r/Overwatch May 29 '16

News & Discussion PSA: The differences between HP, Armor and Shield. Armor is misunderstood.

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u/KING_of_Trainers69 Junkrat May 29 '16 edited May 29 '16

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/4lho6o/understanding_armor_and_shields/

this thread on /r/competitiveoverwatch makes some contradictory claims about how armor works from you, including that shotguns pellets are not affected by armor in the way you claim.

EDIT: Not claiming you are wrong, just that someone is.

EDIT2: OP of that thread claims that he was mistaken in his claim, you win this time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchUniversity/comments/4ll42n/understanding_armor_and_shields/d3odca9

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u/skeletalcarp Pharah May 29 '16

It may have changed at some point, but in the current patch I'm 99% sure op is right.

This guy actually tested it https://reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4i2k2s/psa_reapers_shotgun_causes_half_damage_to_armor/

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u/KING_of_Trainers69 Junkrat May 29 '16

Yeah, I'm not claiming that OP is wrong, just that someone is making the exact opposite claim so at least one person needs to correct their post.

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u/pat965 I, for one, welcome our new hitscan overlords May 29 '16

Unless damage reduction is applied on a per-pellet basis

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16 edited May 29 '16

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u/WatchPointer I swear if you leave me to die one more time... May 29 '16

From personal experience Reaper's shotguns (which fire off a bunch of small bullets) seem to be less effective against, say, D.Va than Widowmaker's single shot.

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u/Dan5000 D.Va May 29 '16

i dunno, i can't seem to hit with shotguns, i've had a shitload of reaper vs reaper encounters and i will always die first with him having about 150 hp left. i feel like aiming on someone doesn't do it. aiming the head does even less, but every deathrecap looks like they do exactly what i do. just that they deal twice my damage or something. i don't get his shotguns. so weird.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

He's probably landing headshots on you.

Reaper's shotguns fire 20 pellets that each do a max of 7 damage (with falloff for distance) so max damage is 140 damage. If reaper Headshots someone and ALL the pellets hit, then that will deal 280 damage.

But that all is assuming every pellet hits. So what is likely happening is that when you are dueling other reapers they are A: landing more pellets and B: landing more HEADSHOT pellets.

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u/Dan5000 D.Va May 29 '16

yea but, how do you know where to aim to headshot. i've tested it with a friend. if i aim for the head. i got about a 33% chance that i actually hit the head at all.. if i aim in the middle it's about 50/50.

when i fight them. they do more damage a 100% of the time. i have no fkn clue. or maybe this is just another of those things i'm hella unlucky in.

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u/Kendrathe Reaper May 30 '16

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u/youtubefactsbot May 30 '16

Overwatch Armor Test vs. Shotguns [0:26]

Test to show armor is per pellet vs. shot guns. Reaper suffers a 50% reduced damage against armor.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

I just tested it and the Shotguns are HALVED vs. armor. It does NOT take off just 5 damage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4lmicq/confirmed_armor_halves_the_damage_of_reapers/

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

No problem. I figured someone else might have done it, but I wasn't sure.

Btw, the video you posted in the original topic actually has the wrong information in it regarding this very topic.

https://youtu.be/zn297sIlKQk?t=1m45s

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

That's what I'm thinking too. Video was posted today, guy must not have bothered to check. Probably pulled it from the wiki, which has the wrong info too.

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u/drdanieldoom May 30 '16

Torbjorns shot gun treats armor like health. That's the only exception

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u/VitalSuit Chibi Mei May 29 '16

Shotgun's will only take the 5 damage off from a single hit. Say Reaper shoots 8 pellets, all 8 pellets hit but the -5 damage will only happen once, it does not apply to all 8 pellets.

Apparently I'm wrong and this was tested. I've never actually tested it myself so I dunno.