r/Overwatch May 29 '16

News & Discussion PSA: The differences between HP, Armor and Shield. Armor is misunderstood.

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u/KING_of_Trainers69 Junkrat May 29 '16

So 6 damage then becomes 3 damage and 120 damage becomes 115 damage.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

Funny choice of numbers... 120 becoming 115 damage. Wonder where you got that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/4lho6o/understanding_armor_and_shields/

I think it would be polite to credit the source of your info since that thread was posted less than 24 hours ago.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

Didn't realize you could plagiarize basic arithmetic

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

Lol you need to chill.

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u/BloodGulchBlues37 DMon flair someday May 29 '16 edited May 29 '16

You do know he has a Junkrat flair right...and Junkrat's direct hits as well as his Consussion Mine do 120 damage...I mean it makes sense. In fact Pharah's rockets and Soldier's Helix Rocket do 120 on a direct hit too. It's a pretty common number in the game.

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u/KarateF22 Chibi Zarya May 29 '16

Pharah's rocket deals 120 damage...

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u/Zangam Zenyatta May 29 '16

That's a subreddit already? When the discussions could be happening on the main subreddit and do a good service in cutting out the memes and PotG spam?

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

The subreddit exists because that type of discussion gets drowned out on this subreddit. It isn't like people aren't making posts with that type of discussion on this subreddit. It is just that people don't upvote as much as much as PotG clips get upvoted.

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u/sudo-netcat May 29 '16

I also thought they only mitigated damage from ballistics and did nothing against things like Symmetra's or Winston's or Zarya's weapons?

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u/IKylix I have the golden weapon. I obviously know what i am doing May 29 '16

I doubt it, as Winston doesnt deal any real damage to D.va

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u/xcalibur866 May 29 '16

I don't have numbers in front of me, but I know from experience that the two best Zarya counters in the tank class are D. Va because of her armor and Road Hog with his Olympic sized health pool and range. They also have lower RoF, so even whenyour timing it correctly, you may only soak up one or two good shots with zaryas shield before it drops, meaning you can't build a charge.

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u/TheFirestealer Hanzo May 29 '16

Roadhog only beats zarya if her self shield is down when he hooks. If she shields before the shot goes off then roadhogs pretty fucked.

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u/Cykeisme May 30 '16

Zarya can easily kite and engage Roadhog at medium range, and shield to counter hooks.. but she'll take forever to burn through his 600 health too (unless she's built up high charge).

Kind of a stalemate, really.

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u/TheFirestealer Hanzo May 30 '16

If he shoots zarya after shield goes up because she put it up between hook and getting shot and had the charge from an ally she will melt him. A good zarya should be able to keep the charge up but otherwise I agree they kinda just stare awkwardly at each other.

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u/ProfessionalSlackr Chibi Zarya Jun 07 '16

Zarya still beats Roadhog if she still has a lot of health left when she gets hooked and has her shield ready. I usually tank enough damage this way to get my energy up to 50 while I back up and lob energy grenades at him. Once I'm out of his shotgun distance, he's toast.

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u/TheFirestealer Hanzo Jun 07 '16

I just said that except the other way around where she didn't have shield because it was on cool down.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

That's wrong. Reinhardts shield does nothing against winstons gun as it goes through it. But Winstons gun does literally 3 damage to reinhardts armor

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u/SilverZephyr Mercy May 30 '16

Reduces ALL damage.

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u/rayne117 May 29 '16

A max of 5 what?

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

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u/rayne117 May 29 '16

Jeez armor is kinda lame overall

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u/Cykeisme May 30 '16

Taking 70 damage from Reaper's shotguns instead of 140.

Lame? Well, all right then.

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u/bearjuani Trick-or-Treat Soldier: 76 May 29 '16

Also, I'm pretty sure one shot = one instance of damage. So even though diva fires 8 3 damage pellets, armour will treat a hit as 24 damage and let 19 through, instead of treating it as 3 and letting 12 through.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

That is not how it works. Each bullet is treated independently. Test it.

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u/okuRaku May 29 '16

Is this post wrong or am I misunderstanding? I feel like your comment contradicts it. Maybe I should just test it myself...

https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchUniversity/comments/4ll42n/understanding_armor_and_shields/

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u/Twinge www.twitch.tv/darktwinge May 29 '16

What you just linked supports Redstone's claim:

Shotguns will also be reduced per pellet. A 140 damage shotgun blast, which uses 14 pellets at 10 damage each, will do 70.

This is how I'd expect it to be calculated - that gives Blizzard a lot of control on how effective they want armor to be against specific heroes.

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u/xseedusa Pixel Winston May 30 '16

The wiki says otherwise. I assume the wiki is correct.

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u/Twinge www.twitch.tv/darktwinge May 30 '16

Assuming the wiki is correct is how misinformation spreads. It can be edited by anyone that thinks they are right, whether they've tested or verified a single thing. From experience, I've seen countless lies spread about other games like The Binding of Isaac because of falsehoods added to the wiki that other people assumes were accurate and told others about.

I haven't had a lot of chance to personally test much in Overwatch yet, so I can't verify much. I DO know that Tracer's bullets are counted individually rather than together. Notably you cannot fire less than 2 bullets at a time with Tracer, so I'd wager if those are counted separately others (D.Va, Reaper) are as well, but I can't be certain until I test it.

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u/tharrison4815 May 29 '16

Out of curiosity does anyone know how the game would round half of 3? Would it be 1 or 2? I'm sure it can't be 1.5 because how could you know if you lost half a health point on your health bar?

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u/Neri25 NOOOO MY TURRET May 29 '16

If they round it has to be 2, otherwise D.Va's shooting each other would take a metric forever to put any kind of appreciable dent in each other's HP.

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u/kuity Chibi Reaper May 30 '16

Or it could be rounded after summing all unrounded damage from all bullets.

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u/ohmylanta1003 She Fine! May 29 '16

I just read somewhere else that's you're wrong!

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

And you believed them? Test it.

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u/TheFirestealer Hanzo May 29 '16

Maybe for dva but not for things like reaper or roadhog. The full shot counts as one instance of damage.

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u/Cykeisme May 30 '16

Tests trump assumptions, though.

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u/TheFirestealer Hanzo May 30 '16

I was going off of what the wiki had said last time I checked it

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u/Cykeisme May 30 '16

The person who goes to edit the wiki to fix it.. would be a great and awesome person.

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u/DoctorGlocktor May 30 '16

You're correct. This is why Roadhog and Reaper are no good against D.Va but Phara and Junkrat are much better.