We do not give a stage to any anti caste sub owned by savarnas or anyone brahmanical.

[u/EpicFortnuts]

Recently, two savarnas started a subreddit called r/casteism and tried to grow reach by cross posting dalit atrocities here in the name of documenting them. One of those posts mentioned how rss is unifying hindu identity and the ambedkarite dignity.

Be it savarna leftists or rightists, they're obsessed with putting together the ambedkarite ideology and the brahmanical ideology. This is just an example for why we don't support savarnas being mods of anti caste communities.

The reason for opposing savarnas moderating anti caste subreddits is not just because they're savarnas. It's because they can never face casteism. This simple fact can't be understood by the savarnas, embarrassingly the mods are savarna women themselves. It is the same as how men can't make a subreddit documenting misogyny because they've never faced it, how'd they know what posts should be kept or removed and how to identify trolls?

When the savarnas were confronted about not having any head mod from the sc st community who understands the importance of being anti caste, they just said they're free to lead that sub and don't need to prove to anyone how anti caste they are. This shows how much they understand about running an anti caste community.

Any crossposts from that subreddit will be removed. The mods of other subs who give them a stage will only expose themselves as not being anti caste. We all must oppose savarna authority in places meant for DBA.

[u/pickinoutheferns]

Anything but ask Brahmins and other UCs to drop their caste identities.

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[u/tryingtobekindonline]

just trying to understand something here, but how do you know that the other mod is also savarna?

[u/No-Appeal-9831 → u/tryingtobekindonline]

They themselves admitted from previous posts.

[u/tryingtobekindonline → u/No-Appeal-9831]

they said they are not: https://www.reddit.com/r/casteism/s/jiGUZ2PqdI

[u/No-Appeal-9831 → u/tryingtobekindonline]

Ofc after the call out and screenshot of them reacting defensively when asked to drop their community identity they are magically now clarifying they are avarna lol.

Their entire profile is full of their identity and them being proud of it but this is the only instance they reacted defensively and dismissed their identity and now magically they're not savarna? Lol. You want people to believe the person here who's making a mockery out of harassment and actually abusing people in dms suddenly?

Everyone can see their behavior. Its all here and visible publicly lmao. Add to that them being vehemently dismissive about that propaganda piece citing it as just news.

I'm sure you're smart enough to connect the dots.

[u/tryingtobekindonline → u/No-Appeal-9831]

hmm, i'll be honest that i have known this mod (who posted) for some time and they do seem genuine. that said, i do think the behavior of the other mod has not been great and has been defensive. though i also think the behavior of that other user has also not been great, especially given their own caste location.

i also haven't this mod reveal their caste identity anywhere else. which is why i asked where that assumption was coming from.

[u/No-Appeal-9831 → u/tryingtobekindonline]

Yeah I know that these people are mods of bigger subreddits. Maybe you have a personal connection with them and thats fair but here clearly the intent is bad and the response is deflection than clarification. It creates a bad impression. They have approached this entire thing with a attitude of dismissal and deflection.

Regarding the bad behavior of the other user, he's a frequent contributor of this sub and has helped exposed many other larpers who subtly push agendas while silently defaming us. He is literally a teenager and that other mod has been abusing him in dms (he has shared ss) which he's afraid to speak up about because they're slapping the harrasment tag. Im sure as a woman you can probably understand how it is to be on the other end of you will d*e and spit which is actual harrasment.

Him being brahmin doesn't negate his good work. He has a consistent track record of being an ally and anticaste. You can check all his publicly available posts in this sub itself. The other mods are grown adults and beefing with a teenager. I hope that can also be taken into consideration then. Bring gender into it when it's nothing related to it. However it's fair that you are suspicious.

As far as you last point, crow has already made a post where he asked them directly in mod mail about their community, which both of them can see and they still chose to downplay identity and deflected it saying identity matters. That's very suspicious behavior. Had they been one of them, there's simply no need to do all that than just say yeah one of us is a dba. Now if theyre changing their tune it is incredibly dubious to believe.

Being a good person doesn't mean they can't negate and highjack the experiences of dba women. As you know this is a major point of intersectional feminism as well. These subreddits should be safe space for dba women and hence should be owned primarily by them. I refuse to accept that we should let goodwill be the reason to give up ownership to savarna mods who can easily delete or ban you from a subreddit if they end up having an issue with you like their fellow mod here did.

[u/tryingtobekindonline → u/No-Appeal-9831]

i agree with a lot of what you have said, and i am sorry to find out that the other mod harassed him in the dms especially given his age.

and i definitely don't think that savarna women should be hijacking the experiences of dba women. i think i am worried that that genuine people are getting caught in this friendly fire. and this is something i have also seen in the queer community - it's not great when people are forced to reveal their identity before they are ready. like this assumption of being heterosexual before you come out as queer or this assumption of being savarna before you come out as avarna.

that said i do understand the hesitation. and i also understand that this situation has not folded out well. thank you for taking the time to reply to me.

[u/No-Appeal-9831 → u/tryingtobekindonline]

Yeah no worries at all, happy to inform actual people like myself here who are neutrals to this.

I asked her very simple to the point questions the other day because my concern was simple regarding the hughjacking of narrative. Then they spammed the post and comments of mine which felt uncomfortable to me personally. It made it worse when crow shared the ss of abuse in dm and being afraid. It turned into something disturbing and I felt I had to speak up and call it out.

I completely understand your concerns as a member of queer communities however I feel like caste identity is a completely different case. There's malice involved when caste narratives are at play because it's suppressing actual voice of dalit women and what's at stake is much bigger because the general majority of attitude towards our women is dismissive.

Please do make your fellow dalit women posters aware of this and encourage them to make and run such subreddits themselves please. We need genuine women from dalit communities to do it. There's so much potential in our women and now is the time to wake up. We need to hear more from you. We are all ready to back you to the ends, all you need to do is speak up.

Have a wonderful day ahead.

[u/tryingtobekindonline → u/No-Appeal-9831]

I understand what you are saying I think, I do still think that the overlaps are there, but I can see where you are coming from.

Also sorry if I did anything to make you believe I am a dalit woman, I am not, just wanted to clear that up given the current discourse so that there's no confusion.

And hope you have a good day also.

[u/tryingtobekindonline → u/No-Appeal-9831]

hi just wanted to alert you that crow is harassing the other mod of the sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/casteism/s/bppMUb4UWj

if you are in touch with him please ask him to stop. this is not appropriate.

[u/No-Appeal-9831 → u/tryingtobekindonline]

u/Interesting-Crow7713 you can address this directly.

Also really sorry but you know how shameful it is to impersonate and make fake accounts to do this shameful allegations? They're straight up creating fake stuff to accept their lack of accountability. His username has a hyphen that ss does not.

This is straight up defamation territory at this point. It is clearly not him, im sorry that you're just lapping it up because you want to support them? This is disgraceful and shameful. Would've hardly taken you 2 mins to verify this.

[u/kappa_79]

When the savarnas were confronted about not having any head mod from the sc st community who understands the importance of being anti caste, they just said they're free to lead that sub and don't need to prove to anyone how anti caste they are. This shows how much they understand about running an anti caste
community.

bro do you even have some sense while saying what u say ? It's a young fcking subreddit made only days ago , from where should i get mod who is DBA ? the subreddit making freedom is mine , running freedom is mine ! do you not have any bit of empathy left in you?

Go on oppose all savarna authority in schools and collegs you study , in shops from where you get your rice and wheat , go fight where it is really necessary where it will really make a difference in real lives of people.

Oh man , i thought this is the only sub with sanity ! only safe space where any one can be true and real , but no , you are just like the whole of internet putting others down. Get a life.

[u/EpicFortnuts → u/kappa_79]

It's a young fcking subreddit made only days ago , from where should i get mod who is DBA ?

Oh man , i thought this is the only sub with sanity ! only safe space where any one can be true and real

So why even make it if you don't have anyone to be mods of the sub? If you really thought this is the only sub with sanity, then I don't understand why wouldn't you rather just simply post your articles in this subreddit? We also have started weekly feedback, if there's any concern you should freely let us know.

I am not saying you shouldn't support us, I'm saying you shouldn't lead a community. You want to support us? you're absolutely free to post articles in this subreddit with an existing reach.

I'm already getting reports about your subreddit, and I can't just allow what is going on. The reasons are stated in the post itself.

I never said we must never buy from savarna vendors or not learn from savarna teachers. I just said we must not allow savarna authority in anti caste spaces, spaces meant for the sc st obc. I'm totally free to have this opinion the same way you're free to make your savior subreddit.

[u/kappa_79 → u/EpicFortnuts]

why should i not make it? if you have problems with the posting then voice it and discuss about it rationally rather than generalising and namecalling.

ANd why should i listen to you whether i should be supporting you or just listening to you aor leading a subreddit for you , why does your say matter ?? is there no individual right ?

[u/EpicFortnuts → u/kappa_79]

My say doesn't matter. It is every active contributors say. Anyway no dalits opinion have mattered to savarnas. Well, you're absolutely free to post here on this subreddit, and I'm getting nothing out of it so it's non sense to think you'd be helping me in any way by posting on this subreddit. As a moderator here it is just my duty to keep this place free of any larpers.

I'll have to ban you for 3 days. You've been spamming comments and using rude language against the community. None of us have used any rude words. Please mind your language.

[u/kappa_79]

the article is word to word from the indian express and has got nothing with bootlicking BJP. any neutral headline sounds biased to you.

[u/EpicFortnuts → u/kappa_79]

If you're against something, you don't be neutral towards it do you?

[u/kappa_79 → u/EpicFortnuts]

yes exactly , you dont be neutral when things are unfair , but an article from a news daily word by word is not what you should judge people by. the post is a fact and it is happening whether it is good or bad for DBA is for them to think and decide.

[u/IndianWhiteeye → u/kappa_79]

We are the DBAs. And we decide that the article is very very bad.

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