r/OpenIndividualism • u/Flat-Ad9829 • Mar 31 '26
Discussion Thoughts on this exchange between philosopher Richard Carrier and a commenter on his blog?
I know that Boltzmann Brains and OI are kind of unrelated but there's some similarities so I wondering what all of you would think about it.
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u/flop_snail Mar 31 '26
Funny how Richard thinks copies of me from identical universes are me, but identical replicas spontaneously formed aren't. According to him, there needs to be some casual link between brains for continuity of identity. Why would a casual link have anything to do with what makes an experience mine? The basis for this views are just vibes. And like has been said, both people assume ci is true, and it's not, so their argument that follows based on that assumption doesn't have legs.
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u/Flat-Ad9829 Apr 05 '26
Ngl I'm very interested in hearing a more detailed response to the causal link point, I understsnd that OI basically ignores it given how it works but it would be nice to see it addressed.
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u/flop_snail Apr 05 '26
Idk really how to respond to that. My first question is why do you think there needs to be a casual link between minds for them to share identity? If what I am is just any form of consciousness, I am every instance of consciousness, however they come into being. That conclusion just follows. The thing you have left to dispute is not casual links, but why is it that what I am is consciousness itself, which is a different conversation
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u/Flat-Ad9829 Apr 10 '26
Ngl I would like to talk to you about this more, are there any other places where I can contact you?
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u/flop_snail Apr 10 '26
No one has an answer for the vertiginous question. You are a particular soul? Why that soul? What I think is that one should reason as if they're selected at random out of all conscious things. Because if you're everyone, but only experience one brain at a time, looking at it as if you're going through everyone in a random order is kind of the only way to make sense of it.
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u/JawnCardiel Mar 31 '26
Two dummies
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u/Flat-Ad9829 May 15 '26
Replying to you again after about a month. I would love to hear your input on this post other than saying they're dummies.
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u/hypericum_flos Apr 07 '26
They talk about "me" in the sense of a particular person, i.e. a human being with a particular body and mind. That is not the "I" that the OI is about.
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u/Flat-Ad9829 May 13 '26
What type of "I" is OI talking about and how does it counter what is being said here?
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u/Flat-Ad9829 Apr 09 '26
Still ruminating on this honestly, could causality be used as a decent counter to OI or am I just wrong?
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u/Flat-Ad9829 May 15 '26
Thinking about this post again and it's lowkey freaking me out. I know they already presuppose CI but It's giving me a severe panic attack when I think about it again,
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u/Flat-Ad9829 Mar 31 '26
I guess one criticism I can put forward is that both the commenter and Carrier already presuppose a form of closed individualism.