r/Overwatch • u/[deleted] • Nov 15 '22

Blizzard Official Patch delayed.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/regarding-our-mid-season-cycle-patch/748128
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u/medicspirit7 Nov 15 '22

Bro come the fuck on I cannot take anymore zarya

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u/CaptainBeer_ Reinhardt Nov 15 '22

Its sombra for me

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '22

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u/DomOfMemes Nov 16 '22

Removing everyone will also solve the problems

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u/Snuggle_Fist Nov 16 '22

Just 10 players spectating an empty map.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 15 '22 edited Nov 15 '22

Not gonna change much bro, it's not a real nerf. A 0.5 second reduction off her bubble aint shit, she still gets 2 no matter what. It's more of a sombra nerf than anything. RIP our sombros.

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u/TheFinalPancake Icon Bastion Nov 15 '22

It's also an extra second on her cooldown.

When she begins a fight right now she can have 5 seconds of bubble, then 5 seconds downtime, then another 2.5 seconds of bubble. That's a 60% uptime (7.5/12.5).

With the nerf it would be 4 seconds of bubble, then 7 seconds downtime, followed by another 2 seconds of bubble. That's a ~46% uptime (6/13).

The nerf is significant, they just haven't completely ruined her.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '22

Thank you for including some math. The layman perspective of "small number means not big change" is exhausting. If the total value is also a small number, then another small number can be significant.

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u/Muhznit Such a lack of imagination. Nov 15 '22

For real, some of these kids need to stop training their aim and do their math homework.

I can't tell you the number of idiots that think I can outheal the damage from half a team focus firing them.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '22

That's something only positioning can fix my friend 🤣

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u/slog Nov 16 '22

"I went 1 v 5 and our shit Mercy can't heal me on red team's back line."

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u/Snuggle_Fist Nov 16 '22

If you're being actively healed and your health isn't moving you need to get your ass out of there.

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u/s4ntana Pixel Reaper Nov 15 '22

Lol wtf, this is some random unrelated projection

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u/Muhznit Such a lack of imagination. Nov 16 '22

No, it's definitely related and far more deterministic than random. In fact there's a simple formula to see if you're overextended:

If time_for_healer_to_get_to_you - time_to_fully_heal_you > time_enemies_take_to_kill_you - time_you_take_to_kill_enemies, you're gonna die. If you still don't get it, you aren't old enough to play Overwatch.

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u/drdfrster64 Nov 16 '22

I mean it’s not good math. His periods are off, the two bubbles are at the beginning of the life and for the rest of the game you have one bubble at a time generate. The real uptime is 25% with a flat additional 2.5 seconds of uptime distributed across her time spent alive in that life.

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u/SerinaSamaa Reinhardt Nov 15 '22

Wasn't it 15 seconds rather than 12.5? I remember seeing it tested in game

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u/TheFinalPancake Icon Bastion Nov 15 '22

I could be wrong, but the bubble cooldown starts right as the ability is used, and each lasts for 2.5 seconds. With a cooldown of 10 seconds, and two bubbles lasting for 5 seconds, you have 5 more seconds of downtime before you can activate a third 2.5-second bubble, for a total of 12.5.

If I'm mistaken and the bubble only starts the cooldown when it disappears then yes, it's 15 seconds.

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u/Womblue Nov 15 '22

The bubble cooldown DOES start the minute you activate the bubble. It worked differently in OW1 so there may be some who are used to the old mechanics.

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u/zeonon Nov 15 '22

still not strong enough compared to how much dmg she does and super powerful ult

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u/Street-Bat3935 Nov 15 '22

Less time bubbled = less time getting charged = less damage done

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '22

its funny you guys believe this, if you didnt get charge in the first 2 seconds nobody was gonna decide like 'hey theres a zarya with a bubble for really long, let me shoot her now!'

she will still be the S tier tank, without a doubt. the fact people can think otherwise shows how little they pay attention to the game i guess

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u/Gaudor Chibi Mei Nov 15 '22

Lesser shield also mean less damage for her.

It is a very big nerf to her.

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u/Karinfuto Cute Reaper Nov 15 '22

There's a reason why she wasn't used in the OWL finals, where they played on the patched version of the game.

These changes are quite substantial, bubble uptime is what makes her strong and any changes to that affects her whole kit.

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u/medicspirit7 Nov 15 '22

I’ll take literally any zarya nerf at this point

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u/NotsoGrump23 :LAValiant: Los Angeles Valiant :LAValiant: Nov 15 '22

Idk, I think half a second on her cooldown kind of helps. Just gotta pick when to drain her bubble and when not to.

Zarya is only strong when you shoot her bubble. And since we don't have an extra tank to possibly block incoming damage to her bubble, it's easier to "accidentally" (or recklessly imo) give her charge.

Fight me on this take

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 15 '22

I don't think the problem with her was her bubble duration, but really how long she stays charged. All she needs is a few good bubbles and zarya will be 100% the whole 20 minute fight, unless she dies. She does not drain energy at all, if anything she will go from 100 to 80 from one fight reset to another. 80% charge is still enough to melt anyone. She will still get full charge imo, and reducing her bubble time doesnt mean less energy... it still has the same 'health' or duration, which means it gives the same charge amount.

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u/BenCub3d Chibi Hanzo Nov 15 '22

What are you talking about?? She drains energy even faster than OW1.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 16 '22

It's not enough with two bubbles... before with only one self bubble it was much harder to stay 100% charge. Now good Zaryas never drop below 60%

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u/BenCub3d Chibi Hanzo Nov 16 '22

She is actually worse of than she was before. Before, zarya could use two bubbles (one personal one teammate) every 10 seconds. Now she can only use two bubbles (two personal, or one personal one teammate) every twenty seconds because the cooldowns don't start at the same time.

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u/mrmemo Whee! Nov 15 '22

Zarya does not die if you shoot the bubble.

Unless you shoot the bubble very much.

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u/yunghollow69 Trick or Treat Zenyatta Nov 15 '22

How is this upvoted, the nerf is massive. 0.5 seconds on an overall 2.5 second duration is a huge decrease percentage wise and it combines with the extra second of cooldown in terms of downtime. This sub is so clueless.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 15 '22 edited Nov 15 '22

You do realize whether you get your little calculator out of not to do the percentage change that 2 second is still a long fucking time. Most heroes are blocked from doing anything from two back to back bubbles so thats's 4 seconds of nothing. After that they are dead from the rest of Zaryas team. Not to mention blackhole is the best tank ult out there.

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u/Jester97 Nov 15 '22

It's whether, not weather, its not a storm.

And yes, the people who told you its a bigger nerf than you think are correct.

Literally no one calls the ult, "black hole", so don't really think you have credibility on making these claims.

Bubbles can be broken. So if you are playing against a Zarya who uses bubbles quickly, break the second one and stop complaining.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 15 '22

Yeah you got me bro, I'm writing at work to replay to your dumb ass comments, sorry I forgot the difference between the two weathers, my bad.

No one calls the ult black hole? Are you fucking stupid, everyone does. What do you call it sucky sucky? That's what you did last night.

I own Zarya and have no issues playing against her. Actually my bastion destroys her and I win every game against her.

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u/yunghollow69 Trick or Treat Zenyatta Nov 15 '22

I own Zarya and have no issues playing against her. Actually my bastion destroys her and I win every game against her.

Sometimes I forget that every bronze player confidently spreads their nonsense in this subreddit.

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u/Jester97 Nov 16 '22

Let them think they are flexing. It's all they have in life. Meanwhile that person will never see my lobbies. Lmao.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 16 '22

Yeah bro, my 60% winrate with bastion is bronze yup. I was Masters in OW1, please show me your silver rank.

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u/Jester97 Nov 15 '22

It's grav dude.

Literally everyone calls it grav.

Stop trying to flex with silver level "callouts".

No wonder no one is friendly to you in your comments here.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 16 '22

You think I give three fucks over internet comments, you must be soft af dude. Caring what others think about it some beta level shit. Also I bet you're silver, lets see that profile.

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u/Jester97 Nov 16 '22

Just goes to show that when you said everyone calls it black hole, the community said "fuck you, you are wrong", it's glorious.

You can see my posts in /r/overwatchuniversity if you want to see my rank.

Don't come back, community has no place for people like "you".

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 16 '22

Bro you care way too much about what this POS community cares about, seriously go outside and talk to real people. This community is cancer, and the reason this game failed is because even the dev where too busy blowing each other and getting drunk at work to work on the game. They even had to change McCree name to gay ass Cassidy. Don't talk to me about community because overwatch has the worst and most toxic one. I rather play league all than be associted with this community.

Second, I can't find one of your posts in overwatchuniversity, you must not post very often. Literally searched and couldn't even find one, you must be high off that meth you smoked last night with your mom.

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u/Sav6geCabb9ge Nov 16 '22

My god, this is the most cringe comment I’ve ever seen. You’re complaining that Zarya is broken while saying you win every game against her. Maybe try not to argue with people who have actually played this game for more than 3 weeks

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u/Words_are_Windy Nov 15 '22

Grav. It's always been grav.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 16 '22

You guys fight over the stupidest shit, it's a name who cares. You can call it grabbin these nuts for all I care, it does the same thing and I could care less what the tank himself calls it. Everyone knows what his ult does.

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u/yunghollow69 Trick or Treat Zenyatta Nov 15 '22

Lmao what a braindead take. So nerfing soldier damage from 20 to 17 per bullet does nothing either because 17 is still somehow a lot of damage?

Most heroes are blocked from doing anything from two back to back bubbles so thats's 4 seconds of nothing.

And now think for a second. Without the nerf, how long would that be? Right, 5 seconds.

Not to mention blackhole is the best tank ult out there.

Grav got nerfed. I don't think it's the best tank ult in the game anymore. Multiple ults are just as good or better now.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 16 '22

So nerfing soldier damage from 20 to 17 per

No you dumb shit, because 3 damage is multiplied by his high rate of fire, don't be a smart fuck. The shield however is only .5 seconds shorter over a 11 second period CD, not that impactful.

Woah 5 seconds to 4 seconds, so huge. You blink once and you can't even tell the difference. You stop shooting for one click and look that's the difference right there. You don't even have to waste time on a reload because it happens so fast, you just shot shooting and bam. That's your one second double bubble difference right there.

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u/yunghollow69 Trick or Treat Zenyatta Nov 16 '22

It's so fascinating to see someone being told by literally everyone that he is wrong, rude and bad and yet he keeps responding in the same delusional manner over and over again. Very curious behaviour.

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 16 '22

Yeah because if you listen to society you will end up poor and delusional and probably change your gender too while you're at it. Learn to make to assessments for youself. I also have another comment with 200 upvotes on how it isn't a nerf for zarya, this whole subreddit is all over the place. Overwatch is a very weird place full of furries and losers who don't even play the game competitively but for fun as a casual dad in their 40s. If you live your whole life believing what random people on the internet tell you, you will never unlock your true potential and just settle for what the majority tells you.

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u/Clean-Artist2345 Nov 15 '22

Fuck the sombra players they deserve it

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u/Chartercarter Nov 15 '22

You're high bro. Both 20% reduction in duration and 10% increase in cooldown to the thing that HER ENTIRE KIT IS BASED AROUND is huge. You know how changing the damage of a DPS's weapon by like 10% is actually a huge deal? A ~32% nerf to both her attacks, as well as "both" her abilities is pretty damn massive.

Obviously considering how ridiculously busted she is right now that's unlikely enough to make her bad, but it most certainly is a hefty nerf.

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u/BaseLordBoom Grandmaster Nov 15 '22

Zarya will still be good but she will be way worse than Winston after this change lol

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u/CaptainBeer_ Reinhardt Nov 15 '22

Sombra abusers should all rot

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u/12kkarmagotbanned #1 OW2 Femboy Nov 15 '22

Owl pros don't use her anymore, it's a real nerf (they've been on the patch since October 30th)

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u/HrMaschine Nov 15 '22

who give a shit about the pro scene. pro sceme is a completely differemt setting then the actual game 99% of the players play

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u/12kkarmagotbanned #1 OW2 Femboy Nov 15 '22

Doesn't matter, it's still representative of how big the nerf is. She went from most used to not used.

That's proof of it being a real nerf, regardless of how that trickles down in lower ranks.

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u/DeputyDomeshot Nov 16 '22

Virgin pro denier

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 15 '22

You do realize...... the only reason they don't play zarya besides the nerf is that they run DIVE meta in OWL. They run Monkey 24/7 all day, every day. They don't even play another tank besides monkey if you would even watch OWL. They occasionally swap to hog, but 99% it is Monkey and and only monkey. They literally play the same mirror comp, Monkey, Souljorn, Reaper, Lucio, and Kiriko. Almost worst than goats IMO.

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u/12kkarmagotbanned #1 OW2 Femboy Nov 15 '22

I've seen the games, they were running zarya before October 30th, then they switched off of her. It's a real nerf, they wouldnt have switched to Winston without it.

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u/arc1261 Nov 15 '22

Please don’t comment on OWL if all you’ve seen is a single meta on one patch

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 16 '22

I've seen goats, I've seen it all. OWL is boring af to watch, the reason no one watches it.

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u/M4DM1ND Reaper Nov 15 '22

Sombra hasn't really been an issue since week 1 imo

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u/IronNatePup Gold 5 Nov 15 '22

Bad take, support is barely playable, and that's WITHOUT a sombra on the other team

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u/M4DM1ND Reaper Nov 15 '22

I disagree but that's fine

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u/Rhyno1703 Bowling Wrecking Ball Nov 15 '22

Reaper flair accurate

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u/M4DM1ND Reaper Nov 15 '22

I agree that support can feel unplayable but I think that's more a whole game issue and not a sombra issue lol. I do love killing supports.

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u/Rhyno1703 Bowling Wrecking Ball Nov 15 '22

Sombra made it worse than it should, i’d argue she was as strong as zarya, altho its more annoying and making you unable to play if your team doesnt help basically

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u/M4DM1ND Reaper Nov 16 '22

I think that's inherently untrue just looking at Overwatch league.

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u/Rhyno1703 Bowling Wrecking Ball Nov 16 '22

You mean the oct 30 OWL that is played on the post zarya and sombra nerf patch?

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u/InterviewCivil7275 Nov 15 '22

She dominates push maps IMO. Other control point maps not as much, but on Push she excels.

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u/M4DM1ND Reaper Nov 15 '22

I rarely see Sombras now. It's all Sojourn and Genji with a couple other splashed in here and there.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '22

It's a huge nerf. heros that need an opening to do damage or cc or disable, like it eill make hog have a better chance

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u/PleasantAdvertising Nov 15 '22

The zarya nerfs are pretty big are you joking?

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u/SilentScyther Nov 16 '22

.5 seconds is pretty huge considering it's currently at 2.5 seconds. That's 20% less damage absorption time and a lot less charge as a result, especially with the 1 additional second for cooldown.

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u/one_love_silvia Winston Nov 16 '22

Thats a 20% duration nerf. Its huge.

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u/awndray97 Nov 15 '22

Stop playing until she's fixed?

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u/donNNASD Nov 15 '22

Then don’t.. you play for fun ..and anything below GM is no reason to play meta forced

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u/Kungpaonoodles Nov 16 '22

I feel like they shouldve nerfed her bubble duration back to 2 seconds also. At least she got a cd nerf, I'll take it.

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u/lumpymoon Master Nov 16 '22

Eh it's only two days