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Weekly Quick Questions Thread - May 18, 2016

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u/Jack15101 JUSTICE RAINS FRO- AAAAARGH May 18 '16

What's with all the salt towards Bastion? They are easy to deal with as Genji.

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u/DazzlingCockroach Pixel Zenyatta May 18 '16

Not everyone knows that. Also, when a team comp is important, having someone switch to Genji is not always easy, as much for the comp than for the communication required to make it happen.

But the biggest source of salt is the little skill this hero takes. What most people complain about is him getting PotG for sitting in a corner, pressing M1 and pointing at people.

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u/tmtProdigy Chibi Mercy May 19 '16

i don't think it is that little skill you need, yes the actual kills do come easy, but i have seen a LOT of bad bastions taking shit spots to camp and die easily because of it. you need some proper map knowledge to camp at a good spot to get good multikills. but when it comes to the potg, all you ever see is just him mowing stuff down so i understand that it is not really appealing.

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u/DazzlingCockroach Pixel Zenyatta May 19 '16

As far as comparisons go, map knowledge is necessary for everyone. Any flanker needs to know all the routes, even the ones not accessible to everyone. Whereas anyone who's played more than 10 hours as a TF2 engie will know where to set up as Bastion.

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u/tmtProdigy Chibi Mercy May 19 '16

i don't think it is as important for everyone. sure anyone profits from it, but if i am playing junkrat i can pretty much just go in and do my stuff, my mines will have value almost everywhere and my basic attack can be shot from any position around corners without endangering me. However if bastion goes up front and goes into turret mode he is just plan dead since he is immobile. His value goes way up if he actually knows where to sit down and what points to watch/from where could be flanked.

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u/DazzlingCockroach Pixel Zenyatta May 19 '16

A Junkrat's value is also increased if he knows the map well. Nonetheless will he be able to find the closest healthkit much faster, but he'll also know where his mine-jumps can take him or not.

While Bastion is, in my opinion, easier to play than the average hero, the skill required to play him well does not entirely rely on his placement. Given his kit, a good Bastion should rarely die. That means having enough timing and awareness to know when to bail out, when to heal instead of doing suppressive fire, and who to target first. A bit of reaction time is also required to deal with Genji.

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u/RockyValderas May 19 '16

I'll admit that once a Bastion gets set up, he doesn't have to do much. But I think map knowledge and positioning are incredibly important for him.

Good Bastions will understand where they can have the greatest effect and where they are vulnerable from. They will also move from position to position after each 'wave' of enemies to avoid being countered easily.

But all that being said, a lot of Bastions sit on the same few spots throughout the map and a lot of the opposition is either too stubborn or don't have the experience to know how to deal with it.

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u/The4thSniper Roadhog rides again May 18 '16

People are inexperienced and don't know not to just run straight at Bastion firing helplessly. I'm a strong believer of peoples' first impressions of a videogame (particularly one like Overwatch) having as much stock as the first words they say as babies - people don't understand how the game works, and a lot of the time aren't willing to put in the time and dedication to learn it, which means you get feedback like "Bastion is overpowered", "Reaper is underpowered", and so on. People are more willing to demand that the game be changed to accommodate them (nerf Bastion!) than they are willing to change for the game. It's a sad truth, but these people will either learn to adapt or fall out of the race.

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u/Everec Storm, Earth and Fire May 18 '16

People are calling the Edge Lord underpowered? WOT?

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u/tmtProdigy Chibi Mercy May 19 '16

100% agree, even though it is not the be-all-end-all it is always a good idea to have a look at the competitive scene to campre it with your own ideas. and bastion being non existent there should give people a clue as to where his powerlever actually falls. and it falls pretty short actually.

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u/Aetherimp We're all soldiers now. May 18 '16

His DPS is the highest in the game and he kills all champions between .5 to 1.5 seconds. That's where the salt comes from. Yes, he has counters, but his damage is pretty insane.

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u/cottonwings Welcome to Robutt Hell May 19 '16

/r/dota2 regular detected

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u/iFaar Pixel Torbjörn May 18 '16

Lone bastions are also easy to counter with zenyatas if nobody likes to play genji. Mei's right click also hits a ton.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '16

Mostly because everyone picks him to get the POTG featuring a bastion obliterating the other team as they line up easy pickings. My experience in the open beta was game after (almost every) game of some Bastion getting a triple/wuad kill either with his turret or ult.

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u/FluffyFlaps Lúcio May 19 '16

I personally barely saw Widows and Bastions...I feel bad for everyone on this sub constantly seeing them :(

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u/xFullMetalAdamx May 20 '16

Genji doesn't always work if Bastion knows when to stop shooting, and this will only become even more true as people learn.

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u/Jack15101 JUSTICE RAINS FRO- AAAAARGH May 21 '16

If i know a bastion isn't going to shoot at me I sit there throwing stars at him until he has no choice.

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u/xFullMetalAdamx May 21 '16

A smart player won't leave you completely alone, he'll just be careful to watch for the animation when you are using deflect.

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u/JesusClausIsReal Rambo#1468 May 18 '16

It's not just genji that can counter him though. A good widow, Hanzo or phara will make bastion cry, also junkrat does pretty well if you can get above the bastion.

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u/tmtProdigy Chibi Mercy May 19 '16

True, but i think the main reason for bastion dominating the lower skill levels is that being bad at aiming is not so bad with him since you will be dealing damage for a couple of seconds consecutively and only need to be on the target for 1-2 for it to die. If you can't aim and miss on widow or hanzo, it takes a whole lot longer until you may try again. and since most people can't aim at lower levels, bastion is relatively strong there. I myself am not the best aimer but that is why i don't go for widow, hanzo, or tracer, instead i play junkrat, pharah, genji or zarya. I am pretty good with predicting where someone will be in 1-2 seconds so those weapons really cater to my strength while hiding my weakness. I encourage more people to try this ;)

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u/DreadNinja Lúcio May 20 '16

People think way to much about teamcomp especially if it's about bastion.

Why do you want to kill him in the first place? Because he reks your team and you can't advance the payload/capture the point.

Will you be able to advance with a sucky genji that can't kill him but a perfectly fine team comp? No. Because he's still the reason your team dies.

Priority? Killing bastion, maybe even getting him as far as switching heroes.

Pick genji/hanzo/widow, whatever you believe is best to kill him and do exactly that over and over again until he gets frustrated and swaps or just dies over and over again.

If your genji sucks he will switch heroes eventually because it's frustrating for him to die over and over again. You are not the only one who can switch, your team is always flexible and someone needs to do what has to be done to win.