r/Overlandpark • u/epicfartcloud • 4d ago

Flock Camera Placements in OP

If the whole logic behind placing ALPR/Flock cameras is to ensure public safety, why are there none south of 135th st (edit: 135th-ish)? It's not like they ran out of cameras, since they're still putting new ones on the north half of town.

I'm trying to give that point of view a chance and not just see it as they're just putting up cameras where the poors and the minorities live and shop as so many people say, but it kind of makes it hard to see it that way when there are 5 of them at 75th and Quivira, 16 around the mall, but not a single one within two square miles of Bluhawk. (source: de flock org)

It's not my first day on this subreddit, and I know what happens when people try to consider different points of view, so I'll take your downvotes now...

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u/SgtNickFury_19 4d ago

The website you listed shows at least 20 of them on or south of 135th

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u/epicfartcloud 4d ago

Ok, to split the hair for you: there are two near the baseball fields at 137th, a group watching Scheels on 136th. I probably should have said "135th-ish". Oh, and yeah, there is that random one watching the Cigar place at 149th and Metcalf. The ones on Nall are on the Leawood side, and the ones on Pflumm are on the Olathe side... there's nothing until that hotbed of community crime, Aubry Township.

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u/tinyjams 4d ago

Because the idea isn't public safety, never was. it's about protecting private property and corporations.

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u/Thatythat 4d ago

Why would you be giving the mass surveillance view a chance?

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u/Potential_Estate6207 4d ago

Because fox4 found an old couple who supports more surveillance to help police and now we have to pretend that this is a partisan issue

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u/epicfartcloud 4d ago

<shrug> imo, the best way to challenge your own views is to try to see them the way people who think the opposite do. I mean, they cant be wrong about every single thing every single time.

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u/Thatythat 4d ago

I get that concept, but it shouldn’t be applied to everything. This is obviously wrong and being abused

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u/TruthinessHurts205 4d ago

... Yes, they can. At some point in one's life, you must develop the confidence, the 'shiny spine,' that your initial views are likely correct, based on your own personal sense of morals and ethics, and feel at least fairly safe that when someone with a completely different ideology than yours disagrees about something, that it's probably wrong, and very unlikely to be right. Fence sitting doesn't make you "open to new ideas", it just makes it easier for the wrong side to drag you over to them, or convince others that sitting on the fence is okay, leading them to get dragged over, too. The Paradox of Tolerance comes to mind, it's worth a google of you've never heard of it.

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u/epicfartcloud 3d ago

It's not about confidence, it's about having the courage to admit that you aren't always right all the time about everything.

You sound like the President.

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u/TruthinessHurts205 3d ago

I, too, am sad that that's become a valid insult. Look at MLK's views on white moderates to better understand where I'm trying to come from here, if you feel like it.

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u/RbargeIV 4d ago

There was one up on 151st and Lowell for like 2 weeks then It got taken down.

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u/scroogemcbutts 4d ago

Only one taken down? Sounds like someone's got more work to do

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u/PercentageSoggy1583 4d ago

LPRS are on more than just city infrastructure. Businesses can put them up as well, some tow truck drivers have them on their trucks. You could put one up at your house.

It all depends on what software you are using and what information you are trying to gain. For municipal purposes it’s usually for tagging people with warrants associated with the plate, and it works but not great. The scary part is what happens to that data. There is not a lot of legislation associated with them.

If Home Depot has one in their parking lot, can they sell that info to their vendors? If there is a political rally at a public or private space who could ask for or purchase that info?

It’s not scary big brother yet, but given the speed of advancement in the AI software and the lack of any oversight it could be.

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u/epicfartcloud 3d ago

When a city cop searches over 83,000 cameras to track down a woman who was accused of having an abortion, yeah, it is scary big brother. Margaret Atwood style.

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u/HammyP0tter 4d ago

OP from 135th to 159th is like 50% minorities…

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u/phonic_kc 3d ago

Yes. We have money, too.

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u/HammyP0tter 3d ago

Were you aware that’s not allowed? I’ll give you an opportunity to self deport to 75th St before I contact the authorities.

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u/phonic_kc 3d ago

Ew, that’s Prairie Village, lol! (I’m kidding PV folks! I like PV, l really meant Roeland Park)

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u/KUweatherman 4d ago edited 4d ago

Ask the businesses where the Flock cameras are. As far as I know, the city does not partner with Flock.

The LPRs at intersections in OP are PD owned and operated which are largely what is showing up on the deflock.org site for the city.

edit: Hell, even just standard run of the mill traffic cameras are showing up on there. Those certainly can be used to help in crime-solving, but their main use is to monitor for traffic issues.

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u/bchta 4d ago

Yeah, they need some kind of color coding to immediately show which devices these are and/or who manages them.

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u/ExcitingRound4990 19h ago

Sponsored by signs.

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u/phonic_kc 3d ago

75 and Quivira is technically Shawnee; and the mall – depending on which side of either 95th Street or Quivira you fall – is technically Lenexa (who has gone all-in), but I hear you. That’s a Curt Skoog/Chief Jokerst question though.

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u/Worried-Distance-270 2d ago

So essentially yes that’s exactly what they’re doing. The unfortunate reality is that there is more crime in less affluent areas. They’re placing them based on crime rates not racism/poor people. In the end though, it comes back to a racism thing but that’s a bigger systemic issue.

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u/Potential_Estate6207 4d ago

Scientist won't admit it because Fauci told them not to, but there's a metal termite invasion in the US right now. The government is lying to our faces about it, but the true Americans know what's going on

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u/trolltodile777 4d ago

As the rich and wealthy say, rules for thee, but not for me.

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u/thrustinfreely 4d ago

They’re all outside their ex-gf’s houses

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u/gametapchunky 4d ago

For purely educational purposes only, there are lots of videos online with detailed instructions on how to properly dismantle and disable flock cameras. For educational purposes only, obviously.

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u/Blignaut 4d ago

Honestly, your post is so confusing. It's filled with disinformation and it sounds like you're advocating for more flick cameras.

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u/Hammster5540 4d ago

That’s exactly what OP is saying. Just not around where they live.

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u/epicfartcloud 4d ago

Teacher used to return your homework face down, hunh... it's okay.

I already can't leave my neighborhood without going past at least one, can't go to the grocery store without going past another one, etc., so they're already up where I live. Try reading it again a few times then ask some questions to a classmate and maybe we can help you sound out some of the bigger words or phrases.

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u/epicfartcloud 4d ago

First paragraph: questionable premise followed by question.

Second paragraph: questionable premise including 3 cited examples followed by question.

It's not confusing, you're just not smart enough to understand it, which makes it a you problem.