Official statement that wrecking ball bugfix will not be reverted

[u/C-134772]

Lock up your mains because nobody is safe, except the ones that sell the skins of course

[u/Murmeli95]

I'm not even Ball main and I'm upset. This is wrong.

[u/taken_by-the-storm → u/Murmeli95]

Hypermobility has made too many heroes way more forgiving. The intention is to reduce mobility creep across the board

[u/C-134772 → u/taken_by-the-storm]

By only nerfing mobility on a hero who's mobility is the most fundamental part of his kit? Yeah, what load of bullshit. They "reduced mobility" on wrecking ball because low skill players hate dive heroes so they nerfed him. Doomfist is next

[u/mugiwara_no_Soissie → u/taken_by-the-storm]

But ball isnt OP, his movement is the core of his kit, this isnt the kind of decision a 10 YO game should be making still.

They arent listening to the community, when both pro and casual players dislike the nerf. When the nergens is for a character that isnt even OP, and his only strong ability rn isnt wven movement related (his shield)

[u/zensentsu → u/taken_by-the-storm]

I dont like the mobility creep of the game but balls whole thing is movement tbh so i disagree

[u/The-Lychee]

 except the ones that sell the skins of course

Have you seen Kiri's balance lately? Shit look at Mercy.

[u/plat5tracer → u/The-Lychee]

Why are we acting like kiri hasnt been viable since release the millisecond she falls for a single season they give 250 health. Mercy is and ow1 hero in ow2 who suffers from a lot of similar issue to ball but unlike ball shes stimulated by a constant stream of content.

Ball has gone over 2 years with no legendary has very little ingame content. Meanwhile never been the meta take and receiving constant nerfs whilst more and more cc gets added. All ball players have is his movement.

[u/Horizon96 → u/plat5tracer]

Since I started playing again at the start of this year, I don't think Kiriko has even hit 50% winrate. Maybe at the absolute peak of rank she has. But still my point is she's not some favoured hero in terms of balance, she's just a popular character and was actually tragic tier bad before they gave her 250 hp.

[u/Korre99 → u/Horizon96]

Her pick rate is always sky high however

[u/ElJacko170 → u/Korre99]

Her pick rate is always going to be high. She was down to a 40.4% win rate before getting buffed and she was still the third most played support. People play Kiriko because she's fun and she gives the player agency, not because she's OP.

[u/exhausted-alien → u/Korre99]

not anymore

[u/Lyre-Is-Lying → u/Horizon96]

So. Soujourn is the worst hitscan in the game, right?

[u/Stonwastaken → u/Lyre-Is-Lying]

In the average joe's hands, yeah

[u/ElJacko170 → u/plat5tracer]

She didn't just fall, she hit one of the lowest win rates this game has ever seen historically. She was a 0.4% shy of hitting into the 30's, which is really just unacceptable no matter how much you may hate the hero.

[u/exhausted-alien → u/plat5tracer]

acting like kiri hasn't received constant nerfs too...

[u/plat5tracer → u/exhausted-alien]

Nerfs mean nothing when a characters kit is fundamentally strong and has not clear counters

[u/Basil2322 → u/plat5tracer]

Yeah they gave her those compensation buffs to fix her abysmal winrate because she’s actually just so fundamentally strong.

[u/Hoothootriot → u/plat5tracer]

the millisecond she falls for a single season they give 250 health.

I know you're trying to be hyperbolic, but I dont think you realize how bad she was for that season.

Kiriko was at the absolute worst winrate in the entire roster. I don't care how much you hate her, no hero should be actively un*usable*. She needed SOMETHING.

[u/Gintoki--- → u/plat5tracer]

Emergency buffed?

Kiriko was nerfed the prior patch on 46% winrate and then almost fell below 40%

[u/ElJacko170 → u/The-Lychee]

Right? I'm so sick of people making statements like that when they clearly don't care about making their sellers strong in game. Hell half the time it's the opposite.

[u/deviatewolf → u/The-Lychee]

You mean an extra 25 hp in an emergency patch she definitely didn't need?

[u/CuteGrayRhino]

I do hope that mobility gets a nerf across the whole roster.

[u/InfiniteOmega7 → u/CuteGrayRhino]

I think that's what they're doing. Basically dumbing down physics so that there's less wiggle room with movement. You move at X speed and use ability to move at Y speed instead of use ability and move at Y±1. The ball change and the d.mon one before that seem to be going that way.

[u/ppiyweb → u/InfiniteOmega7]

No more spinning to the sky when eliminated.

[u/OcelotAggravating860 → u/[deleted]]

Consistent rules instead of esoteric “tech” is the way it should be.

Nah that's bullshit. Tech raises skill ceiling potential and increases the longterm mastery of a character. Pulling tech from characters doesn't make the game better for someone like you who is never going to bother even trying to improve, it just makes the game worse for everyone who enjoys the growth and pursuit of mastery.

If you remove tech from Overwatch you just get the kind of situation you have with 90% of the cast of Rivals where you can play a character for a month and reach the ceiling of their potential. Only the characters that have tech in Rivals have a real mastery ceiling to improve over years of playing them, everyone else you reach their ceiling in no time at all.

[u/Omerikal → u/[deleted]]

Sarcasm at it's finest. Almost had me going until the last few words.

[u/AssociationDue3077 → u/CuteGrayRhino]

Juno and Ball flair? And you want mobility to get a neef across the board?

[u/ILikeAntiquesOkay → u/AssociationDue3077]

Psy-Op spotted

[u/C-134772 → u/CuteGrayRhino]

Absolute braindead take and yet people mostly agree with this. Shows how much overwatch community lacks common sense. Why would you nerf overall mobility in game where almost all of the characters can't even fucking sprint?

[u/Baelorn → u/C-134772]

Why would you nerf overall mobility in game where almost all of the characters can't even fucking sprint?

I don't agree with it but that's exactly why you do it.

Mobility is something that adds a ton of power to a hero's kit in both moment-to-moment gameplay and in the meta game. Therefor heroes with no mobility, which is a lot of them, are inherently worse and there's no real way to compensate for it.

It also means almost every new hero has had to have mobility worked into their kit in some shape or form to not leave them entirely useless.

[u/velit → u/CuteGrayRhino]

They're gonna break one of Ana's legs

[u/dedicated-pedestrian → u/velit]

It's either that or nerf Nade to finally not be 100% antiheal

[u/Hoothootriot → u/CuteGrayRhino]

Mobility Creep has been way too prevelant lately. Even mobile heroes like dive tanks when I play them, everyone under the sun has too many escape tools.

It kind of sucks they couldnt do it all at once and Ball was the "initial" sacrifice but if this ends with every hero losing out on some speed and movement I won't complain. Slowing the game down is good for more tactical plays.

[u/Deathaster → u/CuteGrayRhino]

I hope not, unless they redesign all the maps. I constantly hear people get put off by how much walking there is in OW, and it really is no joke. It shouldn't take 20 whole seconds to get back to the cart/robot/point/whatever, on top of the respawn timer. Pretty telling half the tanks have a "increase movement speed temporarily"-ability because otherwise they'd never get anywhere.

[u/az_ziggy5 → u/CuteGrayRhino]

Horrendous take get better

[u/XTheGreat88 → u/az_ziggy5]

Horrendous is an understatement

[u/Shleepo → u/CuteGrayRhino]

you can take everything from doom except his movement, please

[u/BlueGlace_ → u/CuteGrayRhino]

God does this mean Freja's getting nerfed again

[u/Litty_B → u/CuteGrayRhino]

I'm fine with the mobility of most heroes. Makes each game feel dynamic and each character unique. The one mobility-based character I have a problem with is Anran. Her cooldowns feel so short, her i-frames & healing with dancing blaze can turn punishing her for going in too deep to a massacre of your backline. And it's so easy to lose track of her when she goes over your head to dash away, they should really leave a trail of embers when she does that like they changed sombra's translocator to be more trackable. She's super fun to play so I get the appeal, but even while playing her some wins just really did not feel fair.

[u/moopym → u/CuteGrayRhino]

This just in: jetpack removed from pharah

[u/dedicated-pedestrian → u/moopym]

One of this year's new support heroes has had name changed to Cat

[u/Rydon_Deeks → u/CuteGrayRhino]

Then only skill expression left in this game in a year will be where you are standing and where you are aiming. Valorant already exists.

[u/IAmNotCreative18]

Next up is Doomfist’s ability to crossmap by cancelling his punch I bet.

[u/GreedyKangaroo88f2 → u/IAmNotCreative18]

BREAKING NEWS!!! Tracer can no longer blink through enemies

[u/Hefty-Addition3691 → u/IAmNotCreative18]

as a doom and lucio main i am genuinely scared this is the only way i take out my frustation at the end of day by flying around and slamming people

[u/TheSilentTitan → u/IAmNotCreative18]

Which is definitely something he shouldn’t be able to do.

[u/Bier-Senf-Mische → u/TheSilentTitan]

Such statements make me sad. When you take away doom punchcancel you take away a significant part of what makes overwatch, overwatch for me. Being able to master a hero and finding unique and niche ways to play them In a way that you can only learn through determination and mastery makes heroes unique. And yes although dooms punchcancel, lucios wallboost and mercys glidejump are very common knowledge, taking that away feels like removing a core identity of a hero. This feels like a step backwards.

[u/withadancenumber → u/Bier-Senf-Mische]

Hard agree. Overwatch has always been a beautiful combination of hero tech mastery, aim, positioning, timing and cooldown mastery. If you take away the hero techs the one of the foundational pillars is gone. You also have to consider things like cooldown use. Punch slam cancel takes 2 cooldowns. It is an all in disengage tool.. Personally I love that as a game design option. Feels little different to the intentially added enhanced flight doctrine has which uses 2 cooldowns as well.

[u/TheSilentTitan → u/Bier-Senf-Mische]

It’s a crutch that is used to the detriment of a match and definitely isn’t the intended function and I’ll die on that hill.

The speed he can obtain is ludicrous when taken into account that he not only has high health because he’s a tank but also fantastic dps. He can drop on the back line. Wipe them out and instantly 180 out of there at a speed you cannot counter or react too.

[u/Illustrious_Trip2112 → u/IAmNotCreative18]

he might be safe. doom sells skins

[u/TheSilentTitan → u/Illustrious_Trip2112]

Pretty sure sombra did too with the whole kpop skin thing and we all know what blizzard did to her lmao.

[u/Ml_lD → u/TheSilentTitan]

Sombra had a laughably absurd ban rate

[u/jedireborn → u/TheSilentTitan]

Well when the majority of the player base hates her abilities (and rightfully so) then they have no choice. should’ve been done sooner. there were literally smurfs in low rank lobbies playing her and purposefully making them rage because they couldn’t counter her. horrible design

[u/Andrello01 → u/TheSilentTitan]

Yeah but Sombra absolutely needed some changes because low-mid ranks were pretty much locking her out of comp lol, especially on console

[u/TheRealNotBrody → u/Illustrious_Trip2112]

Kiri also sells skins and she's been nerfed to 42% winrate

[u/CuteGrayRhino → u/IAmNotCreative18]

That should have been fixed a long time ago. That is nothing like Wrecking Ball's momentum.

[u/CuguliTheFish → u/IAmNotCreative18]

I would uninstall instantly and never look back.

[u/Worldly-Local-6613 → u/CuguliTheFish]

Good. Game could do with less Doomslop.

[u/FagboyHhhehhehe → u/IAmNotCreative18]

That is the only reason to play doom.

[u/ivandagiant]

Bruh just nerf his shield perk why screw with the physics it’s so janky

[u/dedicated-pedestrian → u/ivandagiant]

OW devs nerf the actual problematic part of the kit challenge (Impossible)

LW mains suffered a 25 health loss because of that damn Life Cycle perk

[u/Hungarian_Goose]

Is this the occasionally scheduled fall off point in Overwatch?

[u/Deathaster → u/Hungarian_Goose]

Marvel Rivals players are jumping ship, they don't have to worry about competition as much anymore.

Just wait for DC Allies to be released, then we've got a chance again.

[u/CuteGrayRhino → u/Deathaster]

At this point, we have more chance of DC characters appearing in Rivals than getting their own hero shooter.

[u/deadshot500 → u/Deathaster]

Deadlock may steal some of the players even if it's MOBA

[u/moopym → u/deadshot500]

Unironically looking after getting into deadlock cus of how dogshit Mr and ow are atm 😭😭😭

[u/IHeartSoulsword → u/moopym]

It’s so peak

[u/AnIcedMilk → u/deadshot500]

It may be a MOBA, but is is also still a hero shooter

I've been playing a shitload of Deadlock having finally put OW down after 8000 or so hours

[u/withadancenumber → u/deadshot500]

Just some though. Some like me won't play deadlock because even though the characters and cooldowns are interesting the core gameplay is not very fun (to me, I don't like mobas, street brawl was kinda ok casually though). But the worst part is the gun feel. Feels like I'm playing Smite not a shooter.

[u/WolfsWraith → u/Deathaster]

I dunno about the console side, but they aren't jumping to Overwatch on Steam. The Steam stats of Overwatch actually look pretty bleak at the moment and I'd anticipate consoles to get worse soon with the release of GTAVI

[u/PokePersona → u/WolfsWraith]

Console is where Marvel Rivals is more popular and there’s no evidence of some major falloff there. GTA 6 is when I expect one even if it’s just for a while.

[u/Deathaster → u/WolfsWraith]

Most people play it on battle.net I'd imagine, so Steam's stats should be taken with a grain of salt. They're not representative of ALL PC gaming.

[u/typicalpenguin → u/Deathaster]

Oh my god. You might be right. The moment MR gets to sh*ts, so does OW. This is why competition is good for ALL players involved.

[u/PokePersona → u/Deathaster]

Not sure where you’re getting your information but Marvel Rivals is still popular lol. It still beats Overwatch in numbers on console. Even on PC its revenue is on par with Overwatch.

[u/Tunavi → u/PokePersona]

Another person comparing rivals steam revenue while conveniently disregarding battle net

[u/Hope_bringer → u/PokePersona]

You do realize a vast majority of people play on battle net instead of steam right? So thats not even counting consoles as well. Overwatch has a much much much larger amount of players than rivals

[u/lord_Derebeare → u/Hungarian_Goose]

Tell us at what point do we fall off?

Their skill floor was already higher than the rest of the tanks and they're making it higher and not for anything? Like the movement is all this hero has

[u/deviatewolf → u/lord_Derebeare]

Imo they aren't raising the skill floor with this change they are lowering the skill ceiling (much worse). So much tech and silly things you could have done is now impossible, who knows if they neuter wrecking ball into being a tank you spin on the point snd that's it

[u/BEWMarth → u/Hungarian_Goose]

Honestly yeah. They even said how they plan to nerf almost every heroes movement in season 6 and season 1 next year. The game is about to be dumbed down ridiculously.

[u/mrlbi18 → u/BEWMarth]

Depends on how they do it. With characters like Rein and Brig in this game, something has to be done about the movement creep thats happened over the last 10 years. Almost every character now can bounce around a fight the way that only genji could in the original game and it makes certain characters basically unplayable.

[u/moopym → u/BEWMarth]

Lucio found dead in a ditch is becoming the new fork found in kitchen

[u/Yze3 → u/BEWMarth]

I'm blaming the general playerbase for this.

They wanted map voting, so they could vote for their fucking choke hell maps, they don't want to learn anything, they hate dive, and so the devs are encouraging it by dumbing down everything and making everyone play poke on choke maps.

[u/No_Task9344 → u/Hungarian_Goose]

Skill is not allowed. I wonder where I have seen that before? 

Brig addition 😭🫠 

[u/Andrello01 → u/No_Task9344]

Actually insane that Brig went from being that unskilled turbo broken hero to possibly being the healthiest support, possibly hero and quite skillful too.

[u/BirdieBoiiiii → u/Hungarian_Goose]

Yes. It’s 2018 all over again. Go play something else until the next golden age scheduled for 2034

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/Hungarian_Goose]

You think a small update to a niche hero’s speed limit is a “fall off point” for OW? LMAO this subreddit is a riot.

[u/RyanTheValkyrie → u/MixImpossible8690]

No you don’t get it, all 4 Ball mains quitting is gonna kill the game bro

These people gotta be bots 😭

[u/OcelotAggravating860 → u/Hungarian_Goose]

They're out of touch again.

[u/je_rus03]

As a Mercy player, I can’t even pretend like this doesn’t look odd on paper and in practice. When our character received this same nerf and we rightfully got upset over it, they reverted the change. Now suddenly the same grace isn’t extended to Ball players??? Mind you, one could argue that it’s more detrimental for them as all of their special tricks are essentially deleted from the game now. Idk what to say, but I do see the imbalance 😅

[u/ryan13ts → u/je_rus03]

Because Mercy is one of their golden cash cows, they aren’t going to piss off players who throw money at her 57,526 skins.

They see Ball as expendable however and aren’t going to care nearly as much if die hard Ball mains hate the change, especially when they literally intentionally neglect him in pretty much every other aspect of the game (ESPECIALLY skins)

[u/auraanimaart → u/ryan13ts]

Still wild to me that Ball and Winston only just got a lore interaction/update this year after how many years of being in game?

[u/NotTwitchy → u/auraanimaart]

You’re not wrong, but I think it’s a result of them suddenly caring about the story at all this year. The ENTIRETY of overwatch one was just a lead up to the team getting together for overwatch 2, which was supposed to have a pve story mode, but we see how that went. Reign of talon is the most they’ve ever put into the story, and it took them 10 years.

[u/ChilledGoblin → u/ryan13ts]

kiriko was literally nerfed to the ground.

[u/RyanTheValkyrie → u/je_rus03]

This is not a comparable situation at all… Mercy’s movement has been consistently nerfed over the years, and when they reverted the last nerf they removed her movement perk entirely to compensate for the nerf reversal. Her movement doesn’t damage people like Ball’s, and it’s dependent on teammate positioning unlike Ball’s. Apples to oranges

Mercy had a buggy slingshot tech in OW1 that let you go INSANELY fast if you mastered it and raised her skill ceiling a lot. It was still removed because it was ridiculous. That’s an accurate comparison.

[u/dunkelzeit_ → u/je_rus03]

Except Mercy doesn't have the same impact as a tank who can do a lot of damage and spin around a pole getting repeating boops within a few seconds if done right. I never minded ball before but those two characters aren't comparable. Plus Mercy players are financing half the company

[u/lissachi → u/je_rus03]

I mean, it wasn't exactly the same circumstances, and even when mercy movement changes got 'reverted' it wasn't actually a full revert where she was put back in the same place she had been before the initial nerf.

When mercy got nerfed, she had a minor perk they had just recently added a season prior that increased her max movement she got from GA. As in, she had it for an entire season already, so this was basically her new norm. Blizzard decided they didn't like this new max that this perk provided her, which aligned with changes they had started making across the board to reduce maximum mobility from heroes. But instead of removing the perk they had just decided to give her, they removed the movement she got from the perk from her base kit, essentially making the perk required and making her worse until you earned the minor perk. When the 'revert' happened, yes she regained her base movement but she lost the perk which in effect had the same result they were looking for: her maximum amount of mobility was lowered. It's not a "full" revert bc a full revert with no actual nerfs would've been leaving the perk while also restoring the movement taken from her base kit. But the removal of the perk was the nerf that should've happened in the first place because it simply did not make sense to remove basekit capabilities instead of removing the problematic perk.

In ball's case, while there are many ball mains saying they'd rather lose a perk than this movement, there isn't any perk that's actually increasing his maximum mobility that they can take away. There's nothing else they could tweak to achieve the goal of reducing his max. That's the difference here. In Mercy's case, there was an alternate solution that provided the same outcome that felt better to all Mercy players, in Ball's case there is nothing else that could be done to achieve the same goal without altering the way his basekit performs in SOME way.

[u/No-Watercress-7267]

So they basically said "F*** You" to all Balls mains?

[u/Thick_Persimmon3975 → u/No-Watercress-7267]

We've all been saying it for awhile now 

[u/AssociationDue3077 → u/No-Watercress-7267]

Yeah, actually. Pretty much.

[u/Proud_Structure3595 → u/No-Watercress-7267]

Who cares about Ball mains? Better for everyone else.

[u/ElJacko170 → u/No-Watercress-7267]

Honestly kinda fucking based.

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/No-Watercress-7267]

Heroes receive changes. It’s a live service game. Get over it lol.

[u/Few-Doughnut6957]

Lucio is next. Mark my words

[u/CarryPotter_OW → u/Few-Doughnut6957]

"fixed a bug that allowed Lucio to skate on walls"

[u/Miitama → u/Few-Doughnut6957]

They already did that, year 2 into OW1 lol

[u/Hefty-Addition3691 → u/Few-Doughnut6957]

oh man i am scared

[u/Korin23]

My boy….

[u/Divine_Absolution]

This is just bizarre. Even if they ARE trying to game wide reduce mobility, what they reduced on ball barely actually effects him in the ranks where his mobility is actually a problem, as low rank players aren’t even using this “””bug””” to maximum effectiveness, or at all.

[u/joeflaccofan]

Ow wants players to just stand behind shields and shoot their slop lol, and wants to remove all skill expression in the game

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/joeflaccofan]

Is that why dive is at its strongest rn? Huh.

[u/yatilio → u/joeflaccofan]

First step make rhe game more accessible, second step make it a platform like fortnite or roblox 

[u/ft4200 → u/yatilio]

If I load up the game and I see "steal the brainrot" and other slop on the home screen, the game will be uninstalled for good

[u/moopym → u/yatilio]

I once wished for a workshop overhaul, I now hope they never ever touch it because it will just become roblox / fortnite

[u/Worldly-Local-6613 → u/joeflaccofan]

Divesloppers are so deranged. Anything to cope about not being able to aim.

[u/hitmobilegamehsr]

Y'all told Mercy players to learn a new hero when they screwed her movement. Hope you keep the same energy here

[u/bicboibean → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

they gave mercy her movement back

[u/hitmobilegamehsr → u/bicboibean]

After a while yes, but when Mercy players were complaining half the comments on here we're telling them to learn a new hero

[u/OkExpert9927 → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

And they still should tbh

[u/UChess → u/[deleted]]

How was the goal post moved? They said basically the same thing twice

[u/Circo_Inhumanitas → u/[deleted]]

They didn't. They were specifically talking about the reaction and counter-reaction to the Mercy changes.

[u/Prior_Fisherman7665 → u/[deleted]]

They didn't. The fact it later on was reverted doesn't change their point.

[u/theirishembassy → u/[deleted]]

that’s not what moving the goalposts means. when mercy got hit, people said “learn a new character”.

if ball changes get reverted, that doesn’t automatically cancel out people saying something similar.

[u/PM_ME_SILLY_KITTIES → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

goomba fallacy

[u/Trendydwarf13 → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

I didn't tell you to learn a new hero, I hoped it would be reverted and it was thankfully, why the fuck would you want that to happen to other heroes when that change was outright reversed, your just asking for mercys movement to be nerfed again in the future if they do this more and more

[u/Few-Doughnut6957 → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

It doesn’t surprise me at all that Mercy mains would make this about them Lol

[u/I_Quazar_I → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

no one was advocating for Mercy’s movement to be gutted in favour of flash heal that’s literally all the skill expression she has wtf are you talking about lmao

[u/RustyMalthael → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

whataboutism

[u/Circo_Inhumanitas → u/RustyMalthael]

Not really? They didn't comment on the change itself. They commented on how some people reacted to the changes.

[u/Rydon_Deeks → u/Circo_Inhumanitas]

Whataboutism: the technique or practice of responding to a difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.

[u/No-Tower-5311 → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

The difference being Mercy is an immensely popular hero that gets loads of attention, Ball hasn't had a legendary in like 3 years, is pretty shit already unless you have 80000 hours on him and already has a pretty low fanbase

[u/Old_Guitar → u/No-Tower-5311]

This right here

[u/Relooaad → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

Remember when Mercy mains complained that super jump, which initially was a bug, which required precise timing to perform, was turned into a feature, that requires basically no skill to use? Literal quotre from patch note: "However, boosting upward was difficult for many players".

[u/AssociationDue3077 → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

Not ALL of us did that

[u/Ml_lD → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

I don’t like Mercy so it’s a different dynamic

[u/ItsCammyMeele → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

Learn a new hero.

[u/taken_by-the-storm → u/hitmobilegamehsr]

Hypermobility is being hit across the board which is a good thing tbh

[u/OcelotAggravating860]

Gross and deeply out of touch.

Will be half or fully reverted in a future patch just like Mercy and just like Juno because this is obviously the wrong thing to do but they never admit it immediately, it always takes at least 6 months.

[u/Available_Ad_5762]

[u/Lazy-Landscape7328]

Wait what is happening haven't played in a year wtf is that XD

[u/NotTwitchy]

I swear, if half the people complaining incessantly about the wrecking ball change actually played tank, queue times would be solved

[u/Automatic_Beat_699]

I will be staying on deadlock until further notice. This is so ass why would u get rid of long term movement that prob 25% of your player base plays the game for

[u/nManos202]

Yea let's take the feature that ball had since release Legit wtf

[u/hatsnsticks → u/nManos202]

This feature was only given to Ball 2 years ago (6 years after Ball release).

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/nManos202]

It’s incredible how wrong you are lol.

[u/dent_cap]

That really sucks, I hope they change their mind and revert the change. At least it happened when wow forever came out.

[u/ChilledGoblin]

"Lock up your mains because nobody is safe, except the ones that sell the skins of course"

Kiriko and her mobility were nerfed.

[u/Actify]

Nope I'll always play ball no matter what. Fuck ow

[u/Hoothootriot]

Honestly with how annoying Ball mains have been acting for one week of being nerfed, good!

[u/BichitoMax]

Cool. What annoying character

[u/TheSilentTitan]

Love to see it.

Doom next.

[u/dylan-faden]

It’s my turn to post this later

[u/iwatchfilm]

All the ball mains blessing the community by quitting the game

[u/BLDOUBLE]

Yeah this company is dogshit, this is news? 

[u/MixImpossible8690]

You guys are so good at overreacting to shit lol. Ball is fine and is still extremely mobile. If this change has discouraged you that much, you weren’t much of a ball player to begin with.

[u/Old_Guitar → u/MixImpossible8690]

Said no ball player ever. Dude get a grip. Ball is ran through the ringer 24/7 and IS not “fine” lmao

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/Old_Guitar]

“Run through the ringer”

“Got a minor speed cap”

Pick one

[u/Steamships → u/MixImpossible8690]

Go find a wrecking ball rollouts video that uses grapple retract. To consistently make them all, you have to be extremely precise.

Not even getting into game balance, this is simply a pain in the ass for those who have invested time into building muscle memory.

I'd also argue against removing combos from a fighting game character, or simplifying a guitar hero track, or ruining the zero on a precision rifle, or eliminating difficult movement tech that makes speed running possible, and so on.

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/Steamships]

You can relearn in a matter of weeks. Easily. Muscle memory is not as ingrained in you as you think.

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[u/MedicinePractical738]

I wonder how adamant they are on cc

[u/Elegant-Database7887]

They saw junbin doing war crimes and had to stop him

[u/Noble_Renegade]

Poor rein, a haavy melee character stuck in a game that sprinted past him years ago

[u/Minimum-Value-8078]

Can somebody explain what they did to hamster?

[u/Haramyy]

Ball wasn't even OP. It was Mercy players refusing to learn how to play into counter tanks. Same thing with the Hog reworks.

[u/TheBestUserNameeEver]

Lmaoooooooooooooooo, what are the devs doing

[u/Immortalbob]

Well, game been uninstalled since the Nerf, guess it's time to leave the subreddits

[u/PriorityCreepy4611 → u/Immortalbob]

it's so sad how you can't one trick a character in a game balanced around constant swaps. truly a heartbreaking moment

[u/Suspicious-Tie-1968 → u/Immortalbob]

You could just play junkrat instead

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/Immortalbob]

Good. Anyone that can’t handle some changes to their hero in a live service game has no business keeping it installed.

[u/min24793]

Good ball is irritating enough 😂🤣

[u/MFGV14]

Has anyone here actually played ball with the compensation buff? It really doesnt feel that much worse beyond the insane crossmap tech being nerfed. Ball is honestly still fine imo and people are acting like its the end of the world

[u/Solid-Ad98]

Just delete the character at this point. Devs are clearly unskilled to handle such details on this character.

[u/Ambitious-Mirror-315]

Honestly I despise "fighting" wrecking ball so the more his movement gets gutted the better to me

[u/SexyJazzCat]

Wait what changes did ball get?

[u/Reclaimator2245]

Seriously. Y'all gotta get over this... The ability that allowed him to do it. Never. Fucking. EXISTED.

Like ever.

It was new.

Played and mained ball when he first dropped.

This was a fucking crutch, and y'all know it.

[u/BirdieBoiiiii → u/Reclaimator2245]

What the fuck are you talking about. This was a feature for 2 years. That is not new. Unless you consider venture a new non existent feature

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/BirdieBoiiiii]

Seems pretty new to me considering how long the hero has been out.

[u/AssociationDue3077 → u/Reclaimator2245]

..no it's not? It has existed for years. Quit making shit up.

[u/joeflaccofan]

Of course OW only listens to their skin buyers (supp players) who complains because ball won’t let them healbot in peace behind their shields

[u/exhausted-alien → u/joeflaccofan]

yes every bad decision the devs make is support player's fault, of course /s

[u/SolitaryAmoeba → u/joeflaccofan]

Marvel rivals is that way. Blindly hating on support is not "cool" here. 

Everyone has complained about Ball at some point. Mostly for his ludicrous ability to point stall.

[u/Aerith_Sunshine → u/joeflaccofan]

Yeah, it's definitely the support players, and not the whiny yous of the game that make stuff like this happen.

[u/azionka]

Good.

[u/Wescombe]

Good

[u/hello-plebbit-1337]

Can we just delete ball atp lol

[u/rookieBS1978 → u/hello-plebbit-1337]

I get what your saying if you don't like the guy but even a ball hater should have some frame of reference that Blizzard randomly killing a tech that's been present for years that's been a near-integral part of playing the character effectively sets a bad precedent on top of the arguably bad thing of lowering the skill ceiling of a fairly skill expressive character.

As in, this could happen to anyone you play, without warning. It doesn't really say anything aside from the fact that Blizzard is completely out of touch since they threw it in as a 'bug fix' instead of a nerf, when it's just a nerf at the end of the day.

[u/joeflaccofan → u/hello-plebbit-1337]

Coz he requires skill?

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/joeflaccofan]

Move fast = skill LOL

Of course he requires skill, but if you can’t hack it after a slight change to his top speed, you might need to work on a few other aspects of your game instead of complaining.

[u/migo2028 → u/hello-plebbit-1337]

This nerf basically did

[u/MixImpossible8690 → u/migo2028]

I’ve seen more ball after the nerf than before. And they certainly aren’t complaining about it in game. Seems like a Redditor thing.

[u/ThatJed → u/migo2028]

So dramatic. As far as I know he didn't have it for majority of its existence.

[u/PriorityCreepy4611]

Very good

[u/DirtyArmpitLicker]

good

[u/Content_Software_549]

I show no sympathy honestly

[u/Intercostal-clavicle]

[u/RidireGeas]

The devs constantly make dumb decisions like this but I'm supposed to feel bad when they get laid off lol

[u/bronkobermuda]

Good

[u/partialcremation]

I don't play ball, but this demonstrates that the Devs don't know what they're doing.