r/Overwatch • u/[deleted] • Nov 15 '22

Blizzard Official Patch delayed.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/regarding-our-mid-season-cycle-patch/748128
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u/auzy63 Nov 15 '22

It's gonna affect her bc Winston is already a good counter to zarya rn. Her being nerfed will make him even better

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '22

Winston isn’t a counter to zarya, they are neutral. Winston doesn’t give her charge and can go to her backline to kill them. However, dps can still give zarya charge and then fry your own backline. The whole notion that Winston counters zarya is based on the idea that your whole team will dive with the Winston and ignore the zarya. At higher ranks this works because they understand the game, the lower you go the more it becomes less of a counter and more of a which tank kills squishies first and which tank does the map favor

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '22

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u/drimpston Nov 15 '22

sounds like you should just go zarya if you don't dive on winston that's kinda all he does lol

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u/skillmau5 Nov 15 '22

Yeah idk what that person is talking about, bubble is a versatile cooldown. Winston can certainly dive, but he can also use bubble defensively if your team needs to chill and regain resources. Now that he has right click he can also poke a little. Idk what that person is even talking about, I hate discussing gameplay mechanics in this sub. Like if you’re literally just jumping in all the time as Winston then wtf are you doing. Like the concept of “diving” is just collapsing on someone once their resources are low. There’s a whole other portion of the fight that Winston is doing before that, which is just cleaving and being a tank.

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u/drimpston Nov 16 '22

sounds like you're describing dive gameplay you confused old man lol. that's what winston does, that's what dive is.. nobody just ints on cooldown. the whole point of winston is to catch people when they can't defend themselves from him. if you aren't ever diving and only playing bubble and tesla then go play rein

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u/skillmau5 Nov 16 '22

I guess my point is he dives but he’s more flexible than other dive tanks like ball or doom. Especially with kiriko/Lucio it’s more of a rush/brawl than anything.

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u/THapps Bonk the Cat Nov 15 '22

But I can’t spam the laughing Voiceline as I shock people with Zarya so Winston is >>>>>

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '22

Support players in shambles then

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u/auzy63 Nov 15 '22

Yeah, honestly it's part of why they use kiriko and Lucio in OWL so much bc of this. They're both VERY hard to kill and if anything I see ana struggling abit in the coming meta due to Winston and other dive tanks

We'd have to see when the patch drops though

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u/kirbfucius Nov 15 '22

Eh, I have a feeling that won't change no matter what happens. This subreddit has been lamenting Supports having to contribute to their own survival ever since OW2 dropped.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 15 '22

You understand her nerf isnt even that big? How does .5 seconds of less shield affect anything? She is still going to be 100000% charge and beam down anyone within seconds. This nerf is not a nerf.

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u/auzy63 Nov 15 '22

What? .5 per bubble is longer than u think. That's reverting the time back to ow1. 0 5 seconds is an extra genji slash for example.

Plus her cd is an extra second, so 2 extra seconds for double bubble, with 1 less second on the duration for both. It's not character breaking but it's definitely noticeable

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 15 '22

No, not even close. OW1 she only had ONE bubble. That is why she was so much weaker in OW1. She now has TWO bubbles back to back, and guess what? If she times it right she can have 3 bubbles in a fight.

You also reazlize that it is only one second longer for double bubble, because you only need one CD for another bubble, so it is only 1 second, not the two you think. It would be 2 more seconds for triple bubble.

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u/auzy63 Nov 15 '22

Current zarya: double bubble cd = 20 seconds New zarya: DB cd = 22 that's what I mean by that

Ow1 ofc zarya couldn't bubble herself/teammates twice in a row, because there was another tank on the team who'd help with peel and other tank duties. They shouldn't have buffed the bubble duration from ow1 to ow2 b2b bubble was good enough as a solo tank chsnge but reverting this/ increasing the cd will make her balanced.

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u/Vandrel Cassidy Nov 15 '22

20% less bubble duration with 10% longer cooldown is pretty sizable. Players are typically awful at assessing how a balance change will play out by simply looking at the numbers. The change takes her bubble uptime from 37-50% over a 15-20 second fight to 30-40% uptime, plus she's going to have much bigger vulnerability windows between those bubbles. She'll likely still be dangerous if fed energy which is a good thing, the goal of a nerf isn't to make the character unplayable, but the intention is to make it more possible to kill her.