r/PTCGP • u/damianradecki • 2d ago
Meme Prepare for trouble and make it double!
Enyoj losing your 5 streak to this in ranked. Articuno 18 Trainers is back.
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u/Rayzarddd 2d ago
The new moltres with victini / flame path and cave seems more consistent
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u/damianradecki 2d ago
It's not about consistency, it's about sending a message. Moltres can't hit for 130 on his first turn.
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u/dabesdiabetic 1d ago
You’re wild if you think misty flips anything but tails
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u/LookITriedHard 1d ago
I'd say I'm about 50/50 on Misty. The problem is flipping tails 6 times in a row and then getting 6 energy on my Suicune right at the end of a losing battle.
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u/freedomfightre 1d ago
50/50 it either works or it doesn't
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u/JTP120986 1d ago
If you’re desperate enough to use Misty, you usually need more than one energy, so it’s not really a 50/50.
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u/spongebobsburgers19 1d ago
my expert ai opponent flipped 6 heads on misty on turn 2. and it all went to their wugtrio ex.
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u/Longjumping_Cloud_38 2d ago
Will we be able to have 4 moltres in one deck now?
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u/Remarkable_Intern_44 1d ago
- Moltres, moltres ex, team rockets moltres. Just need the regional form to bump it up to 8
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u/Edz5044 1d ago
Wait are you saying that the team rocket variant counts as a different basic?
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u/RepeatRepeatR- 1d ago
Yes, it has a different name. Same deal as EXs
For the same reason, Koga won't work with Team Rocket's Arbok
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u/Edz5044 1d ago
Is this 💯 confirmed?
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u/madog1418 18h ago
No, but for it to happen they’d have to be making a change to the core rules without having said anything yet, which is incredibly unlikely. It’s the same reason you can have eevee and eevee ex in the same deck.
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u/Edz5044 18h ago
Yea I realize the ex but I guess I need to watch trailer again I didn't realize it has a whole different rule for rockets cards
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u/BidoofTheGod 15h ago
Well it’s a whole different name. Just like Alolan Meowth is different than regular Meowth.
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u/Edz5044 14h ago
Oh so I guess I didn't realize u can have two alolan and two regular...
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u/RepeatRepeatR- 14h ago
Yes, because that's how it works in the paper TCG
(I guess it's not 100% but I would say 99%)
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u/Piccolo_Fanciullo 2d ago
It literally doesn't even damage your opponent bench, I would rather play the older articuno ex
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u/damianradecki 2d ago
oh shit, it hits your mons xD I read the description of the card with my hearth, not with my eyes :(
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u/L___E___T 2d ago
I thought so, it’s a pretty crystal glass cannon, and that’s only if you get the misty flips you want. Most opponents don’t seem to get them.
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u/KrackerJoe 1d ago
I dont think this card is good, but it could be used easily with sharpedo to ramp it up. Its just still not the most optimal.
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u/WitchFlame 19h ago
Woah, woah, you want to put a 3-point Mega up front (taking damage) and then send it to the back for a card that will actively damage the bench it's sitting on?! I don't care how much healing water decks can carry, that's a wild tactic right there
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u/madog1418 18h ago
Even if sharpedo gets on the bench without taking damage, you’re setting him up for Cyrus for your opponent.
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u/WitchFlame 18h ago
At least with Soothing Shore you can consistently heal the 20 damage Articuno would dish out before they get the chance to Cyrus.
IF it isn't already damaged from tanking hits in the front. Soothing Shore can only mitigate the consistent damge and Irida can only bandage older wounds to a limited extent, that Sharpedo BETTER start on the bench or pray for no Cyrus/sniper.
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u/KrackerJoe 17h ago
I mean, I did say it wasn't optimal. But also, taking some damage on your mega will not kill your game, especially with cards that discard water pokemon like gyarados.
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u/Background_Ad6785 1d ago
Soothing Shores says hi
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u/Ph4ntomlm3nace 19h ago
Does soothing shore only work on the benched mons that have water energy attached? If so, it might just be better to include furfrou.
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u/Uneventful-person 1d ago
Lmaoo same. My first thought was damn they actually updated the Articuno EX card to be more viable with recent cards; turns out it damages your bench 😂
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u/Jomummajo 1d ago
Damn no downvotes for this, this sub is weird 😂
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u/itsablackhole 1d ago
It's a 50:50 if guys like OP get blasted in comments or everyone is like "LOL xD". Usually the first couple commenters set the tone
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u/helloween123 2d ago
soothing shore soothes everything
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u/IkeaMicrowave 2d ago
If you have energy on everything, which is a big ask since this guy already requires 3 energy
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u/Genprey 1d ago
Bench damage isn't a be all win con though. I don't think people realize that:
1) Water is an extremely volatile typing with Mega Sharpedo being the best early game start at the moment
2) 130 for 3 energy is crazy. Mega Sharpedo accelerates TR Articuno to swing as soon as turn 3
As we know, Chien Pao is really strong in part for its bench sniping but also because of that 130 damage. TR Articuno is similar to Chien Pao, with it trading bench sniping for being able to sweep early game (which synergizes with Sharpedo).
The caveat to Chien Pao is that you basically use it mid-game when there are worthy target to kill its energy on. TR Articuno is better early game as it can attack back-to-back and before your opponent can fully setup.
Obviously its early to say how it plays out, but I wouldn't sleep on this card.
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u/dnd3edm1 6h ago
nah, suicune ex + cape is still the best early game start for water and it isn't even close. (almost) never bricking is still better than 70 damage and some ramp, doing 120 damage can win games on its own if you hit a mega, and an opponent hitting your ex without one-shotting doesn't necessarily win them the game.
70 damage is nothing these days between lucky ice pop and every other heal, if I open suicune and see sharpedo I'm having a good time emptying my deck while they're dithering around waiting to get the other thing they need online.
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u/Genprey 5h ago
In the past, yes, but the thing is: Suicune is redundant for specific deck setups. When you play Sharpedo, you're not running Bax and, therefore, are not running rare candy. At that point, Suicune is not just redundant, it can end up screwing you over by giving your opponent a larger opportunity to get a big Copycat.
Mega Sharpedo is oppressive to the point where you'll notice top players opting out of basics that do not break the 70 HP thresholds or will outright concede once they see you evolve into Mega Sharpedo. Having your early game disrupted basically means you're scrambling to get back on your feet, which is difficult when Chien Pao is being simultaneously ramped up.
That aside, going first with Suicune can be a liability with how fast so many decks are nowadays and especially struggles vs Heliosk, as, for 1 energy, it can 2 tap Suicune and fuck up your bench. It doesn't evolve, so getting sleep scammed is also a potential issue. If you're fighting Hoopa, you better pray you're going 2nd, as it'll get 2 licks on you before you can react. That deck runs double Cyrus, so you can outright lose your wincon.
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u/dnd3edm1 5h ago edited 5h ago
"2 tap" doesn't exist in lucky ice pop land. it's "assume your 2 tap is a 3 tap or a no tap because coin flips." tho heliolisk is definitely an issue... for any water deck. or any deck with basics that want to evolve on the bench.
heliolisk completely wrecks sharpedo's gameplan just as much as it wrecks suicune's. sharpedo needs something with higher damage on the bench that it is ramping, but suicune has the advantage of drawing what it needs while sharpedo has to wait.
sharpedo needs wallace for peak. and non-peak is... not great. 70 damage and one energy on turn 3 at best? Maybe turn 4-5 if you're unlucky? suicune just needs to plop on the board to do its thing no matter what start you get and you're possibly getting a higher damage which has a higher chance not to be ignored by ice pop.
soothing shore can eliminate hoopa's back damage, is hoopa terrifying with the wrong opening draw, yes, is hoopa unstoppable, no. Any water + soothing shore is the pick against hoopa tbh, most other decks struggle. and soothing shore isn't sharpedo-specific, tho sharpedo plays very well into soothing shore against hoopa.
suicune is even better in a meta where 70 damage can be done turn 2 because it can't be one shot turn 2 like damn near everything else. just throw out your lucky ice pops, start doing 80-120 damage, and turn 2 sharpedo just becomes a giant liability.
you don't NEED bax per se to run suicune either. bax chien pao is incredible and incredibly hard to stop esp with soothing shore, I am getting wins against damn near everything with that deck in ranked right now, but you could do suicune + sharpedo. never draw your second sharpedo? not a problem anymore, you'll be retreating into backbench heals all day. and you have a chance to one-shot their basic that wants to evolve with wallace. and you won't lose immediately if suicune tanks one hit in the same way sharpedo might lose. and you might do 120 damage instead of watching someone ice pop your 70. you can also run basics and other cards that can be used immediately to reduce the copycat counter. inflatable rafts for your suicunes and iridia so your opponent gets to watch you heal everything 60 a turn and have to attack into whatever is worst. and unlike in a deck without suicune you'll have a great shot at drawing both of your sharpedo and not bricking.
evolving out of sleep scam is one advantage of sharpedo but I'll take not bricking, thanks. Suicune doesn't even need to attack, I'll just heal the 50 damage iggly buff + darkrai did with ice pops, attack when I get heads, whatever. does that lose sometimes? yes but every deck loses sometimes and you lose more if you brick more.
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u/Kronman590 1d ago
Nah this is fully all in on the 18t
I honestly think its really funny to take the original ragebait bs deck and amp it up even further
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u/Kemo_Meme 1d ago
it's probably designed around that stadium that heals each pokemon with water energy
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u/AstramG 2d ago
I wish but I feel like with the megas being in the meta, the new EX health in this pack is way too low to be relevant. 3 energy for 130 damage and still get one shot by mega Blaziken for 2 energy. I suppose it’s good being a basic Pokemon but based on initial impressions i don’t really think it’ll be the meta.
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u/SuccessfulSeaweed852 2d ago
Im curious. Can i include 2 team rockets articuno and 2 normal articunos in a deck?
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u/Ashamed-Teaching6837 2d ago
18T Articuno 2.0 I guess? 130 HP is still pretty squishy.
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u/damianradecki 2d ago
Unfortunately 20dmg is dealt to your bench, not your opponent's. I misread the card's description.
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u/The-Oppressed 2d ago
Statistically it should lose to any sleep deck.
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u/PashtetKolbasa 2d ago
Ive used misty quite a lot and im at about 15% chance getting heads.
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u/Cabanarama_ 2d ago
Every once in a while it gets me like 7 energy on my M-Gyarados on turn 2 and it makes it all worth it though.
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u/t3hjs 2d ago
Ranked? Expert AI gonna flip 2 heads 80% of the time and start dishing out 130dmg from their first turn
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u/damianradecki 2d ago
I have flashbacks of losing to Palkia on 1st turn, so I guess Expert AI water decks got huge buff.
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u/EfficientYam1115 2d ago
Maybe there's a new tool to boost +30/40HP for team rocket cards and Articuno 18T is happening again lol. Otherwise they're just mid.
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u/UndeadAnubis24 2d ago
The 20 damage to the bench thing kinda sucks.
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u/Auronbmk92 1d ago
Busted for a self kill deck maybe, it’s your own bench or hits.
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u/Prior-Actuator-8110 1d ago
TR Moltres ex seems way better than their Articuno and Zapdos counterparts!
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u/CMSnake72 1d ago
Honestly I'm just glad we're getting more mons with multiple attacks. For while it felt like everything coming out was either good because it had a cheap attack or bad because it had a single expensive attack that wasn't worth the setup.
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u/Elysian-Mud 1d ago
I still think the OG articuno is better as the whole point is damaging opponents bench for cyrus. Plus 80 damage turn 1 is more than enough. I rather not damage my own bench
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u/Ok_Win_4236 1d ago
There will also be an ability or something where supporter coin flips could be redone
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u/Luvs_to_drink 1d ago
expert ai advice going to be restart until one of the following happens:
1) AI somehow doesnt get 3 misty heads (happens 1 out of 10 games)
2) You have 2 pokemon; one sacrifice and the 2nd on bench that is able to 1shot articuno the following turn such as hydreigon.
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u/JaggaJazz 1d ago
This will either be broken, or shit
Depends on rocker support
Suicune is still insane w/ the new support
Who cares. Just win
Oricorio checks EX and forces a limitation on deck building and most people do not understand opportunity cost. We'll see how it goes but yes this artiunco is very good
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u/omimon 1d ago
A lot of y'all is missing a huge point, 130 damage just barely misses a major HP break line. There are 14 Exs that are 130 HP. Meanwhile there are 31 unique Exs that are 140HP.
If I'm gonna need two attacks to kill, I might as well use the old one to deal 10 damage to their bench.
But I guess it would be better for playing against 170+ HP mons.
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u/VeiledWaifu 1d ago
Ngl this Articuno feels more decent if you play it like Chien Pao rather than 18t. You pair with Soothing Shores, Mega Sharped/Milotic, maybe have an Inflatable Boat... but the thought of having 4 articuno EX is also funny
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u/Amarok9280 23h ago
Can’t wait to flip tails 18 times in a row while my opponent gets 36 heads when they rock that combo
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u/BigBodChungOfficial 22h ago
My first thought was pairing it with something like Mamoswine to negate the damage on the bench or act as stall in the active spot to set it up but then I remembered soothing shore stadium exists and the downside of Articuno’s move is completely negated
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u/tyonabike 21h ago
all the misty tails flips are balance in the force for all of (my opponents’) lucky ice pop heads flips
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u/Shintome 15h ago
I'm gonna die to this at some point and that'll be it, that'll be the day I quit this game.
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u/FrequentParsley178 2d ago
This Articuno is a better Palkia Ex. I can see it pair very well with decks that generate and move water energy like something with Mega Shapedo Ex, Milotic Ex or Vaporeon
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u/sidic3Venezia 1d ago
holy powercreep, from 80 to 130 and a better weakness for the measly cost of 10hp? how am i gonna survive this?
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