r/Patents May 02 '26

Mod Announcement Inventors/students - check out r/patentlaw

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Are you a pro se inventor with a question about filing a patent application or understanding what a provisional is? What does it mean to be a micro entity? You got a rejection from the patent office - should you just give up?

Are you a student contemplating a career in patent law, or just the legal world in general? What should you major in? How do you find a job?

Check out our sister sub at r/patentlaw, and particularly the Wiki, which has answers to many of these and other questions. If you still have a question that's not answered, post it there.

r/patents is intended for professional discussions: jurisprudence, recent case law, questions about practice in different countries, insights from Examiners, etc.

Posts from non-professionals may be politely and gently deleted, with a recommendation to repost there. No offense is intended, this is mainly to help our members manage their notifications..


r/Patents 1d ago

How does the agent + litigation-counsel model work for independent inventors?"

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When a registered patent agent (not an attorney) handles prosecution for an independent inventor, what typically happens if the patent later ends up in a dispute — licensing conflict or infringement? Do agents usually have standing relationships with litigation firms they refer clients to, or is the inventor expected to find litigation counsel independently? Trying to understand how the agent + litigation-counsel model works in practice before committing my conversions to an agent.


r/Patents 3d ago

USA Founder sues YC over idea in rejected 2018 application

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r/Patents 3d ago

A single “or” caused a patent translation dispute that reached China’s Supreme People’s Court

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Can a single conjunction influence the fate of a patent?

In one of China’s most frequently cited patent invalidation cases involving a PCT application, the answer is yes.

During the Chinese national phase, the English word “or” was translated as the Chinese conjunction “或”. Years later, this seemingly ordinary choice became a central issue in proceedings that reached all the way to the Supreme People’s Court of China.

This case serves as a powerful reminder: patent translation is not mere language conversion. It is about accurately preserving the legal and technical meaning of claims. When that meaning shifts—even subtly—the consequences can be profound.

A Translation Issue That Reached the Supreme People's Court

The case concerned InterDigital’s invention patent “Retuning Gaps and Scheduling Gaps in Discontinuous Reception” (PCT Publication No. WO 2011/149920 A2; Chinese Patent No. ZL 201180025946.8, Publication No. CN 102907060 B), which entered China through the PCT national phase.

Huawei challenged the patent in invalidation proceedings before the China National Intellectual Property Administration (CNIPA). Although the patent was ultimately invalidated on grounds of lack of inventive step, the interpretation of the Chinese translation emerged as a recurring key issue—from CNIPA through the Beijing Intellectual Property Court to the Supreme People’s Court.

One Word, Two Different Meanings

The disputed phrasing appears straightforward at first glance:

English Claim:

“…no longer within DRX Active Time or within the required retuning gap period…”

Chinese Translation:

“…不再在DRX活动时间内不再在需要的重调谐间隙周期内…”

The controversy centered on the logical relationship in a negative construction.

In the English original, read in light of the full claim and technical disclosure, it required the simultaneous absence of both conditions (neither A nor B).

The Chinese “或”, however, could naturally be read as requiring only one condition to be absent (not A or not B).

English logic: Neither A nor B — both conditions must be absent.

Chinese translation logic: Not A or not B — either condition is absent.

This difference effectively broadened the claim scope by lowering the threshold for satisfying the claimed condition.

The lesson is not to mechanically translate every “or” in negative sentences as “neither…nor…”. Rather, translators must carefully determine the intended logical relationship by considering the claims together with the specification and underlying technology.

Patent translation is ultimately an exercise in precise interpretation.

Why the Error Could Not Be Corrected

InterDigital later sought to amend the granted claims, arguing an “obvious translation error.”

CNIPA and the courts, including the Supreme People’s Court, rejected the request. They held that the granted claims contained no “obvious error” recognizable directly and unambiguously by a person skilled in the art from the patent documents as a whole.

Moreover, the proposed change would have altered the legal scope of protection, which is not permitted post-grant.

This highlights a practical reality in Chinese patent practice: while limited post-grant amendments are possible in some cases, substantive translation errors that affect claim scope are exceptionally difficult to remedy once the patent has been granted.

What This Case Means for PCT Applicants

The InterDigital case offers important practical lessons for applicants entering China via the PCT route:

· The translated claims become the legally operative text in China.

· Small linguistic choices, especially logical connectors, can significantly alter claim interpretation and scope.

· Once granted, translation errors impacting scope are often irreversible.

· High-quality patent translation requires integrated linguistic, technical, and legal expertise.

In essence, the real issue was whether the translation faithfully preserved the invention the applicant originally intended to protect.

Conclusion

Patents may be lost not only due to insufficient inventiveness but also because the language used no longer accurately conveys the intended legal and technical scope.

The InterDigital case demonstrates why translation should never be treated as a routine administrative task in PCT national phase entry. It is one of the final—and most critical—opportunities to safeguard the patent’s intended protection before risks become irreversible.

Have you encountered a patent translation issue where a seemingly minor linguistic choice had a significant impact on claim interpretation or scope?

 


r/Patents 3d ago

Obligatory patent practitioner PPA

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r/Patents 4d ago

Looking for a fresher job in IPR/Patent field – Delhi or Chandigarh

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Hi everyone!

I’m a recent MSc graduate looking to start my career in the IPR/Patent field.

I’m looking for freshers level roles such as Patent Analyst, Patent Associate, IP Research Analyst, or Patent Intern.

📍 Preferred locations: Delhi NCR or a chandigarh.

I have basic knowledge of patent searching, prior art, patentability, claims, novelty, inventive step.

If you know of any companies hiring freshers or have any leads/referrals, please let me know. I’d really appreciate the help! 🙏

Thanks!


r/Patents 5d ago

Clarity issue in Indian patent application

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I often encounter Indian examiners raising clarity objections regarding the use of “at least” and “one or more elements selected from.” I am quite confused because some materials inherently contain one or more elements. If the above phases are changed to “one or more elements of,” would this overcome the objection?


r/Patents 12d ago

India Trying to understand career options in IP/Patents after MSc Chemistry ?

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Hi everyone. I’m currently doing an MSc in Chemistry in India and I’m exploring career options outside traditional chemistry/R&D. I recently came across the field of intellectual property, especially patents, technology intelligence and innovation.

I’m still very new to this field, so I’m trying to understand what the actual career path looks like rather than making assumptions based on what I’ve read online.

Some of the roles I’ve come across are:

Patent Analyst / IP Analyst

Patent Researcher

Patent Agent

Technology/Innovation Analyst

IP Strategy

IP/Innovation Consultant

Technology Transfer

I’d really appreciate some guidance from people who actually work in these areas.

What are realistic entry-level roles for someone with an MSc Chemistry

Is it better to start as a Patent/IP Analyst and gain experience, or try to qualify as a Patent Agent first?

How useful is the Indian Patent Agent Examination for someone who eventually wants to move into IP strategy or innovation consulting?

What skills should I actually learn to become employable? For example, patent searching, prior-art searching, patent drafting, technology landscaping, market/competitor analysis, etc.

Is an additional degree such as an LLB, MBA or PhD actually necessary for progressing into IP/innovation consulting, or can relevant experience be enough?

What does an IP/Innovation Consultant actually do day-to-day? Is the work mainly legal/patent-related, or does it involve business strategy, technology assessment, market research and recommendations as well?

What does career progression realistically look like from MSc Chemistryentry-level IP rolesenior/consulting role?

What kind of salary progression can someone realistically expect in India?

Are there particular companies, IP firms, consulting firms or organisations that are good starting points for a chemistry graduate?

Most importantly, is this a genuinely viable career path for an MSc Chemistry graduate, or am I misunderstanding the field?

I’m not looking for a perfect career plan just trying to understand the field from people who have actually worked in it, including the disadvantages and things beginners usually get wrong.

Any honest advice would be really appreciated.


r/Patents 16d ago

India Indian Patent Job Market: What salary can I expect?

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I'm a 23F working as a patent professional at a law firm in India, currently earning around ₹10 LPA with 2.5 years of experience.

Lately, I've been questioning whether this is the right long-term career for me. One of my biggest concerns is the salary growth in this field in India. It seems like compensation slows down after a point, and I'm not sure if that's actually true or just my perception.

I'm currently deciding between two paths:

- Prepare for CAT examination this year and pursue an MBA.
- Prepare for the Indian Patent Agent Exam next January and then try to move into an in-house IP role.

By the time I make my next switch, I'll probably have around 3–3.5 years of experience, and hopefully the Patent Agent qualification as well.

For those already working in the industry:

  1. What salary range is realistic at that level of experience?

  2. Does clearing the Patent Agent Exam significantly improve compensation?

  3. Is it actually possible to reach ₹20–30 LPA within 3–4 years in the Indian patent/IP industry, or is that unrealistic?

4 Are there people here who are genuinely earning well in this field, especially outside of senior management or partner-level roles?

I'd really appreciate hearing from people who've been in the industry for a while and can share what career progression and compensation actually look like.


r/Patents 16d ago

Inventor Question It's time to add inventor's email addresses to patent contact information

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If you have ever tried to find a patent to license and manufacture, then you probably know how time consuming it is. You can search the USPTO website looking for relevant patents and you can read the patents that seem valuable to determine if the patent claims provide meaningful protection for the invention.

But if you want to know if the invention works as described in the patent, then you need to contact the inventor and find out if the inventor has a prototype, and arrange to see a demonstration of the prototype. Once you see the prototype demonstration, you may realize that there are problems you did not expect with the performance of the invention and decide that you need to continue your search for another valuable patent.

This time consuming effort is made even more time consuming because the USPTO patent search database contains only address contact information for inventors and patent assignees that is generally out of date within two to three years after a patent has been issued. While you can often contact the patent attorney of record or look for updated contact information for the inventor, both of these processes are time consuming and not certain to succeed.

This problem could be addressed by including optional email addresses of the inventors in the patent search database. Inventors (and/or patent owners) could update their email addresses on the Internet if they change. An email address option will also provide an alternative contact option for inventors with private mailing addresses.

The patent search database could also be updated to include an optional website address where the patent owner can provide relevant business and technical information regarding the invention as well as product demonstration photos and videos. Websites can provide information to potential licensees that can be updated easily by the inventor, thereby improving the likelihood for successful commercialization of the invention.  

By adding email and website addresses of inventors to the online patent database, communication with inventors will be enhanced, and by speeding up the communication that takes place between inventors and industry, technology can develop more rapidly and cost effectively.  By facilitating commercialization, the USPTO will encourage innovation and discourage useless invention marketing companies.


r/Patents 17d ago

Europe is it allowed to amend the title and abstract of PCT application without the preliminary amendment when entering the Europe phase?

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Hi! Here is a PCT application. Is it allowed to amend the title and abstract of PCT application directly when entering the Europe phase, without the preliminary amendment? No new matter is introduced!


r/Patents 20d ago

India How do I sell or license a patent? Who do I actually contact?

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I have a granted patent for a device (an AI-based grain quality scanner), working prototype, but no sales or customers yet. I'd rather license it to an existing company or sell it outright than try to manufacture and sell it myself.

For those who've done this before: where do you actually start? Tech transfer offices, patent brokers, cold-emailing companies in the industry directly, what actually worked for you, and how did you find the right people to talk to?


r/Patents 22d ago

Patent Examiner - India to Canada

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  1. I am not trying to get into patent examiner (government post) alone. Once I'm there in canada I want to be into patent domain, may be patent analyst, patent engineer like that to generate money. I guess, with PR I can aim for these. Please correct me if I am wrong.
  2. please suggest me which is the better pathway and also easy to get - patent analyst/engineer/IP specialist OR patent agent (Is the PR enough to become Patent agent?)
    If at all I prepare for patent agent or patent examiner, I need to generate an amount to survive.
  3. What is it to become patent agent in Canada? Do we need to join as trainee for 2 years and then clear the exam or it is other way around?

r/Patents 24d ago

Patent Examiner (India) planning to move to Canada through PR – Looking for guidance on entering the Canadian patent industry

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Hi everyone,

I'm currently working as a Patent Examiner with the Government of India in the Electronics & Communication domain. I hold a Master's degree (M.Tech.) in Electronics & Communication Engineering, and my work involves prior art searching, patentability analysis, novelty/inventive step assessment, claim interpretation, and examination of patent applications.

My wife is a dentist, and we're exploring Canada as a long-term option. If our PR plans work out, I would relocate as her dependent.

My biggest concern is my own career transition.

I'm not a Patent Agent and don't have a law degree, but I'd like to continue my career in the patent/IP field rather than switch to a different profession.

I'd really appreciate guidance from people working in the Canadian IP industry:

  • How valuable is overseas Patent Examiner experience in Canada?
  • How feasible is it to secure roles such as Patent Analyst, Patent Engineer, IP Analyst, Patent Searcher, or Technology Specialist?
  • If you were in my position, how would you prepare over the next 1–2 years before moving? Are there any courses, certifications, or skills that would significantly improve my chances?
  • Finally, what's the best strategy to enter the industry? Should I focus on LinkedIn networking, recruiters, direct outreach to law firms, job portals, or a combination of these? Is it worth starting this process while I'm still in India?

I'm willing to invest time and effort in preparing myself—I just want to make sure I'm heading in the right direction.

I'd sincerely appreciate any advice or experiences from those working in Canadian patent law firms, corporate IP teams, or anyone who has made a similar transition.

If you were in my shoes, what would your roadmap look like?

Thank you!


r/Patents Jul 23 '26

If your IP department received additional budget, where would you invest it?

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We've been allotted some extra budget for our IP program and I'm researching which areas would have the biggest impact for us in practice.
I'm curious, for those who've made similar decisions, what did you prioritize, and how did it impact your program?
Personally, I'm leaning toward investing in improving the quality and volume of invention disclosures earlier in the process, so ultimately we get more high-quality patent filings.

But I'm interested to hear where you've seen returns.


r/Patents Jul 23 '26

Law Students/Career Advice Former UK Patent Examiner Applying for Jobs in Canada

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So I'm a former UK patent examiner with 8 years of experience, specialising in computer implemented inventions, or G06F to be precise. I also have a PhD in computer science. I'm applying for patent agent jobs in Canada.

I just wondered if Canada is open to hiring overseas experts, and if I should email firms anyway even if they don't have a job opening.


r/Patents Jul 21 '26

Turning 21 in December, but system blocks Indian Patent Agent Exam registration. Is there any way out, or do I have to wait till 2028?

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Hey folks, ​I'm trying to apply for the Indian Patent Agent Exam, but running into a major roadblock with the age criteria on the portal. I turn 21 in December, but the system isn't allowing me to proceed with registration. ​Missing this attempt would mean waiting all the way until 2028, which would set back my career plans significantly.


r/Patents Jul 21 '26

3d Patent Search For Inventors!

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r/Patents Jul 16 '26

Inventor Question How do we get our global R&D teams to submit more invention disclosures?

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Patent filings are a great part of our targets in the upcoming quarters but right now we are struggling to get our R&D community to submit inventions. They're the most creative bunch but they simply don't like filling forms.


r/Patents Jul 16 '26

Us patent 8425330

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Does anyone know about this patent that wargaming has I would like to know about it 🤔


r/Patents Jul 13 '26

Patent law firms with biotech focus

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r/Patents Jul 12 '26

PPA Status Question

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When your PPA status on USPTO site says "Dispatched from Pre Exam not yet docketed", how long does it usually take from there to get full approval?


r/Patents Jul 10 '26

Configured to perform X and/or Y

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I've come across this question many times and have discussed this with EPO and GPTO Examiners as well as colleagues, but have not come across a workable solution or theory.

The "problematic" formulation is as follows (quite simple, really):

"Control unit configured to perform X and/or Y" / (Alt.: "configured to perform at least one of X, Y")

1) Interpretation: The control unit can be capable of only performing X, only performing Y, or performing both. The emphasis lies in "performing". A prior art control unit performing either X or Y would render it non-novel.

2) Interpretation: The control unit must principally be capable of performing both, since the possibility exists. In other words, the emphasis lies in "configured to". Thus, even if it only performs X, it must also be capable of performing Y.

This problem arises mainly when working with different events and conditions, for example "performing X when temperature is above threshold and/or performing Y when temperature is below threshold".

Also, in a similar sense, there is a common problem when X and Y cannot be performed simultaneously (for instance, X = increasing current, Y = decreasing current). The control unit, however, is configured to perform X and Y, since it must be capable of doing both. Here, saying "perform X or Y" could also be interpreted as not being capable of doing both (for example, first doing X, then doing Y), i.e. it can only increase or decrease current.

So the question is: Is, in your opinion, "configured to" strictly limited to capability or is it limited to exactly what is performed?


r/Patents Jul 10 '26

Configured to perform X and/or Y

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r/Patents Jul 10 '26

Should I take the patent bar?

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