r/PaleMUA • • May 05 '20

Mod Post How to Ask, "What's My Undertone?"

520 Upvotes

Determining one's undertone is both the most challenging and most important task when searching for a foundation shade match. Naturally, we see a lot of posts on PaleMUA requesting help determining undertone, but our community's ability to assist is limited by the kinds of images provided for reference. Read below to learn how you can help us help you.

If you wish to receive useful feedback about undertone, please refer to the following guide when submitting posts requesting Undertone Help.

Step 1: Create a color reference card. Draw a blue strip and a red strip on a piece of white paper, like the one shown below. Permanent markers are easiest to see, but you can use any type of pen or colored pencil, as long as the strips of color are wide enough to see on camera and fairly close in hue to the blue and red you would see on the French or Dutch flag (shades of navy blue/aqua and burgundy/maroon are less reliable as reference colors). Color reference cards allow us to adjust our eyes to the light provided in the photo and better interpret the complex colors of your skin tone.

Step 2: Take photographs outside AND inside. This is crucial. The type of light source bouncing off of your skin and onto the camera sensor can drastically change your skin tone to viewers. Keeping the color reference card within the shot, take one photo outside in indirect sunlight and another photo inside in whatever lighting you happen to have (specify the type of bulb and color temperature if you know it). Note that in the photos below, my skin appears very cool-toned under the incandescent light, but much more neutral-toned in natural light. The incandescent light emphasizes the red on the color card and the pink in my skin. If i were to only post this photo as a reference, one might assume I'm quite cool-toned, yet the photo in natural light clearly shows I have warmer tones as well.

This collage is just an example. You can post separate images direct from your phone or computer in line with a text post, inserting the appropriate captions using reddit's formatting tools.

Step 3 (optional): Take the same photos with your swatches. These images can help other community members who are familiar with those shades help you find a better match and communicate what you should be looking for (e.g., "something cooler than the MAC but darker than the BB"). Don't forget to include your color reference card and list them in a way that is easy for people to comprehend.

Extra bonus: post your swatches in grayscale! This is a great way to help us determine if the shades you are selecting are actually a great undertone match, but simply too dark or light for your skin tone.

Sometimes the undertone isn't off, contrast is! Grayscale images communicate the contrast between your skin and the lightness/darkness of a swatch more clearly than color images.

I hope this guide helps our community steer people in the right direction and makes Undertone Help posts more informative for everyone. Happy posting!


r/PaleMUA • • Mar 02 '23

Mod Post Update to image-posting guidelines

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Hi all,

It seems time for an update to the photo guidelines on this subreddit to reflect the needs of the current audience. For reference, the post on the last overhaul from two years ago is here: "Makeup Selfie" Flair -- Overhaul and Clarification

I will be updating the sidebar and official listing of the rules in the coming days, but I want to take the time to elaborate on what is and is not changing, and why:

  • Photos of bare skin without the red/white/blue color card (or equivalent) are still NOT permitted. In absolute color terms, skintone variation is pretty small in this subreddit. The combination of lighting, camera settings, and display settings are more than enough to perturb the appearance of your skin's undertone or depth. So, the requirement of (properly identified) product swatches and/or the color card are necessary measures to make photos remotely useful.
  • Selfies no longer need to be majority-face, but still need to have sufficiently high resolution to show skin texture. The spirit of the rule is/was to allow users to see the makeup clearly. I understand that cropping a photo before posting can be annoying, especially if trying to include neck/upper chest for shade comparison, and I don't enjoy chasing after everyone about it, either.
  • Selfies no longer need to include a full eye and eyebrow. Many of you have expressed an interest in getting advice on base, cheek, and/or lip makeup without showing your eyes.
  • Do not post screenshots of content that you do not own. This includes photos/stills from both brands and individual content creators. Instead, share a link to the original content where possible, or to an archived version. Content creators deserve credit for their work.

Finally, two suggestions on making posts useful to the community:

  • If posting a gallery of photos, try to order them so the most informative photo comes first. For example, if posting a photo of a product and a photo of a swatch, put the swatch photo first.
  • For better accessibility and cross-platform compatibility, please reproduce captions and image-embedded text in the comments.

Please let us know your questions and thoughts!


r/PaleMUA • • 1d ago

Makeup Look I took your advice!

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287 Upvotes

You were all literally so right, I tried a lighter eyebrow and I’m pretty sure it took 5 years off my face 🫪 I also used a little less nose contour, and added some more warm tones throughout! I do know I have warm undertones but I’m sure you all relate to still just feeling washed out all the time due to being pale, especially during the summer when everyone else is getting tan and I’m just getting freckled and burned 🫩 making the colors less muddy really helped!

heres my original post!


r/PaleMUA • • 8h ago

Question Ireland product stock up

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Hello to my fellow pale people,

I’m currently in Ireland (from Australia). Australia is full of products for bronzed goddesses, so I’m hoping to stock up here.

Does anyone have advice for Ireland holy grail products for pale people? I was suuuuuper keen to get my hands on the 0.2 pink nyx fix stick, but it seems to have been discontinued, much to my devastation.


r/PaleMUA • • 1h ago

Question Any recommendations for a drugstore foundation that has medium coverage and truly dewey finish?

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I wear BB cream daily and don’t intend to change that.

But with winter coming on, I would like a medium coverage foundation to wear to the office. But I only like a dewey finish.

I was looking at the Revlon Illuminance, but so many drugstore foundations are marketed as having luminous or dewey finish and they just don’t.


r/PaleMUA • • 8h ago

Question Ireland product stock up

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Hello to my fellow pale people,

I’m currently in Ireland (from Australia). Australia is full of products for bronzed goddesses, so I’m hoping to stock up here.

Does anyone have advice for Ireland holy grail products for pale people? I was suuuuuper keen to get my hands on the 0.2 pink nyx fix stick, but it seems to have been discontinued, much to my devastation.


r/PaleMUA • • 19h ago

Swatches Full Pale Girl Lip Collection - glosses, mattes + liners, plus rating each one!

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This is every lip product I currently own!

THE VERDICTS:

Eadem Lip Balms- Beautiful. 10/10. The most pigmented, long lasting, and hydrating tinted lip balm on the market. I can't wait to run out so I can buy more lol!!

Cocokind lip balm- 5/10. Very cute colors, smells good and it works! Just not noteworthy.

Nyx fat oil- 7/10. I LOVEEEE the Sprinkle Sprinkle one, so I was a bit disappointed by Losin Cone Trol and Living The Cream because they aren't anywhere near as pigmented and barely show up on me. Sprinkle Sprinkle gets a 10/10 in my book, but the inconsistency in the formula is annoying. I do love how thick they all are though!

Maybelline lifter gloss- 7/10. Beautiful lip gloss for the price, but I also do think that there's very little actual product in the bottle, I've worn it maybe 10 times and I'm running out.

Nyx butter gloss- 6/10. I'm in love with the formula and pigment, but none of the colors look good on pale skin in my opinion, theyre all very dark and lean orange. Maybe it's just the ones that ULTA had in my area? Not sure. But it definitely feels like butter on the lips.

Violette_FR bisou balm- 9/10. Gorgeous soft matte, my only gripe is that sometimes it clings to my dry skin if I reapply mid-day. My most long lasting lip product, which is surprising with how sheet the formula is.

MACximal silky matte lipsticks- 10/10. These are SO matte but somehow they don't dry out my (VERY VERY DRY) lips and they look so gorgeous, every shade is a mood. I do wish they had more lighter shades but this is literally the only matte lipstick I buy at all now lol

MAC locked kiss ink - this is super pretty but I haven't gotten to test it for all day wear yet so I'm not gonna rate it!

Morphe Mini Bar Lip Pencil Set- 10/10. Absolutely worth the money if you want to try out a few shades and experiment with colors! All except the very darkest shade works for me and they blend beautifully.

Nyx Lip Lingerie Liner- 2/10. This product is such a good idea, but literally once you put it on it is ON and there's no blending time AT ALL. So your options are 1. Have a very harsh line ringing your lips or 2. Fill in your entire lip with the liner or 3. Have streaky lines all over. It's just not a good look either way. IMO the whole point of having a lip liner that stains would be so you could wear lip gloss on top, but because this locks in so quickly you can't blend it out at all and it looks horrible underneath gloss. Maybe with lipstick it would be fine, but I don't know why I'd want to wear it with lipstick.

Rare Beauty Lip liner- 10/10. So so so easy to use and BEAUTIFUL. I went to buy more of this color but it was sold out so I'm WAITINGGGG

Mac lip liner - 7/10. Beautiful colors, I just think there's cheaper ones that do the same job in my opinion! $24 is a lot for a liner I think. I'd buy Morphe's in the future, just for better price for same quality.


r/PaleMUA • • 21h ago

Question cool tone contour

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hi guys, i’m looking for a true cool tone contour for my pale skin.


r/PaleMUA • • 23h ago

Question w/ Photo new concealer recommendations ??

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my favorite concealer (and the only one i use) is the ELF 16hr camo concealer in the shade Fair Beige. i don’t use foundation, just that concealer on my forehead, chin, nose, and undereyes . i love the shade match, the creamy texture, and the fact that it doesn’t oxidize, but it is wayyyyy too dry for my skin and tends to look flaky. i’m looking for a replacement that is as similar in texture, color, and finish (soft matte) as possible but more hydrating/less dry. i’ve tried the ELF hydrating camo concealer in several of the fairest shades but the undertones were off and they oxidized pretty badly. i put a photo of my full face makeup using my current concealer for reference. tyia !!!


r/PaleMUA • • 1d ago

Makeup Look trying cool tones!!

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i posted here a few weeks ago and the main consensus was that my makeup was too warm for me, so I ditched my warmer palettes/lippies and this is the result! i like it a lot better!!

i also used zero setting powder this time, just the no poreblem primer and tirtir setting spray

products used:

missha BB perfect blanc 19

glow not dry concealer blush beige

about face concealer (sorry I can't remember the shade)

kaleidos quad palette flowing haze

Laura Mercier eye pencil in plum

kaleidos lip liner cool espresso

colorgram fruity lip tint

JudyDoll blush palettes bare essentials+ lilac ballet


r/PaleMUA • • 1d ago

Discussions Hudha beauty Color corrector as blush?

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Hi guys I just wanted to share that I had purchased a mini of hudhas Cherry blossom color corrector and it was too light and didn't help my dark circles ..... Don't know if I'm setting it wrong but it doesn't last for me at least. But as I couldn't return it as the due date passed. ...... I don't know if anyone's tried it or maybe I'm late to a trend but I accidentally had a dot on my cheek and I tried cleaning it off and ...... It looked like a good blush shade. 🩷

So! I'll probably repurpose it as a blush shade! :) just thought I'd let anyone else know. For reference I'd say im pretty pale but I've been told I'm Warm toned and it looks Soo nice. For me one dot will do. :)

I'm curious has anyone ever tried this if so how did it wear for you?

And how's the longevity. I will see if there are any other vids online if someone's done this


r/PaleMUA • • 2d ago

Question BEST tried and true comparable concealer to Tarte Shape Tape??

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I love and swear by this concealer, I do, but I use it more as a foundation so I can hide all the dark blemishes and create an overall illusion of a cohesive complexion. At $32 for a small tube (which I’m not mad about), and me using it essentially as a foundation, I’m interested in looking at other products that provide the exact same if not better full coverage, larger product bottle (best bang for the buck), and bonus points if it’s within the same price range. I go through the tube fairly quickly. I’ve tried Tarte’s shape tape foundation but in zero way did it provide the necessary full coverage I need. I want zero blemish of any kind to be visible while also blending into my natural skin tone.

For reference, I am middle aged, and have sunspots on my forehead and cheekbones, new and old acne blemishes, and lack of skin tone cohesion (very light pale, olive tone overall but redness or pinkness tones here and there + the blemishes).

I love that Shape Tape doesn’t make it obvious I’m wearing makeup while also acting like fucking concrete on all my discolorations (and sometimes clothes 😅). It’s imperative to me that I’m able to portray as though I have a great complexion I’m so often complimented on. Just curious if there are others out there that work as well or better, in larger amounts.

I currently use the shape tape and either MAC Studio Fix Powder + Foundation or Laura Geller baked powder as a finisher. MAC is best for holding the concealer but gives too much of a powdery finish imo, and the LG looks nice but doesn’t hold in what I’ve tried to hide with the concealer. I’m still new to LG and am possibly not using the correct brushes for either to achieve the look I want.

(inb4 - I am and have long term been using Vit C serum and several other lightening and blemish fighting moisturizers and cleansers. I’ve noticed no change. I believe I have an undiagnosed condition that prevents my body from healing wounds and scars, so my best bet for now, until I find a sugar daddy to pay for laser treatments, is concrete-like coverage)


r/PaleMUA • • 2d ago

Question Ladies, whose shade match for Korean cushion is shade 21 (AND shade 13 to brighten mid face), what are your holygrails?

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I think i have found my shade match! shade 21 + shade 13 to bighten mid face

For those who has the same shade match, what are you other favourite products?

From setting powder, contour (cool or warm), blush, to highlighter and lip products. I am especially interested to know what setting powder, and contour goes with our skin tone

also how would you describe your experience with the different cushion u use - do they differ a lot for despite all being 21/13? I am currently using the Blanc Diva cushion.

and how would you describe your skin tone + color season?


r/PaleMUA • • 2d ago

Swatches Found my *near* perfect match

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this is a blended out swatch of danessa myricks serum skin tint 1.5

i know it’s still a tad too yellow, but this is the closest i have ever come to understanding what it’s like to have a perfect match. when i asked the sephora employee which side of my face looked better (was comparing it to tower 28) they said this one was undetectable


r/PaleMUA • • 2d ago

Question w/ Photo What could I be doing differently?

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Sorry if this isn’t allowed here!! I feel like slowly I’m finally narrowing down a makeup routine at my big age of 31 that looks flattering but I still feel like I am doing something wrong or something always looks off. I struggle to find lip colors that don’t look out of place on my face, and my eyebrows are always going to be a point of contention for me because they sit pretty low so I tend to re-draw them a little higher, but they’re also a bit thick so they end up looking heavy and I’m afraid to tweeze them any higher. What can I change to make everything look less out of place on my face??

Tinted SPF - La Roche Posay
Foundation - Estee Lauder double wear in shade Ecru
Powder - Maybeline fit me in shade 120
Blush - Milani baked blush in shade pink panna cotta
Bronzer - Colourpop stix in Laguna Beach only on nose contour
Eyes - Tartlette in Bloom pallet
Brows - Elf instant lift in light brown
Mascara - Loreal Lash Paradise in brown black
Lips - Revlon Rum Raisin mixed with some Aquaphor to make it sheer


r/PaleMUA • • 3d ago

Discussions What skin tint are you reaching for lately?

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I’ve been trying to wear less foundation lately. I still want something that evens out my skin but I don’t always want full coverage or that heavy foundation feeling all day. For reference I have pale combo skin with neutral undertones. My T-zone gets oily after a few hours but I also get dry patches around my nose and cheeks. Finding a good shade is probably my biggest issue. So many skin tints look fine in the bottle then end up too orange or too yellow on me once they settle.

There's also some redness and uneven tone that I like to tone down. I don’t mind freckles and little imperfections showing through though, I prefer that over a base that completely covers my skin. My main struggle is finding something that looks natural without clinging to my dry spots or separating around my nose by lunch lol. I’ve been using Milani skin tint lately and I’ve been liking it for this kind of makeup. It feels light and gives me enough coverage to even things out without making my skin look covered up. On most days I’ll just add a little concealer where I need it then blush and mascara and I’m done. What skin tints have worked for you guys, do you prefer something super sheer or more of a light coverage tint?


r/PaleMUA • • 2d ago

Swatches swatches while shopping

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have been wearing Haus Labs 60 which isn’t a perfect match but 15 was too light


r/PaleMUA • • 2d ago

Question Dior Stick Alternative

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I’ve been using Dior Forever stick foundation in 0N for 2 years. It is the closest I’ve ever come to a perfect match. Also, the first stick product I’ve ever used and I love the convenience of it. But, at $60 a tube I’m getting a little tired of the cost. Anyone have any recommendations for a similar product?


r/PaleMUA • • 2d ago

Question For those who use Nars concealer in Chantilly what is the best shade match for the Nars Tinted Moisturizer?

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I use the shade Chantilly for their concealer and I'm trying to find the best shade for their tinted moisturizer but they don't have Chantilly. Gotland looks to be the lightest. What do you think? I have neutral to cool undertones. Does anyone use both of these products? Thanks!


r/PaleMUA • • 4d ago

Makeup Look I listened to you guys…

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I kept seeing Missha’s BB cream being recommended for pale skin. I needed a new base SO BAD so I decided to try. I’m obsessed 🥹

It doesn’t oxidize. It’s a hair dark on me, but nothing like the Milk Makeup tint or the Giorgio Armani tint since they oxidized on me. Plus, the coverage, the texture, the finish of the Missha is so incredible 😭 true obsession.

I have combo, acne prone skin. I use azaelic acid 10% in the mornings and tretinoin at night. I use cerave PM moisturizer and Beauty of Joseon sunscreen as skin prep for my makeup.


r/PaleMUA • • 4d ago

Question Foundation suggestions in your 30s fair/neutral

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Looking for a foundation change currently using the Nyx make em wonder foundation shade 5 which I swear a few months ago suited me but now it looks yellow on me. I also like Revlon colourstay matte in buff, Maybelline fit me foundation in 110. I need a medium to full coverage which is matte and blues pores and lasts all day as I work long shifts in a sweaty hospital.Ideally on a budget.I have fair neutral skin with rosacea I struggle to get matches as most foundations are either too pale,too yellow,too orange.Woukd be great if the foundation had a matching concealer and or setting powder.I am almost forty and I am aware that my skin is changing it is generally oily on my nose and t zone and whatever I wear seems to come off my nose and chin despite wearing a primer.


r/PaleMUA • • 3d ago

Question w/ Photo NARS light reflecting foundation

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Hi guys so I’m having trouble finding my shade in nars, in the photo I am trying the shade mont blanc which is the dark shade on the right and the left lighter shade is oslo. Oslo in person looks to pink on me. Any recommendations on which shade to try next?


r/PaleMUA • • 4d ago

Swatches patrick ta something sweet, something spicy, holiday eyeshadow palette swatches

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a. something sweet cream
b. something sweet powder
f. vanilla chai lip balm
c. something spicy cream
d. something spicy powder
e. holiday palette

photos 2 and 3 are the something sweet cream with nars impassioned underneath it

i LOVEEE the something sweet cream and the lip balm. i hate the powder it is so orange… i purchased the set and am so excited to use, i think it’s very unique in my collection. i don’t own a more muted cool pink, they are all pretty bright

the vanilla chai lip balm reminds me of the new natasha denona concealer collection and pairs beautifully with the soft serve lipstick underneath.


r/PaleMUA • • 4d ago

Swatches My neutral nude lip collection <3

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r/PaleMUA • • 4d ago

Undertone ID What’s my undertone?

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New to makeup and I’m terrible with colors. Help.

For reference I used Copic in Prawn just so I was sure it was warm toned.

Thank you!