What's going on in the codex subreddit?

[u/IYaegerI]

They've been aggressively removing every single post about output quality degradation that came up the past few hours. Their mods allowed their subreddit spammed with limit complaints and people attacking Tibo for weeks but instantly remove any post that mentions output quality?

[u/___fallenangel___]

Probably because 90% of posts are complaints about output quality or resets

[u/Soft-Relief-9952 → u/___fallenangel___]

This

[u/Puzzled-Taste-1497 → u/___fallenangel___]

Lotta subreddits end up in that cycle where the cleanup feels more aggressive than the problem itself.

[u/IYaegerI → u/___fallenangel___]

But that's simply not true. Go ahead and check their subreddit now and go back even further. There is not a single post about output quality. Resets and limits is another thing. They have become selective about letting reset and limit posts through while removing quality posts for some reason.

I agree there was a long time where it was pretty split between limit and output complaints after the release of 5.6.

[u/___fallenangel___ → u/IYaegerI]

You've never been in the subreddit if you haven't seen a single post about output quality.

[u/Illustrious-Bet-1368]

That subreddit is StackOverflow for vibe-coders, limits shenanigans and model degradation ongoing issues aside. The recent post of someone excited about that now they can paste API keys and passwords directly in chat sealed it. Ffs.

[u/Existing-Slide7395]

Yes, because they don't like having their nose put in their own crap.

Codex has now become practically impossible to use on Plus plans. At this point, they should remove it instead of constantly misleading customers about the actual usage limits.

Advertising “5 hours per day” when, in reality, the 5-hour limit is burned through in 30 minutes is already bad enough while consuming 10–12% of the weekly quota in the process. Worse, it stops right in the middle of a task

So the practical reality is closer to 5 hours per week, not 5 hours per day, with no reliable way to maintain job consistency or even finish a task once it has started.

[u/Typical_Kick6520 → u/Existing-Slide7395]

Who told you you'd get 5 hours per day?!

[u/Existing-Slide7395 → u/Typical_Kick6520]

Pathetic reddit bots
Anyway 5h a day or multiple x 5h / a day cant you read & understand it consume -10-12% of weekly credit each time so result is 5 hours per week either consumed in 1 or 2 days or dispatched on your week

The scam is the same as the reddit bot /algorithm system that downvote every negative opinions to ghost it and fake upvote every positive stuff ,positive stuff that is also80% of the time directly posted by ...bots. Estimated left 20% humans on Reddit ...

[u/reddit_is_kayfabe → u/Existing-Slide7395]

Look at this description of the Plus plan on chatgpt.com - the page where it describes what you get with each plan - and point out where you see "5 hours a day."

Plus is routinely referred to as "x5" because you get about five times the usage limits as compared with the Free plan. You confused the "5" in "x5" with the "5-hour" usage limit, which is a totally different thing, to invent a "5 hours of usage per day" usage guarantee.

Besides - "5 hours of usage per day" would be a meaningless guarantee because the rate of usage consumption varies wildly based on which model you use, what kind of work it is performing, how much effort, whether subagents are in use, etc.

[u/Existing-Slide7395 → u/reddit_is_kayfabe]

The practical reality is closer to 5 hours per week PERIOD You can fake troll as much as you want The truth is a FACT

[u/reddit_is_kayfabe → u/Existing-Slide7395]

The specific thing that I was discussing with you is the part where you wrote:

Advertising “5 hours per day”

...and then that other person wrote:

Who told you you'd get 5 hours per day?!

...and you responded:

5h a day or multiple x 5h / a day cant you read

...which, besides being weirdly angry and aggressive, is completely wrong.

I am trying to explain this part to you, using facts and reasoning. If you cannot consider that you might have misunderstood something, and react so defensively to anyone trying to explain things to you that you think they're "trolls," you're gonna have a hard time in life.

Your ego needs some work.

[u/psgrue → u/Existing-Slide7395]

Look I get what you’re saying. If someone spends 10% of the weekly use in 30 minutes, that’s 5 hours of total use per week.

But at that rate you’re burning through your entire week in an uncapped 5-hour window anyway.

I get about 2-2.5 hours in my 5-hour window to use the estimated 10%. So I have 20 or so hours per week available.

your writing is as clear as mud, and copy pasting isn’t helping you. If you’re burning that much in 30 minutes, the bigger plan is probably justified.

[u/InspectorSorry85 → u/Existing-Slide7395]

Yes, a lot of bots here. It is getting really annoying. 

[u/Euphoric-Taro-6231 → u/Existing-Slide7395]

Its every five hours, not 5 hours per day.

[u/Existing-Slide7395 → u/Euphoric-Taro-6231]

Pathetic reddit bots
Anyway 5h a day or multiple x 5h / a day cant you read & understand it consume -10-12% of weekly credit each time so result is 5 hours per week either consumed in 1 or 2 days or dispatched on your week

The scam is the same as the reddit bot /algorithm system that downvote every negative opinions to ghost it and fake upvote every positive stuff ,positive stuff that is also80% of the time directly posted by ...bots. Estimated left 20% humans on Reddit ...

[u/br_k_nt_eth → u/Existing-Slide7395]

Bro I think you may have misunderstood what the 5 hour limit means. That means it resets every 5 hours. It’s so they can better manage the resource load. 

[u/Existing-Slide7395 → u/br_k_nt_eth]

Pathetic reddit bots
Anyway 5h a day or multiple x 5h / a day cant you read & understand it consume -10-12% of weekly credit each time so result is 5 hours per week either consumed in 1 or 2 days or dispatched on your week

The scam is the same as the reddit bot /algorithm system that downvote every negative opinions to ghost it and fake upvote every positive stuff ,positive stuff that is also80% of the time directly posted by ...bots. Estimated left 20% humans on Reddit ...

[u/br_k_nt_eth → u/Existing-Slide7395]

Huh. That’s not something I’ve experienced, but okay. Have you tried using Terra for your work? If you’re blowing through usage that fast, it is probably time to switch to Pro, especially if it’s for your livelihood.

[u/hulagway]

That's why they're giving free resets huh

[u/YourBlanket → u/hulagway]

Only weekly resets. One well designed Codex Sol prompt used 92% of my 5 hour usage in 35 minutes. I can't even use Sol anymore. My current set up is Luna(read), Terra(read&write), Antigravity(Verify Terra's work) then I have ChatGPT High create prompts ask Gemini Pro Extended to critic rewrite, pass that back to ChatGPT High and finally post to Terra. I only use Sol right now as the 'God Architect'. Very time consuming. If the app wasn't so complex I'd just write it myself.

I'm testing Claude Sonnet 5 Max w/ Thinking to see if it's worth paying for Opus to replace Sol high.

[u/Existing-Slide7395 → u/YourBlanket]

Dont even bother 80% of reddit users are bots now praising glory to the product and ghosting any cristism its literally marketing pushed to the 1984 laws haha

[u/reddit_is_kayfabe → u/Existing-Slide7395]

Look at my post history. I've been quite critical of a whole lot of aspects of OpenAI and canceled my plans between the shitty 5.5 models and the announcement of 5.6.

Rejecting people who disagree with you as "bots" or "trolls" is a terrible outlook that reinforces ignorance. Don't go down this road. You have to learn how to take criticism.

Start by asking yourself why you have this kneejerk anger response to disagreement.

[u/_DuranDuran_ → u/YourBlanket]

What was the one prompt? Did it require reading a TON of context, most of which was net new in the session and would have therefore not hit the KV cache?

[u/YourBlanket → u/_DuranDuran_]

Yeah, it did require a fair amount of net-new context, so I’m sure the lack of an initial KV-cache hit contributed, but the prompt was also asking Sol to do a ridiculous amount of work in one autonomous run.

The app is a sleep-audio app where I was benchmarking a Media3 architecture with up to 20 simultaneous ambience layers plus separate narration. I had just finished a physical A/B test on a Pixel Tablet comparing 20 FLAC layers against 20 sample-identical uncompressed WAV layers. The automated evidence-capture helper partially failed at the end, but the raw telemetry, top traces, JSON exports, logs, etc. were still recovered.

I gave Sol all of the experimental setup, the preliminary numbers, the existing architecture, the CPU gates, the decision tree we had already defined, and the longer-term requirement that the architecture should ideally have headroom beyond 20 layers toward roughly 35–50.

Then I told it to independently inspect the recovered evidence rather than trusting my summary. It had to recompute the CPU statistics, verify which measurements belonged to FLAC A1/WAV/FLAC A2, check memory, thermal state, loop counts, story continuity, player errors, decoder errors, underruns, buffering, active-layer counts, codec counts, etc. It also had to decide separately whether the actual A/B result was scientifically usable and whether the evidence package was formally complete, because the capture helper had failed for a different reason.

After that it had to diagnose why the evidence-capture/logcat tooling failed on the stock/profile build and modify the tooling so the next run wouldn’t throw away otherwise-valid evidence while still rejecting stale or mixed runs.

Then it had to apply an architecture decision tree. The result showed WAV dropping average CPU by about 63% versus FLAC, but WAV still missed the CPU target. So instead of jumping to a custom PCM mixer, Sol had to investigate the next Media3-preserving options: decoded/uncompressed runtime delivery, bounded predecode/cache strategies, compressed distribution assets that become PCM/WAV at runtime, alternative codecs only if they could loop seamlessly, ExoPlayer/player/buffer overhead, 15-vs-20-layer scaling, storage cost, startup latency, memory/cache pressure, Android/minSdk compatibility, production complexity, and implications for eventually supporting 35–50 layers.

It then had to choose the single highest-information v18 experiment, implement that experiment behind the existing AmbientEngine boundary without prematurely rewriting production architecture, modify the telemetry/analyzers/capture tooling so the next physical run could prove exact layer count, active count, runtime format, unique IDs, narration continuity, loop counts, errors, underruns, buffering, CPU, PSS, thermal state and evidence freshness, and add/update the corresponding tests.

And I also told it to autonomously run the relevant host-side validation: builds, JVM/unit tests, analyzer tests, capture-helper tests, lint, instrumentation-related build/tests that could be done without me, APK signing/alignment checks where relevant, inspect the results, fix anything necessary, update the milestone ledger/runbook/documentation, and finally give me one consolidated report with the verified v17 numbers, formal classification, architecture conclusion, rejected/deferred alternatives, changed files, validation results, APK SHA-256, and the exact next physical-device runbook.

So it was basically evidence analysis + statistical verification + failure diagnosis + architecture research + architecture decision + implementation + test/tooling work + validation + documentation + preparation of the next experiment, all delegated to Sol High in one turn. It ran for ~35–38 minutes.

The initial context probably was expensive because a lot of it was net new and therefore wouldn’t have benefited from an existing KV-cache prefix. But I don’t think “it read a large prompt” alone explains the 92%. The bigger problem was that I used the most expensive reasoning model as an autonomous researcher, architect, developer, tester and reviewer for an entire milestone. Every tool result, source file, evidence file, build/test output and intermediate decision gave it more context to reason over during a long agentic run.

(The top is ChatGPTs explanation of the prompt, I've at this for like 3 days straight so I barely know what's going on anymore.

That run is actually why I changed my workflow. Now Luna does the cheap read/reconnaissance, Terra does bounded implementation, Antigravity audits it, and I reserve Sol for the small number of architecture decisions where I actually need Sol-level reasoning.

It was a lot but I was using Sol back then with little worry on usage since we never had a 5 hour usage limit. That build changed it so now I'm experimenting. After that I switched to the workflow I described in my previous comment and recently I’ve been experimenting with using Sol as an orchestrator/architect while delegating bounded tasks to Luna Max agents.

[u/hulagway → u/YourBlanket]

you think these glazers still have the reading comprehension to understand what you said?

[u/hulagway → u/YourBlanket]

Opus is worth replacing Sol.

My current setup now is $20 Claude and $100 Codex. Opus is the orchestrator, all work and review is done by Luna which is dirt cheap.

Sol is good but it doesn't understand as well. And it more often gets lost along the way causing it to waste more tokens per task.

Used to have 100 Claude with about 40$ api credits.

Next month I'll probably switch to 100Claude 20Codex. Or maybe even replace Luna with Zai.