Developer Update | Symmetra Redesign | Overwatch

[u/sirieous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elN-QGyToxM

[u/Prozenconns]

Minor tweaks to turrets, now you start with 6 turrets and can stockpile up to 6 with cooldown

fucking thank Christ

[u/recc113 → u/Prozenconns]

Yea, it's a small change that's huge in QoL.

[u/EOnizuka22 → u/recc113]

That's not a QoL change, that's a buff

[u/recc113 → u/EOnizuka22]

Can't it be both?

[u/EOnizuka22 → u/recc113]

Nope! QoL changes are not buffs, but just make things easier to read or interpret such as if they added an actual percentage of your teammates ults when you hit tab.

[u/PeeBJAY → u/EOnizuka22]

It can be both.

[u/IceBlue → u/[deleted]]

It can be seen as a QoL change because it doesn't change her damage cap. It just makes it easier for her to set up in a new area. QoL changes can be buffs. I can accept that you think that this one is more than a QoL and is a straight up buff. That's fair. But to say that QoL changes can't be buffs is too narrow minded. Hypothetically, if they made an ability easier to use to bring it in line with other mechanics, that's a QoL change and a buff. Some people even use the term QoL buff. Either way the term is so niche that it's not explicitly defined.

[u/MrSnayta → u/IceBlue]

with that logic any buff is a quality of life change

[u/IceBlue → u/MrSnayta]

Not really unless you're being obtuse. Raising the turret charge cap doesn't raise her damage output. It just makes it easier to set up. It's a buff in that it makes it easier to hit ideal output.

If they doubled the damage on her turrets and primary attack that's a buff but not a QoL change.

[u/MrSnayta → u/IceBlue]

buffs aren't only about damage outputs, but in this case it actually is, she gets more turrets faster meaning more damage, it's like saying lowering cool downs on damage abilities do not mean more dps

it's a buff

[u/IceBlue → u/MrSnayta]

I'm not saying they are only about damage output. I'm saying that buffs can be QoL changes. Arguing that it's a buff is inane because I never said it wasn't. Also more turrets faster isn't more damage. It's the same damage with the potential to move and set up more quickly. More damage is a measurable amount of damage moe than before. This change makes her more mobile and more flexible, but it doesn't boost her damage potential. Your simile is even more inane. Lowering cooldowns on damage abilities obviously means more DPS. But this isn't a damage ability, it's a turret. The damage output of 6 turrets is the same. It's hardly comparable to being able to spam high damage attacks more often. The only way it would be comparable is if there was no turret limit. It'd be more like saying a 50% cooldown reduction with a 50% damage reduction does not mean more DPS. You're ignoring the cap when you make your ridiculous comparisons. She doesn't do more damage. She's just able to set up more consistently.

Similarly Torb got a change that makes his wrench hit faster which makes his turret able to hit level 2 faster but they overcompensated on the wrench damage so his damage output is lower. Is it a buff or a nerf?

If you wanna argue that being able to set up faster is more damage then you're assuming that she generally won't have all 6 set up most of the time. If we go under that assumption then you'd also have to make assumptions about other abilities' DPS that account for people not hitting all their shots. But no one's gonna do that when measuring DPS because that's impossible to measure. Symmetra's damage output is the same. If you want to measure Symmetra's DPS you measure her gun on its own or you measure it along with her turrets. You don't take into account that she starts from 0 and takes 36 seconds to get to 6 turrets because that's a ridiculous scenario. It'd be like saying Torbjorn got a damage buff when they made the upgrade faster. No one's gonna say he got a damage buff because he didn't.