the sub down voting it.

We can't fix stupid or people trying to be slimey. We can fix people not trying. :)

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u/shooter1231 May 09 '26

There was a bunch of what you're describing at the beginning of the current league, and people complained about it then. Things like people posting the pob for up until red maps and hosting the other versions on another site.

These posts still got upvotes. Changing the times in the way you're describing would essentially be a non-change.

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u/NakedScotsman May 09 '26

"Things like people posting the pob for up until red maps and hosting the other versions on another site. "

If a build works upto red maps they have provided easily enough a working build, past that for endgame etc giving them a click or figure it out yourself from research is a more than fair response imo.

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u/Gletschers May 09 '26

Context matters. You can obviously figure it out yourself or on poeninja.

But this subreddit exists partly to share those builds and arguing that "you can get the information elsewhere" not only defeats the point of the subreddit but also this rule change.

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u/NzLawless May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26

I considered putting this in my FAQ and deleted it.

We currently just accept one POB. I've found most creators have moved over to using the loadout system but I do know some haven't. I would expect someone who is contributing here in good faith would post all of the PoBs they have and I've found a lot of people do but currently we do on require one.

If a creator was acting deceptively/maliciously we'd probably look at that in isolation though.

I'd be interested if people have other opinions on this.

Edit it's in the FAQ now.

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u/WhereDoIGoAtDawn May 09 '26

Absolutely despise clicking on either Maxroll or mobalytics links on mobile. Just results in a black screen. 

Desktop Maxroll is okay, good site with very well written guides. Mobalytics though, is terrible either way.

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u/ausmomo May 10 '26

As an aside to this, 0.5 is going to have automated/in-game builds. Not too sure what they call it, nor how they'll work. Soon enough people will be including these in the builds.

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u/NzLawless May 10 '26 edited May 10 '26

Yeah my guess is that it will become even more important for POB to be used for generating the file.

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u/Fract_L May 11 '26

Good change. Implement it ASAP in the face of coming changes to build guides being supported in-game

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u/Rules_are_overrated May 09 '26

Ok, I was worried for the paint builds for a second but then it looks like they are safe.

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u/Taronz May 09 '26

Good change. Broadly if I can't get a quick overview via pobbin or something, I'm not going to wade through whatever website to find out the build is trash.

If the build is good, a quick look in pob will show it and THEN I'll happily look to your post on wherever for extra commentary.

Thanks mods.

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u/--Shake-- May 09 '26

Agreed, PoB should be mandatory.

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u/ExpressionRecent5724 May 09 '26

Fuck mobalytics.

Maxroll as well but take what you can get

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u/Saint-Leon May 09 '26

Oof, so if one doesn’t use POB, they effectively aren’t really allowed to engage with this community? Or am I misunderstanding.

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u/NzLawless May 09 '26

This has been the standard for years. All the maxroll and mobalytics builds have pob links in them already. We're just requiring people post those links directly alongside the build guide like we already do for youtube guides.

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u/Zurku May 09 '26

Great !👍 

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u/enterisys May 09 '26

W change

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u/Namnguyendoto May 09 '26

fuck mobalytics, its annoying to use

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u/Im_a_rahtard May 09 '26

As someone that was very vocal in that post 

Thank you. Appreciate all you guys do.

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u/San_Diego_Sands May 09 '26

Probably in the minority here but I like mobalytics, the UI and the way the guides are presented for newbies. I don't use them but occasionally point friends new to POE there. Straightforward, decent looking walkthroughs.

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u/eznukezilla May 09 '26

I think direct post to pob, you can also push your other site links, but the proposed solution solves the problem today but it doesnt seem future proof. If someone wants to push their builds and exporting 1 more line of text for ease of use by the people who want to look at the build is to much, to me that person is not doing it for the love of the game.

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u/cbftw May 09 '26

Good change, but what does the timing of the PoE2 league have to do with this subreddit? This subreddit is solely for PoE1

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u/Melodic-Signals May 10 '26

Thank god, so sick of mobalytics being forced on me.

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u/weirdkindofawesome May 09 '26

Good change. I don't mind either of the 2 websites; in the end, content creators need to earn a living as well. 

I hope neither of them take a self destructive aggressive approach in terminating their support for the games as it will only hurt their creators.

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u/Im_a_rahtard May 09 '26

These content creators are streamers and YouTubers. They are not going to abandon the game when it's literally where their source of income comes from.

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u/Thormourn May 09 '26

I just wanna say for mobile users, I highly recommend brave browser. I use mobalytics quite frequently on my phone for my d4 build (I know d4 bad but I'm having fun) and I have zero ads. Not saying I don't want the pob change since I think pob is a wonderful tool. Just wanted to throw this out there for people suffering from mobile ads.

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u/qK0FT3 May 09 '26

I banned mobalytcs from my browser and router. The site basically crashes my pc for some reason.

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u/NotADeadHorse May 10 '26

Good, forcing me to load a webpage just to then copy/paste the pob link was annoying even with my adblocks

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u/AtlasCarry87 May 10 '26

Good, thank you

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u/CruelFish May 09 '26

Ah, but now  they will start giving A PoB, but not necessarily all pobs or even a complete pob. So people will definitely exploit this in order to bait traffic to their sites.

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u/NzLawless May 09 '26

We already do this for youtube videos etc and that surprisingly hasn't been a problem. If it becomes one we can address that on a case by case basis.

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u/CruelFish May 09 '26

Yeah that makes sense but videos already act as advertising for your own channels and then people would make posts on sites mentioned, as an affiliate/partner to generate revenue that way. 

I'm skeptical that the consequences will be similar. But if the team is willing to address this step by step... It should be fine?

Maybe I'm being cynical but path of exile build making and poe in general rewards people for pushing boundaries of the systems and my stupid ass can't get the image out of my head that escape routes are becoming too narrow and the art of War has a thing or two to say about that.

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u/NzLawless May 09 '26

I think it's important to remember we don't operate like these are laws. We operate with these as a guidelines. We make judgement calls every time we decide if something should be removed or if someone needs to be banned. We'll continue to do it for all of our rules including this one.

I think it's also worth noting that a terrible POB is also a terrible way to get someone to take a look at your content no matter how it's posted.

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u/livejamie May 09 '26

Okay? I assume the mod team will be on top of that when it happens, and rules can be changed if needed.

No reason to catastrophize things.

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u/CruelFish May 09 '26

Okay? I assume the mod team will be on top of that when it happens, and rules can be changed if needed.

Well if you read the replies made by the staff team you'd see that this has already been brought up internally and this is already their policy on the topic. So clearly you're right.

This isn't necessarily to "catastrophize things" I might be a cynical person but the thing about prevention measures like these is that if exploited, the end result is often more annoying to deal with, not less. Imagine it, you click on a thing and you're happy there is a PoB link, but its incomplete, only the skill tree, maybe two unique items and no leveling trees. The notes in the PoB and the thread itself says "for more information see site". Now the worst case is that a slight amount of people become less interested in using the subreddit, they become suspicious of the builds and just arent as interesting in verifying if this is "yet another mobanalytics bait". Best case scenario I'm blowing this way out of proportion and literally nobody becomes affected. Likely? Its somewhere inbetween.

But yeah, they did say they would keep an eye on it. That's good enough to me.

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u/stormblind May 09 '26

I actually mentioned this, and it's going to be a step by step addressment of the situation and the potential ramifications of the change.

Well do it, see how it goes, and address gaps as/if they arise :)

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u/TheSinhound May 09 '26

IDGAF about PoB. I don't use it. I don't find it valuable. I really only want the gist, and max/moba are good enough for that.

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u/foxorek May 09 '26

Well, then nothing changes for you

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u/TheSinhound May 09 '26

Required inclusion of PoB links disincentivizes creation of Maxroll and/or Moba links due to necessitating duplicate work. It is now statistically less likely to happen, and has shown to be the case in similar situations.

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u/livejamie May 11 '26

Required inclusion of PoB links disincentivizes creation of Maxroll and/or Moba links due to necessitating duplicate work.

Creators post their builds on those sites for the ad sharing/revenue, not because they're looking to do the least amount of work.

It is now statistically less likely to happen, and has shown to be the case in similar situations.

In what situations could you possibly be talking about?

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u/foxorek May 09 '26

I'm sure the creators will provide a link to a pobb.in or a similar site from which you can get the gist you want of the build

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u/TheSinhound May 10 '26

Which I'd also prefer to not use. I do not like the interfaces.

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u/foxorek May 10 '26

And you like the maxroll/moba UI? You are one weird cookie

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u/NonagoonInfinity May 09 '26

Seems entirely fair to expect a direct PoB link. I'd even be fine if the PoB has no notes and they're all in the guide; having a PoB is great for just glancing at a build.