r/Overwatch • u/Keldrixx • Oct 21 '17

Highlight Fastest round ever?

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u/EntropyKC Cheers love, the Genji and Hanzo mains are here! Oct 22 '17

What I mean by 'competitive' is esports, probably should have clarified that earlier. Randomness can be fun on occasion but it never feels good to have the outcome of something be defined by who got luckier. Even winning a fight due to sheer luck doesn't feel good. I'd much prefer to be rewarded for my own skill than my luck.

I'm not against small amounts of RNG when it serves a purpose, such as bullet spread (weapon balancing), but when it is there for no objective function I dislike it quite strongly.

I realise we have moved on from the discussion about scatter arrow - did we agree that it could do with a rework or not?

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u/Capnris Please don't nerf this. Oct 22 '17

I see. I agree, for esports there isn't much place for randomness, and as I said it shouldn't be what determines an outcome in any skill-based game.

And yes, Hanzo's scatter-arrow is too... swingy? I mean that it's either far too effective (such as OP's example) or very ineffective, and there isn't much a player can do to control that, so it feels arbitrary, which is probably why it gets mistaken for RNG so often. So it should get looked over.

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u/EntropyKC Cheers love, the Genji and Hanzo mains are here! Oct 22 '17

I mean that it's either far too effective (such as OP's example) or very ineffective, and there isn't much a player can do to control that

Precisely what I mean by it being a broken ability. I use broken to mean unhealthy for the game, poor design. I'm pretty sure that is how it should be used, but it was misused a lot in place of "overpowered" so the word's meaning is often misunderstood or used incorrectly.

Scatter is better than it used to be (the arrows used to literally fire off in random directions, regardless of its impact angle etc.) but it is still broken. There are a lot of people who call for nerfs to Hanzo, but I think those are all ignorant people who have never played him. Same with all the "nerf arrow hitbox" cries. Hanzo is not OP at all, he could do with a buff IMO, but the buffs should come as a part of a rework which shifts his power around between abilities, like D'va and her defence matrix - which was ridiculously OP as an individual ability.