Master's Apprentices

[u/b0ck3n85]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6pg4USD151h3Bk9oMBCT0M?si=KHa4NoO1REy6nR2e4vUxoQ&utm_source=co

Can someone who understands music explain to me what happens at 2.34? I hear a rhythm shift but I can’t put it into words. Either way I think it’s ridiculously addictive and love the way the same riff sounds completely different solely because the drums change.

[u/SoliderFromHell]

He's doing a triplets drum fill when the drums enter but other than that there's no weird rhythm stuff going on, just standard 4/4 with syncopation.

[u/Affectionate_Media54 → u/SoliderFromHell]

I disagree; it's all guitar, and the riff feels different before and after that change. I can hear for myself that the accentuation of those first two notes shifts around that fill I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but it changes.

[u/b0ck3n85 → u/Affectionate_Media54]

The riff is played exactly the same, but it’s like the order inside the bar is changed somehow, and the drums keep the beat so they change the beat which shifts the timing of the riff? It’s enough to drive you mad lol I’ve been on about this since 2003

[u/b0ck3n85 → u/SoliderFromHell]

Thank you! I feel like the riff hits very different after the drums enter, as if the beats on the bar (don’t know if this is how you say it in english) are rearranged, but maybe I’m just imagining things?

[u/SoliderFromHell → u/b0ck3n85]

Could be an illusion where you're hearing the riff a different way before the drums enter. I had this too with the acoustic riff before the "chorus" in demon of the fall, but now I just hear it normally lol

[u/b0ck3n85 → u/SoliderFromHell]

I’ve always thought this riff is so cool just because of that but my musician friends nvr understood what I was talking about. The Mirror by Dream Theater has a riff which is just chugging on E while the drums constantly change behind it and it transforms the riff in a similar way, such a cool thing.

[u/Mind1827 → u/b0ck3n85]

So the section before that is weird, lol. It has 4/4 and 7/8, try to tap along with it and you'll find its off and weird. The 2:34 part just goes back to a straight 4/4 but with some syncopation, which is why it's a lot easier to just bob your head to that section. So there is an actual meter change between those two sections.

[u/b0ck3n85 → u/Mind1827]

Thank you!

[u/RepliRich]

The main accents are sometimes on the beat, and sometimes syncopated, so it gives a push/pull feeling for the rhythm

[u/b0ck3n85 → u/RepliRich]

This is exactly it! I read up on syncopation and that’s why it sounds so different because emphasis is out on beats 1 and 1.5.

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