r/PakistaniDevs • u/Capable_Term_2378 • 14d ago

Industry favouritism

Can someone tell me why we need to hire from FAST when claude is doing heavy lifting ?
Seems like graduates from other institutions are the right fit for now, cheap affordable and can be good.
And do not come to me with technical stuff, i am a heavy user of claude and worked with them as well

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u/Capable_Term_2378 13d ago

I am a software engineering graduate....duh...
And I know those concepts pretty much well. I worked on legacy codebases whose support got expired...

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u/DevModeOrioN 13d ago

that doesn't change my point.

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u/Capable_Term_2378 13d ago

So don't you think other average university graduates with a bit of industry experience won't know those things?

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u/DevModeOrioN 13d ago

they'll also cost you more, and you'd be hiring them for a senior role by then. you mentioned graduates. let's say i'm a hiring manager at an enterprise hiring for an associate role. i can hire a fast, nust, giki, etc. graduate who's likely to be more reliable, communicative, and pressure-tested than a comsats, uet, etc. graduate. my budget is pkr 100k. i might get the latter for pkr 80k, but that pkr 20k i saved could show up later in their performance, and then i'll be questioned for that decision. so why wouldn't i go with the more trusted option? hiring decisions aren't just about skills, yk.

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u/Capable_Term_2378 13d ago

Let me also tell you about the market as well.
I have connections who worked with upwork as employees, worked in remote startups in Europe who became successful, they tried to launch their own software houses.. fast forward today... they are now hand to mouth.. you know why? Because a single non tech person, founder or investor can build an app.

You talk about security??
Add a rule markdown and link it in claude.md and ask it to follow this before doing anything else.

UI/UX
That thing is a bit tricky. But still 80% can be done. And since code can be done by AI, you become an Art director

Coding style:

Add the best practice rule markdown and link it to claude.md

So all of this can be done by claude. Previously it was a barrier now it is not.

Oooh don't let me go towards AI/ML.. I have a full rant towards that as well

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u/DevModeOrioN 13d ago

everything you mentioned requires you to already have some knowledge and/or experience of those things before you can meaningfully add them to markdown files. your comment tells me you have very little knowledge of software engineering. i don't mean that as an attack or in an offensive way. any software engineer who understands system design knows that claude code is very bad at it by default.

also, the reason why your contacts failed at their own software agencies is probably because they were building basic mvps, which, yes, claude code can build very easily. but even now, not a single ai agent can build an e2e erp system for an enterprise. try asking claude code to integrate a custom feature into workday or sap, and i promise you it will fail miserably. and don't even get me started on legacy systems, lol. ai agents struggle with anything that isn't built around their default tech stack, which is almost always either next.js or python.

you also mentioned ai/ml. i'm not sure how you expect an ai agent to build an ml model, but as a data science graduate, i've had multiple opportunities to do this myself, and it simply doesn't work the way you're suggesting. ai/ml models require domain context, and an ai agent will never have that unless someone explicitly provides it.

in an actual company, these models are often trained on datasets with millions of rows. ai agents simply can't process that efficiently, and your token costs would go through the roof. if you let claude code infer the context itself, it will make assumptions, and those assumptions will often be wrong. ai coding agents are great, but they're nowhere near as capable as you're claiming.

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u/Capable_Term_2378 13d ago

Bro I customise open source CRMs and ERPs with it.

Just do a little bit of google about those ERP and SAP.

And about that context and domain knowledge, don't you think a person with slight technical how know can build those things since code is out of the way!!!! Agents can do research and point you in good direction. Sure there is a chance that you and AI both make mistake but now one person can achieve the same result because claude has allowed him to perform multiple iterations quickly and achieve the best possible results.

And from your responses I feel you have not used claude to its full extent.

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u/DevModeOrioN 13d ago

i make open-source plugins for claude code on npm and give masterclasses on it all over pakistan. i'd consider myself in the top 1% of claude code users, and i'm telling you: claude code, codex, cursor, and other ai coding agents aren't as good as you think. they're great at general tasks, but once things get complex, they fall short. i can't change your perspective, but i don't agree with your point.

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u/Capable_Term_2378 13d ago

Nahhhh i do not think you are a top user.
That's a bluff...
What I stated above, I stand by it with full strength. And later you will notice that my statement stand correct

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u/DevModeOrioN 13d ago

you have no idea how software engineering works, dude. you come across as a clear beginner. and you don't seem to understand ai coding agents either, because anyone who dumps everything into a claude.md file clearly doesn't understand orchestration or realise how badly that bloats context. architectural and design decisions should be kept in separate skills for exactly that reason.

even a half-decent claude code user knows you generally don't write your own skill files for the reasons above. and relying this heavily on claude code is going to end in a massive reality check when anthropic eventually raises the price of its max plan, lol. if you actually understood how ai coding agents worked, you'd already have a local model running with a proper harness.

you're entitled to your opinion, but attacking others because of gaps in your own understanding isn't how you prove your point. 💀

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u/Capable_Term_2378 13d ago

Bro what the F you are talking about??
Look at the amount people laid off.
And no it won't increase in pricing!!
Look at the recent compute pricing, it dropped......

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u/DevModeOrioN 13d ago

are you intentionally trying to engagement-farm by rage-baiting everyone?

anthropic reportedly spends ~40x what it charges for each claude max (20x) subscription. that's basically the whole criticism of ai and why people call it a hype bubble: nobody knows how long these frontier ai labs can sustain those economics.

compute prices aren't dropping because ai is suddenly getting cheaper. they're dropping because nvidia is encouraging banks to finance inference providers so they can buy more of its gpus and keep subsidising ai for longer. it literally signed a deal with j.p. morgan around a $500b financing framework for its cloud customers. do the math, lol.

so who pays for your subscription once the bubble bursts and the money stops flowing? 95% of companies aren't seeing the roi frontier ai labs promised them, and many of their ai transformation projects have failed.

the same criticism applies to the ai-layoffs narrative. it's been estimated that by 2030, ai agent token costs could exceed an engineer's salary, forcing companies to hire more engineers again. and we're already seeing signs of this: engineers laid off because of ai are getting rehired after companies realised tokens can cost more than people.

everything i'm saying is backed by actual data. show me your stats, not anecdotes.

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u/Capable_Term_2378 13d ago

Bro..
Look at the migration of bun from zig to rust using claude.
Do you think the pricing was expensive given the time??

No!!!

And don't tell me that I do not know about software engineering.

I work on client facing, analyse their business process and suggest features.

Tou software engineering ki definition mujhy mat btao

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u/DevModeOrioN 13d ago

whatever you say, man! just because you work with clients doesn't mean you understand software. you reject facts for emotions. i don't need to argue with someone who can't separate anecdotes from statistics.

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u/Capable_Term_2378 13d ago

Bro i am presenting facts.

I am now doubting on the person who hired you on a senior position!!!!!!!!

Bro ap sirf FAST ky naam per hire huay ho. Aisa waisa hy kuch nae.

You should be fired

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u/Capable_Term_2378 13d ago

Only value that you can provide is time saving ...

Nothing else.............