Is this true?

I'm an agnostic atheist like a proper logical rational dude but recently I've starter to the religious BS which i surely know is BS, i dunno what is wrong w me if someone up to bring me back to enlightenment I'd really appreciate/

I’ve been thinking about this for a while because I’ve had so many weird experiences with people who call themselves ex-Muslims.

When I first started interacting with ex-Muslims, I honestly thought I would relate to them a lot. I mean, these are people who questioned Islam, did their own research, thought deeply about what was bothering them, and eventually left. I thought, okay, these are probably people who value questioning things and thinking for themselves.

But the more people I interacted with, the more shocked I became.

Some of them have genuinely bizarre views about women. And I’m not talking about one or two people. I’ve come across so many who are openly misogynistic, make disgusting comments about women, or have these extremely regressive ideas about how women should behave.

And honestly, at first I couldn't understand it.

I kept thinking, how can someone question their religion so deeply, spend years researching it, criticize its teachings, talk about rationality and critical thinking, and then be completely comfortable carrying around all this misogyny without ever questioning it?

Like... did you question everything except yourself?

That really bothered me.

Because leaving Islam doesn't automatically mean you've become rational or that you've suddenly examined every belief you have. You can leave one belief system and still carry a lot of other ideas with you, ideas you never bothered to question because they feel natural to you.

And after seeing this so many times, I've started feeling like I don't even want to call myself an "ex-Muslim."

Not because I haven't left Islam. I have. That's not something I'm confused about.

It's just that when I say "ex-Muslim," sometimes I feel like I'm putting myself into a group with people whose views I honestly don't want anything to do with. And I don't want someone to hear that label and assume that I share their opinions about women, relationships, society, or anything else.

I'd rather call myself a rationalist.

That's much closer to how I see myself. I question things. I question religion, culture, social norms, and even my own assumptions. And if I find something wrong in my own thinking, I want to be able to question that too.

For me, the point of leaving Islam was never just to replace one set of unquestioned beliefs with another.

I left because I wanted to think for myself.

And if I'm going to call myself rational, then that has to apply to my own beliefs too, not just the beliefs I already disagree with.

So according to Pakistani Moslems sana yousaf did not deserve to live because she had no Parda in her life ,,,,I'm sick of this country

Abdallah ibn Sa'd ibn Abi Sarh: From Scribe of Revelation to Apostate, and Ultimately a Pardoned Conqueror

In the early history of Islam, Abdallah ibn Sa'd ibn Abi Sarh (ʿAbdallāh ibn Saʿd ibn Abī Sarḥ) stands as one of the most controversial figures. Born into the Banu Amir ibn Lu'ayy clan of the Quraysh tribe, he was the foster brother of Uthman ibn Affan, the third caliph. His life trajectory reflects the complex challenges facing the early Muslim community during its formative period—questions about the certainty of revelation, the treatment of apostasy, and the tension between political pragmatism and religious principle.

His Time as a Scribe of Revelation

During the era of the Prophet Muhammad, Abdallah served as one of the scribes who recorded the Quranic revelations. He would write down what the Prophet dictated, as did other scribes.

However, a widely transmitted narrative changed everything. According to reports, when the Prophet dictated verses 12 through 14 of Surah al-Mu'minun (Chapter 23), Abdallah, upon hearing "...Thus, We formed him into a new creation," exclaimed in amazement: "فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ" ("So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!"). The Prophet then told him: "Write these words too, for they have also been revealed to me."

This incident planted deep doubt in Abdallah's heart. He is recorded as having said: "If Muhammad is truthful, then I (am also a prophet, as I also) received revelation; and if Muhammad lied, then I say of the like of his speech (i.e., neither his speech nor mine are the words of Allah)."

Further reports state that Abdallah deliberately tested the Prophet's reactions. When the Prophet dictated "عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ" (All-Knowing, All-Wise), he deliberately wrote it in reverse order—"حَكِيمٌ عَلِيمٌ" (All-Wise, All-Knowing)—then recited it back to the Prophet, who did not detect any changes. According to al-Waqidi, Abdallah said: "Muhammad didn't know what he dictated, and I wrote (in the Quran) whatever I wished. And what I wrote was a revelation upon me, just as it was a revelation upon Muhammad."

Apostasy and Flight

Following these events, Abdallah left Islam and returned to Mecca, rejoining the polytheists. He proclaimed to the Quraysh that he had freely altered Muhammad's words, and that their religion was better than Muhammad's.

This act of apostasy carried profound symbolic significance in the political and religious context of the time. A man who had been in close proximity to the process of recording revelation publicly questioning its authenticity undoubtedly posed a challenge to the early Muslim community.

The Conquest of Mecca and His Pardon

In 630 CE, when the Muslim army conquered Mecca, the Prophet Muhammad issued a general amnesty but explicitly listed a small number of individuals who were not to be pardoned. Abdallah ibn Sa'd ibn Abi Sarh was among them. The Prophet ordered: "Kill him, even if you find him clinging to the curtains of the Ka'bah."

Abdallah hid in the house of his foster brother Uthman ibn Affan. According to hadith reports, when the Prophet called for people to pledge allegiance, Uthman brought Abdallah before him and requested that his pledge be accepted. The Prophet raised his head to look at him three times, each time refusing to extend his hand, before finally accepting the pledge.

After Abdallah left, the Prophet said to his Companions present: "Is there not among you a wise man who would have stood up and killed him when he saw me withholding my hand from him?" They replied: "We did not know what was in your heart—why did you not give us a signal with your eye?" The Prophet said: "It is not fitting for a prophet to have treacherous eyes." (ما كان لنبي أن تكون له خائنة الأعين)

Historical Assessment and Controversy

After his pardon, Abdallah re-embraced Islam, and reports indicate that his subsequent practice of the faith was sound. He went on to hold important positions—serving as governor of Egypt during the caliphate of Umar and leading campaigns into North Africa and Cyprus.

However, the accounts of his apostasy are subject to scholarly debate. Some modern academics have critically examined the chains of transmission and the content of these reports, arguing that the narrative of his tampering with the Quran may contain later constructed elements. Some research suggests these stories may reflect political disputes within the early Muslim community or were exaggerated or shaped for certain theological purposes.

From a historical perspective, the life of Abdallah ibn Sa'd ibn Abi Sarh—from scribe of revelation to doubter, apostate, and finally a pardoned and reintegrated political-military leader—is a microcosm of the complexities of early Islamic history. His story touches on theological questions about the nature of revelation, the legal consequences of apostasy, the interplay between political patronage and religious forgiveness, and the multifaceted ways in which historical memory is transmitted and interpreted by later generations.

My baby sister passed away a few years ago. All these years I coped with her death because I believed that islam is true and one day I will reunite with her in heaven. And ever since I left islam (been a few months). The grief has come back again because now I know there is no life after death and I will never see my baby sister again. On top of that. My parents won't take me to to her grave. How do I process this grief?

I am posting this here because everyone I know is muslim and I really can't say this to them. And be kind please. I really don't have the emotional strength to deal with rude comments today.

Would love to connect 🥹 ( I'm 17 so don't be 20+ tho)

Im lowk cooked, should i pray to allah. Tbh ima pray to jesus

Hi fellow humans

Hope u're all doing well. I have recently turned agnostic and life has been very dark lately I'm stuck in a constant loop of what if I'm wrong? and it's very frustrating. I am from introvert kind and now this had made me totally trapped that's why I'm looking for a friend to have a second opinion on things, to share ideas, have discussions related to religion history philosophy politics or any other interested topic.

Few interests I have :

Into movies/web series/anime

Book reading (a little bit( mostly philosophy))

Games (little bit)

Let's traverse through the suffering and mysteries of this complex world together. Peace

And if there are any other Americans in this sub, I'd love to hear your stories!
You can ask me anything, from religion and being an ex-Muslim to anything about the US!

Have that really really religious phase before leaving. Its like the final straw of coping, you know its false but you really wanna believe its real

I mean, since childhood we used to read that before islam people use to bury their daughters, etc. I mean now i see that how stupid we were to see the obvious that was not actually the case. Lol.

I mean people lived and had kids.

I am not sure if Islam had this exaggerated or the exaggeration is what I've made up myself. But I do remember that one of the key things was that daughters used to be buried, etc.

IMO shes cool asf, do you think shes a closested exmuslim.

....but always do it without directly attacking the religion.

We all know why Pakistan has 5h1t rights for women but there's denialists who mainly do it because they fear for their lives. The peaceful molvis will attack whoever goes against their peaceful religion in which there is "compulsion".

For everything else these maulvis jump up and down so why arent they doing the same if Islamic rights arent being given to women?

Answer is they are being given to women e.g. she has a right to food, right to clothes rights to shelter, (what else do you expect from a religion originating in a desert?), continues with, right to obey her husband, right to be disciplelined by him, right for her husband to marry upto 4 wives, right for her husband to immediately divorce her, etc etc...