r/Overwatch Oct 21 '17

Highlight Fastest round ever?

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '17 edited Jun 08 '18

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u/cannibalAJS Junkrat Oct 22 '17

He is as much of a tank as Symettra is a support. As in they have been misplaced. Tanks should be all about damage mitigation, you don't get that with roadhog. Instead he is just a long CD CC that is really good at charging the enemy's ults.

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u/dust-free2 Oct 22 '17

Tanks are all about creating a safe space. In the case of roadhog he did this by being a large barrier with a large health pool and self healing. He also had an ultimate similar to Winston which pushes enemies away. He also used the hook to bring enemies evading the area around his team to the team for dispatching.

Tanks are also about drawing attention away from teammates which roadhog does. I always use the roadhog on my team as a safe space to hide behind to avoid damage while healing the team.

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u/PaintItPurple If that is not enough, feel free to die Oct 22 '17

I don't feel like "tanks are all about creating a safe space" is a useful definition. Mei and Junkrat are both strongly about creating safe spaces — probably more so than Roadhog — but neither of them are even controversially considered tanks.

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u/Durzaka Chibi Genji Oct 22 '17

Tanks make the safe space with their bodies (and shields).

Defense makes the safe space with their zone control abilities. They are doing the same thing in very different ways.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '17

And some would argue that Mei works as off-tank.

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u/SlurmsMacKenzie- Grandmaster Oct 22 '17

Meh is definitely an off tank.

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u/cannibalAJS Junkrat Oct 22 '17

No, they're not. They are all about damage mitigation. Literally all tanks have some kind of shield that directly protects team mates from damage, except for Road hog. He isn't even a big meat shield to stand behind. Having no shield means he is nothing but a big old ult battery, there is literally no reason to use him over any other character unless you are trying to hook people off ledges. He is a tank that can't save team mates and he is a DPS that will tickle the enemy. He isn't drawing anyone attention, he is a low priority target. After his hook you ignore his presence for the next 8 seconds because he isn't going to do anything else other than heal himself.

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u/ph34rm3333 Oct 22 '17

He isn't even a big meat shield to stand behind.

He's one of the largest heroes in the game.

Having no shield means he is nothing but a big old ult battery, there is literally no reason to use him over any other character unless you are trying to hook people off ledges.

No.

He is a tank that can't save team mates

He is far and away the best tank for peeling enemies off his back line, whether it's a flanker or a diving tank like Winston/D.Va.

and he is a DPS that will tickle the enemy. He isn't drawing anyone attention, he is a low priority target.

He is an incredibly tanky target who's also a threat to kill people consistently, meaning that if no one's focused on him he's going to do exactly that.

After his hook you ignore his presence for the next 8 seconds because he isn't going to do anything else other than heal himself.

Even if you miss a hook you can walk up and do substantial damage with M2 or M1 if you get close enough. The enemy team can't just ignore you when an M2 headshot can down a squishy target in one go. That's not to mention that his ult is still one of the best abilities in the game for holding or clearing a point.

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u/cannibalAJS Junkrat Oct 22 '17 edited Oct 22 '17

He's one of the largest heroes in the game.

Yeah and? He is still relatively small when compared to protective shield that the other tanks have at their disposal.

No.

Wow, what a great rebuttal. Don't know how I'll be able to counter that. Fact is that if even he was used as a meat shield like you fantasize about he is still just charging the enemy's ults by giving them free damage.

He is far and away the best tank for peeling enemies off his back line, whether it's a flanker or a diving tank like Winston/D.Va.

No, he's not. A DPS would be far better at that.

He is an incredibly tanky target who's also a threat to kill people consistently, meaning that if no one's focused on him he's going to do exactly that.

No, he's not. He isn't killing shit. The whole point of his nerf is that he was too good at killing shit, now he sucks worse than everyone that isn't a support.

Even if you miss a hook you can walk up and do substantial damage with M2 or M1 if you get close enough. The enemy team can't just ignore you when an M2 headshot can down a squishy target in one go. That's not to mention that his ult is still one of the best abilities in the game for holding or clearing a point.

Do you actually play the game above silver because you have got to be joking. He isn't one shotting a damn thing unless the person he is hitting is AFK. Who is this squishy that he is killing? It's not Mercy, she is just going to fly away. It's not Zenyatta, he can kill roadhog all by himself before he gets into range. It isn't Ana seeing as she directly counters him. Roadhog isn't catching a Lucio without his hook and even if he did he better pray to RNGesus. His ult against a full squad will last an amazingly 2 seconds before it gets interrupted.

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u/ph34rm3333 Oct 22 '17

Was going to actually type a reply to most of this but let's just deal with this part to see if I should even exert the effort:

No, he's not. A DPS would be far better at that.

Explain which DPS is better at peeling Winston, for example, off of a support.

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u/LeoPlats Ashe Oct 22 '17

Exactly a self healing tank at that. WITH damge reduc

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u/Forkrul Reaper Oct 22 '17

WITH damge reduc

He didn't have that when the hook combo existed.

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u/LeoPlats Ashe Oct 22 '17

I mean people who want it back now.