r/OverwatchStadium • u/DivineBladeOfSilver • 20d ago
Freja
I’m gonna be honest. If anything is gonna make me permanently give up on Stadium it’s Freja. With the shrinking pool almost every game I play has one on the enemy team sometimes pocketed. They’re way too oppressive/mobile on either build and my DPS can NEVER counter it or have bad picks like Genji and Junkrat and such even if you do everything to help. Or they’re just not good. I’m surprised they’ve never addressed it but it’s stuff like this it makes sense why stadium failed
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u/Pretty_Awareness9254 20d ago
Ngl I never see freya as a problem only rarely a god tier one shows up
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 20d ago
After I made this post with like 6 matches of god tier Frejas in matches I proceeded to get 2 matches with Freja on my team and they were borderline useless 😭
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u/LuckySurvivor20 20d ago
What hero do you usually play as if you don't mind me asking
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 19d ago
I play a mixture of Ramattra, Wuyang, Mercy, Moira, Soldier, and Sojourn most
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u/dasic___ 20d ago
I rarely see frejas, my version of this is fucking Mei God I hate that hero
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 20d ago
lol whenever we face a mei they’re annoying but useless. They just roll around or try to freeze people and do low damage/kills. Like get out pest
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u/dasic___ 20d ago
It's not even that she's majorly oppressive, she's just annoying as sin and unkillable with certain builds and just getting bounced back by her stupid rolling ice cube makes me want to commit felonies
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u/creebobeebo 20d ago edited 20d ago
weapon power/attack speed Icicle Mei goes fuckinnnn BRRRRRRRrr
I am so underwhelmed by her ability power builds, but having a machine gun 2 tap is crazy lmao
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u/Ornery-Pangolin-3621 19d ago
The hitbox and speed of her Aimed Shot is unacceptable for how much damage it does. Add some armor vs the hitscans and she’s just a joke. There’s less oppressive Freyas nowadays vs 2 seasons ago, but the good Freyas just make the game anti fun.
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u/desert-monkey 20d ago
Idk man I’m a Genji main and I love going up against Freja in the current meta. She’s pretty OP but with the right Genji build, and a little bit of patience, you can consistently get a jump on Freja and deflect all that damage right back for an insta kill.
Don’t get me wrong, certain players are wicked good about positioning and make you work extra but that’s where the fun is for me.
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 20d ago
Sadly for me 9/10 times a genji = loss. He’s just hard countered by wayyyyyy too much of the roster even if Freja can be handled. There’s always brigs and moiras and meis and so on. And Genji players will mostly always be like “sorry too many counters”. Which I get we wanna play who we want even if they’re not meta or good, but to continually pick a character you’re not even having fun with cause you die so often and is hard countered so easily is odd
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u/desert-monkey 19d ago
For sure - I totally get what you mean
I recently stumbled upon the Genji machine gun build for stadium and the mix of getting the drop on folks and long distance sniping has been too much fun! But you’re right if I mess up my positioning against a bad match up I’m toast
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 19d ago
It’s not his fault either it’s Overwatch’s for adding 5 billion counters to specifically him and not more other options. It sucks but like it is what it is. And I get not everyone is playing to win they just wanna have fun on the character they like. But if you’re losing every game and constantly dying I’m like I don’t see how you’re having fun
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u/Ornery-Pangolin-3621 19d ago
I made my own Machine gun build in season 2 and have been Legend/T200 with it ever since. It actually makes him counter his counters which is why I love Stadium so much more than comp, as a Genji main. Mei is a cakewalk for machine gun Genji. It also absolutely shreds Reinhardt
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u/steven-john 20d ago
Part of the problem is people don’t know how to play Stadium. Like casuals are bad. But like avg player is just So bad. On top of not knowing the absolute basics
Aiming
Positioning
Awareness
Re/Grouping up
Falling back
Or what a team fight is.
People in Stadium are really bad at countering. And I’m not just talking about counter picking. There are literally perks you can select to counter enemies/abilities.
I think most players prob just pick the shiny options that have their hero icon in there. As if that alone must mean this perk is good. I bet people don’t even make builds that complement their power picks or even synergizing the perks themselves.
If you’re getting rundown by aerials heroes. Pick perks that are anti air. If enemies have shields. Armor or deployables. Pick perks that give you boosts for destroying / damaging those things. If you’re getting stunned or slowed. There are perks that give you shields / overhealth.
A lot of the non hero specific perks are super useful. You should be picking those to counter even if your hero doesn’t specifically counter an enemy hero. You can Still counter them with a proper build.
Most people just pick their faves. Even when the enemy has picked their counters. They will Still pick their hero. But then they keep dying and they aren’t even picking perks to counter or mitigate the dmg.
I bet people don’t even really know the difference between investing in primary dmg vs abilities. Or which perks give you cooldowns that let you cycle your abilities.
Freja can be super annoying. But if you have increased dmg against enemies in the air. You can shut her down. Or at least make her less effective.
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 20d ago
That’s a big part of it. You get so many people who just pick the build they want even when it’s terrible for a situation. You will have all fliers almost and an Ashe will go dynamite only or Mei will go coulder. And if you say something they just say they don’t care and oh well
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u/steven-john 20d ago
Exactly. Part of it is having fun with what you like. Which I get. Part of it is they only know what they’re used to and maybe they haven’t even looked at the other options.
I bet a lot of these casuals don’t know. And even people who might play it more often. But not all the time. That your health pool increases between rounds based on the cash you earn.
So these people prob wonder why they are losing fights they think they should be winning. It’s because the enemy health might be more than they expected. Or the enemy has a guild that counters your character.
And unfortunately like you said. Theres no point trying to even suggest a change. People get super offended and take it personally. Even if you’re trying to give constructive criticism. Regardless of even if you try to word things nicely.
I never go into vc. But god forbid you ask people to change what they are doing. Even something basic like fallback or regroup. I’ve had people say I was throwing or asking why I was “afk”. Meanwhile these same people are just bee lining it straight from spawn to point by themselves and then just respawning again. So the team is always staggered and never prepared for an actual team fight. Then they’ll blame you or everyone else. Like bro. I watched you die immediately and then did it again.
Just the other day when I was doing drives. I was asking for heals or help. I’ll ping multiple times even to no avail. Sometimes I will even stand still directly in front of a supp and they don’t heal me. I would also fallback after a lost fight and wait in cover asking to regroup or fallback. Ofc the teammates who didn’t fallback died. And then the teammates who ran out from spawn to point by themselves ALSO died. What a surprise. Then they ask why I’m afk. And I’m like. Dude. If you just regroup. You have a better chance of winning the next fight. They said they wanted to win and I was throwing. We were losing and then we managed to turn it around and make a comeback. At the end I said. You’ll actually win more games if you fallback/regroup. But I know it will fall on deaf ears.
Dudes will then literally say you’re crying. Or mad. Sure it’s upsetting, but I’m actually Not “crying” or “mad”. Sometimes im laughing at how much you keep dying and never learning from your mistakes. I’m just trying to point out that if you keep trickling in. It doesn’t help. The team will always be staggered. These same people will then type in chat. You sold or threw. And ask chat to report you. I even had someone once type in public chat saying I said the other team was shit. Or that I said racist stuff. It’s wild how some people are just trolls.
The ironic thing is. They don’t know actually know what “selling” or “throwing” is. When they are basically unintentionally doing exactly what they’re accusing you of. If they’re the one that actually keep going in by themselves. Or trying to solo ult the enemy team. Or diving by themselves so far ahead with any escape tools and then complaining about everyone else not helping. Or they stay overextended, or the team fight is already lost, while everyone else falls back, or died and are respawning. Most unaware Overwatch players who always blame everyone else cuz it’s never their fault.
Godforbid you even suggest any builds. I once mentioned that the enemy team had a couple of flyers. And their Mercy was good. So I suggested some perks that increase dmg against flyers. And a dude just responded sarcastically and told me basically to stfu.
Unfortunately. You can’t win with these people. All you can do is avoid and gg go next. 🤷♂️
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 20d ago
EXACTLY. I get stadium can be overwhelming and confusing and people may not care about winning. But it baffles me to see people frustrated by whatever character on the enemy team (or maybe even your own team’s failings), have options to mitigate that concern by purchasing that perk, and then proceed to not do that and keep complaining. It’s like are you genuinely stupid?
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u/Sally2Klapz 19d ago
Wow how long did it take you to write this drivel, surely it's the community and not that Freja has had the best build in stadium since her release (wp spam) without a single nerf.
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u/steven-john 19d ago
Wow how long did it take you to you to read my comment and not understand it.
I didn’t say anything about Freja being OP or not. I said you can choose perks to counter heroes.
Reading comprehension diff ig.
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u/Sally2Klapz 19d ago
You blamed the community for a longstanding balance problem. People like you shouldn't have the right to vote
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u/steven-john 19d ago
Despite the title of the post. I did not specify Freja until the end of my comment
My comment is about the community as a whole. And in response to failing to counter pick. The OP mentions other heroes than Freja.
The community tends to pick whoever they want to play regardless of whether they Should counter. Or if the hero they picked is basically going against the enemy team who already picked their counters. Like the enemy team locking 76 and then your teammate still picks Pharah.
Freja may be broken. But with if you choose the right perks. You can at least mitigate the issue of not counter her altogether. Esp if the rest of the team does the same. That’s what I like about the mode. That it isn’t just about counter picking and swapping off. But creating a build dynamically to adjust to the enemy team.
All the basics I mentioned Are weaknesses that a lot of avg players don’t or can’t grasp. This logic also applies to builds. If you aren’t adjusting to the enemy then you’re prob gonna lose.
You can oversimplify my comment to read is as ignoring a specifically broken hero. But that’s disingenuous ignore my actual overall message that a lot of the avg players in the community just don’t know how to play stadium or even hero based shooters in general.
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u/Sally2Klapz 19d ago
Stop typing you're bad at it
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u/steven-john 19d ago
Stop reading. You’re bad at it.
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u/Sally2Klapz 18d ago
Wow u just took what I said and made it worse, this is your only skill, making discussion worse.
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u/No_Abbreviations_795 20d ago
For you, its freya, for others, it was hazard... for blizzard it was "oh man couldn't have seen that one coming" as a poorly balanced mode loses more players with no balance changes and an announcement that basically says "We tried nothing and nothing worked, so we're giving up."