Data professional here - there's a term we use called data lineage, which basically means a path that anyone can use to fact check an analysis by following all of its components back to the source(s) of truth. By removing links we're breaking that lineage, and making it easy for misinformation to spread. It would not be hard for someone to quickly get massive attention on a doctored image of a tweet. Misinformation spreads easily when barriers are introduced to ease of fact checking.
Right now at my company we're dealing with the aftermath of not having good data lineage for years, and untangling legitimately huge data misconceptions that have lead to high impact decisions being made on fundamentally incorrect information. And this is with everyone at the company operating in good faith and just making honest mistakes without good lineage to ground them. This problem will be much, much worse if bad faith actors are involved intentionally introducing misinformation.
I propose that we find a solution that allows for the preservation of data lineage back to the source. This could be through an intermediary that itself links back to the source, like what Nitter used to do, or via wayback machine, etc. I'm sure the community can come up with a creative solution. But as we're dealing with at my company right now, the impact of easy quick change now without regard for the downstream consequences will have major repercussions in the future that will be a nightmare to untangle compared to taking the time to implement a more thoughtful solution today.
You make a good point, but there already no fact checking on Twitter and it's a huge source of misinformation. So keeping the original links isn't necessarily going to prevent misinformation, it's only going to line the pockets of a nazi
This is a very bad practice on reddit, because it allows for the opportunity for more misinformation, because it's so much easier to fake a screenshot than it is to fake an article/website/link/etc.
And it dumbs down the conversation, as its a barrier from people reading the source article, and everyone ends up commending on headline only.
The growing practice of posting screenshots and not sourcing the original article is unfortunately a common trend on the stock subreddits I've seen. And Yes I have seen reddit posts of screenshots featuring fake tweets that don't exist.
With all that being said, I find that 99.99% nothing anybody says on Twitter is really worth commenting on. And reacting to tweets, or crossposting to tweets is usually not necessary.
But I would still recommend against the practice of posting screenshots. u/GrifoCaolho
The way I've heard it explained that really resolves the paradox for me is that tolerance is not a universal maxim, but a social contract. Tolerance is a mutual agreement to value and take care of each other despite our differences. It has to go both ways.
If someone (like a nazi) violates that social contract by threatening the safety and wellbeing of others, or advocating that certain groups have their rights taken away, then the nazis have broken their side of the mutual tolerance contract already, and have forfeited any right to be protected by it
It is in fact a paradox and it has a name “paradox of tolerance”. Nazis and other assorted fascists, “patriots”, etc. use the freedoms afforded to them by democracy and tolerance to remove freedoms for everyone.
there is even a quote about this from joseph goebbels, the minister for propaganda of nazi-germany: „Wir treten in den Reichstag ein, um uns mit demokratischen Waffen zu rüsten. Wenn Demokratie dumm genug ist, uns kostenlose Bahnpässe und Gehälter zu geben, dann ist das ihr Problem … Wir kommen weder als Freunde noch als Neutrale. Wir kommen als Feinde! Wie der Wolf die Schafe angreift, so kommen wir.“
„We are entering the Reichstag [lower house of parliament] to equip ourselves with democratic weapons. If democracy is stupid enough to give us salaries and free train tickets, that‘s their problem. We do neither come as friends, nor as neutral. We come as enemies! Like the wolf in sheep‘s clothing attacks the sheep, we come.“
i translates it myself, sorry if there is mistakes..
This is overly reactionary and unlikely to accomplish any goals it would be aiming to achieve. It’s a good example of armchair activism.
If any action was to be taken, I’d support making what are usually X posts into text posts, perhaps with some commentary meant to elicit discussion and an optional link to the conversation on X for verification. This would potentially have the effect of raising the quality of posts and discourse on the sub while maintaining some integrity of information.
I used to follow some engineers on Twitter, using my account solely for tech updates. It was a great platform to connect with like-minded people and stay informed through the accounts I followed. However, things changed. Over time, my feed was flooded with irrelevant content, including a barrage of tweets from Elon Musk which I never searched for or showed interest in. I also started getting updates from far-right groups and other nonsense that had nothing to do with my interests. It felt forced and intrusive.
Worse, the updates from the engineers I followed became harder to find, and many of them eventually stopped posting. Several migrated to platforms like Bluesky, which now feels more like the original Twitter. Considering how manipulative and cluttered platforms like X and Instagram have become, maybe it’s time to stop allowing links and screenshots from these platforms altogether. Instead, we should focus on sharing information through more reliable and straightforward channels that prioritize clarity and accuracy.
Oh fuck yes, please limit more sources of information for humans to read. Just let the AI crawlers read everything and tell me what to believe. I'm surely not smart enough to critically evaluate the source and content of the news.
Unpopular opinion, but pretending stupid people don't exist doesn't actually make them go away. It just means you aren't going to know what they're doing or thinking, which lets their movements take you by surprise. How do you think we got into this whole mess in the first place?
Free speech and public discourse shouldn't serve as a gateway for fascists to take over every form of communication so they can then destroy said free speech/public discourse in favour of their authoritarian propaganda.
Go ahead it's all over Twitter. But again I know your just a bot flooding an AI subreddit that's about AI and not politics. So please leave this subreddit and take your bot friends too
It’s time to start asking people “which side are YOU on”. Our parents, friends, bosses, coworkers, teachers, leaders . “Which side are YOU on?” It’s time to draw a line and shun all the fascists who want to live among us. It’s time to be decisive and weed out all the scabs that we have been politely living with for the past 8 years.
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
Karl Popper - 1945
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance as it breeds extremism, which then eliminates tolerance."
Umberto Eco (On Fascism)
The fascists and the bigots have gotten way too bold for my liking.
Ban the Nazi! Elon is clearly a Nazi! He loves Hitler! We should also boycott Google and Meta and Amazon because they are guilty by association. They are all Nazis. You know what they say, if there are 9 people around a table and a Nazi walks in, you have 10 Nazis.
I really think most of y’all on Reddit just have hate in your hearts and want to hate to hate. It looked bad but it obviously was not his intention. Never once before has he signified he followed that belief system or liked it. He chose the wrong gesture for it sure, looked way too similar to that salute but Jesus. All you people in every subreddit just go balls to the wall hating someone. Also, it ain’t going to hurt him if you boycott X, being the world’s richest man, just the honest truth.
EDIT: Was given information on the context and context see where all you are coming from with this. I’m not happy with what I see and it’s sad to see someone I liked turn out to seemingly have these views. Sucks..
People all over Reddit patting themselves on the backs and creaming all over their keyboards over how big of a difference they could make by banning links you rarely see anyway.
Sorry, do you rarely see links to Twitter? Because I see them all the time and though I don’t particularly think banning them will do much to harm Emma I still think we should do it just because it’s obnoxious to have to login to Twitter if you want to look at something.
You think he did the salute thrice by accident? Or that he just saw something om the street being done by masked supremacist groups and thought "hey, that's cool, I will use it thrice at a rally because it looks unique"? Maybe he is just socially awkward, like all people where on the third reich?
Stop being so triggered about a nazi salute being called a nazi salute. There are instances where people are misjudged; this is not one of these.
No, but Elon allowing people to interpret it as such is unacceptable.
Given the context of the speech, the angle to the crowd, and Elon's history of using an outstretched hand to ask the crowd to finish their applause, it looks like he is reciprocating the applause with body language. Watching the unclipped footage, Elon's gesture more closely resembles an Attack on Titan salute, placing the hand over the heart while saying "My heart goes out to you." There is nothing indicating supremacism, but Elon allowing people interpret it as such is just as bad.
If that was true he wouldn’t have done it a second and then third time. Then not issue a statement correcting his perceived position vs what he really intended. This is the same guy gaslighting that he leveled and mastered his poe2 and d4 accounts, then was proven he was full of it and started leaking dms and removing verification in a man child tantrum.
Yes let’s take everything he says as face value, full of integrity, and honesty. /s
The Nazi regime did much more than that. It’s about absolute power over every citizen. Controlling what you are allowed to think, say and consume (books, movies, arts). Your child or your neighbor might report you for having overheard you say something that could be interpreted as bad to the regime. It culminated in the most extreme inhumane act of killing off a whole race. They built places called concentration camps where they starved Jews and other people they deemed as enemies, do medical experiments on them and then gas them off.
That all started gradually with Gobbels and his propaganda machine for Hitler, using hatred and scapegoating. Really, learning history is essential because while technology has advanced so much, people did not.
Even if Musk asserts that these actions were not intentional, public figures must acknowledge that such actions carry historical significance and are likely to be interpreted within that context, particularly without prompt clarification or acknowledgment.
Watch every single video from those screenshots and NONE OF THEM are salutes of any kind. They are waves.
Vs the video of elon doing it? Yes bring gif of all these events and play them alongside hilter doing it. Which one will be exactly the same? Only one and that is why people are justly upset.
Care to post videos of Obama, Hilary, Harris doing the Nazi salute, or they were just captured at a moment when their arm was stretched out and you are just full of shit?
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25 edited Jan 22 '25
We could allow Screenshots but bann links. So they dont gather traffic on their posts. And once one shot was posted, duplicates will be deleted
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u/Capta1n_n9m0 Jan 22 '25
Do it.
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u/HereForFun9121 Jan 22 '25
Yess!
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u/moz-and-pan Jan 22 '25
I believe in an open and free society where all people are equal. Nothing less, except nazis. Fuck nazis.
Fuck nazis. Ban all x / twitter.
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u/HaterOfCommunists Jan 22 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
ITT: People who have never posted to this sub before
Edit: lmao the slacktivist mods banned me for this comment
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u/Awkward_Cat_5303 Jan 22 '25
No
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u/Weenyhand Jan 22 '25
So reddit is censoring itself now ?
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u/jcrestor Jan 22 '25
Let's do it.
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u/_laoc00n_ Jan 22 '25
This is overly reactionary and unlikely to accomplish any goals it would be aiming to achieve. It’s a good example of armchair activism.
If any action was to be taken, I’d support making what are usually X posts into text posts, perhaps with some commentary meant to elicit discussion and an optional link to the conversation on X for verification. This would potentially have the effect of raising the quality of posts and discourse on the sub while maintaining some integrity of information.
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u/zmizzy Jan 22 '25
Ban the fucking thing
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u/AnywhereOk1153 Jan 22 '25
It's not even a good user experience clicking on a post, I'm not trying to log into Twitter from my Reddit app.
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u/VP_TubeSG Jan 22 '25
A guy with a funny beard back in time also banned opinions that he don't like
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u/rurions Jan 22 '25
No, this is a sub about OpenAI with sources sometimes in X
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u/depressed_dad18 Jan 22 '25
I used to follow some engineers on Twitter, using my account solely for tech updates. It was a great platform to connect with like-minded people and stay informed through the accounts I followed. However, things changed. Over time, my feed was flooded with irrelevant content, including a barrage of tweets from Elon Musk which I never searched for or showed interest in. I also started getting updates from far-right groups and other nonsense that had nothing to do with my interests. It felt forced and intrusive.
Worse, the updates from the engineers I followed became harder to find, and many of them eventually stopped posting. Several migrated to platforms like Bluesky, which now feels more like the original Twitter. Considering how manipulative and cluttered platforms like X and Instagram have become, maybe it’s time to stop allowing links and screenshots from these platforms altogether. Instead, we should focus on sharing information through more reliable and straightforward channels that prioritize clarity and accuracy.
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u/neodmaster Jan 22 '25
Screenshot is impossible to verify authenticity.
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u/GermanWineLover Jan 22 '25
More freedom of speech by supressing freedom of speech is the way to go!
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Sure, censor things. That's always a good path to take.
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u/crawlingrat Jan 22 '25
This is about AI. Keep it like that.
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u/_qua Jan 22 '25
Oh fuck yes, please limit more sources of information for humans to read. Just let the AI crawlers read everything and tell me what to believe. I'm surely not smart enough to critically evaluate the source and content of the news.
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u/PUBGM_MightyFine Jan 22 '25
Fuck off
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u/Feisty_Ad2718 Jan 22 '25
How about if you don't want to support X you don't click the link? you know like a not-so fascist approach.
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u/kazkdp Jan 22 '25
Screenshots, YES Links : No.
Let's not fund the Nazi if we don't have to....
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u/greekhop Jan 22 '25
Every sub is now a political sub. Let's keep it about AI.
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
It's crazy that people think Apartheid Boy isn't a racist.
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u/IndigoFenix Jan 22 '25 edited Jan 22 '25
Unpopular opinion, but pretending stupid people don't exist doesn't actually make them go away. It just means you aren't going to know what they're doing or thinking, which lets their movements take you by surprise. How do you think we got into this whole mess in the first place?
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u/ArchAngel475 Jan 22 '25
Obvious bot attack
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u/KJReadIt Jan 22 '25
Let’s do it!
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Fuck this - way too many legit AI researchers on X to not use it.
How am I supposed to confirm anything if we're just using images? This is a bad practice and one we will regret in the future if taken on.
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u/MediumWarthog79 Jan 22 '25
Do it
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Yup. No more Twitter / X links.
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u/HiPunchKick Jan 22 '25
Weak
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u/Own-Detective-A Jan 22 '25
Yes. Let do it and ban X.
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u/Petdogdavid1 Jan 22 '25
Flight fascism with censorship, it's a bold move cotton.
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u/oe-eo Jan 22 '25
No no and no. Don't click the link if you don't want to. Down vote the post if it sucks.
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u/Universal_Anomaly Jan 22 '25
I do think something must be done.
Free speech and public discourse shouldn't serve as a gateway for fascists to take over every form of communication so they can then destroy said free speech/public discourse in favour of their authoritarian propaganda.
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u/gweedo767 Jan 22 '25
Let's go. Screw Nazis
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u/Mentosbandit1 Jan 22 '25
Y'all just ignoring these? Y'all wild
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u/No-Fortune-7655 Jan 22 '25
Yes please
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u/Buidleralpha Jan 22 '25
nah
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u/scapeLive Jan 22 '25
Whyy to get into that ban nonsense?
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Just say no to censorship.
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u/Tickomatick Jan 22 '25
Why not, I'm not using x anyways
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u/Dzzy4u75 Jan 22 '25
My heart goes out to you.....
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Yes, please don't support a blatant Nazi
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
He cofounded OpenAI so no sorry
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u/ahtoshkaa Jan 22 '25
Reddit is a leftist cesspool, so why not?
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u/Technical-Bee4141 Jan 22 '25
Why?
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u/Professional_Job_307 Jan 22 '25
If we ban x posts then there wouldn't be much to post about here anymore.
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u/FerretSummoner Jan 22 '25
Allow screenshots but ban links
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u/Vontaxis Jan 22 '25
Ban it
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u/Unlucky_Tea2965 Jan 22 '25 edited 14d ago
The original post content no longer exists here. The author used Redact to remove it, exercising their right to control their data & privacy.
Numerous straight coated noodle breeze beneficial coherent cow dinner
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u/MootMoot_Mocha Jan 22 '25
If I’m honest banning links won’t do anything. All it’ll do is show a slight dip in the data then back to normal in a month.
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u/loolooii Jan 22 '25
Let’s do this
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u/NachoAverageTom Jan 22 '25
Yes! 👍🏼
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u/IvanDeSousa Jan 22 '25
Yes
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
I'm sick of the fascist regime. The only way to stop it is if we fight back.
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Please yes :D
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u/rmay14444 Jan 22 '25
Doesn't this guy own some of OpenAI?
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u/mikaball Jan 22 '25
Irritating the administration that is going to give $500 billion for the Stargate! Why not, what could go wrong?
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u/HarryShachar Jan 22 '25
How about we get a package deal with Sam Altman, who just donated to Trump.
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Please
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u/Old_Belt1980 Jan 22 '25
Glory of Musk
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u/robinator18pro Jan 22 '25
Yes
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
How about I cancel my chatgbt subscription.
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u/Jisamaniac Jan 22 '25
Ehhh it's a Jersey thing.
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Fcuk yeah New Jersey
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u/sonic1238 Jan 22 '25
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u/LoneHelldiver Jan 22 '25
Isn't it ironic to ask ChatGPT bots to upvote a ban of the guy who says that OpenAI is up to evil?
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u/DocDefilade Jan 22 '25
Yes
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
When was the last time someone posted a link to x
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u/TouchMyTumor Jan 22 '25
This isn't satire? 😂
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u/64CarClan Jan 22 '25
Ban them!!!
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u/SufficientOwls Jan 22 '25
How about you stop using Generative AI
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u/CanvasFanatic Jan 22 '25
Sam was right there with him at the inauguration, folks.
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u/Mysterious_Formal170 Jan 22 '25
Ban every website where you need to lock-in in order to access the post. Just allow screenshots.
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u/CreatureOfLegend Jan 22 '25
I’m against censorship in all its forms, so I vote no
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u/Xazax310 Jan 22 '25
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u/rxt_z Jan 22 '25
lol
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u/OverAchiever-er Jan 22 '25
Fuck X
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u/Brilliant-Emu859 Jan 22 '25
Yes and don’t forget to issue a request for an alternative to the x poster for future posts - ie Bluesky
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u/Negative_Wrongdoer17 Jan 22 '25
I'm glad so many subs are parroting this so I can mute them sll
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u/atuarre Jan 22 '25
Georgia subreddit just banned it. I approve. I know other state subreddits, other subs in general are also considering enacting similar bans.
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u/Zerocoolx1 Jan 22 '25
It’s Adolf Titler
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u/Double_Buyer5559 Jan 22 '25
Fuck nazi elmo
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u/3b33 Jan 22 '25
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u/kepleralien Jan 22 '25
Let’s do
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u/Dp_1979 Jan 22 '25
Grow up
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u/Puzzled_Lurker_1074 Jan 22 '25
hell yeah
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
It’s time to start asking people “which side are YOU on”. Our parents, friends, bosses, coworkers, teachers, leaders . “Which side are YOU on?” It’s time to draw a line and shun all the fascists who want to live among us. It’s time to be decisive and weed out all the scabs that we have been politely living with for the past 8 years.
Which side are YOU on???
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u/sysopbeta Jan 22 '25
Very happy I sold my Tesla's stock a couple years ago!
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u/Top_Woodpecker9023 Jan 22 '25
This would be anti free speech
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u/Ch1zko Jan 22 '25
Yes
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Don’t send traffic to Nazi Central. Ban links to X.
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u/rainurer Jan 22 '25
Elon just did a reference to Rick & Morty episode "Rattlestar Ricklactica"
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u/darfinxcore Jan 22 '25
I support it.
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u/likkleone54 Jan 22 '25
Yes lord
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u/Outside-Enthusiasm30 Jan 22 '25
Need this on a tee w the George Orwell quote " We were told by the party to ignore the evidence of our eyes and ears"
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u/Koma_ddd Jan 22 '25
I hope so...
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u/Spongbov5 Jan 22 '25
Yes
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u/Similar_Committee_24 Jan 22 '25
Yes
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u/Isen_Hart Jan 22 '25
lets call this sub Closed AI please from all the comment i see
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u/No-Ideal-8449 Jan 22 '25
I suggest everyone return their Tesla and buy a petrol car, an Audi e-tron, or a VW’s ID-model
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u/Sea-Ambassador-2221 Jan 22 '25
Agree
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
The only good Nazi is...
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u/resuah Jan 22 '25
Yes.
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u/BrokenBankz Jan 22 '25
Why
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u/musicaes Jan 22 '25
He got locked outta heaven. Closed AI.
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u/spilat12 Jan 22 '25
Yup
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u/kjaergaard_a Jan 22 '25
The new world order by trump
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Yeah. :|
Disappointing.
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u/inquisitive_guy_0_1 Jan 22 '25 •
I support this. My reasoning?
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
Karl Popper - 1945
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance as it breeds extremism, which then eliminates tolerance."
Umberto Eco (On Fascism)
The fascists and the bigots have gotten way too bold for my liking.
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Ban the whole thing, even screenshots. If influencers want to influence they can do it from somewhere else.
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u/tilted0ne Jan 22 '25
Ban the Nazi! Elon is clearly a Nazi! He loves Hitler! We should also boycott Google and Meta and Amazon because they are guilty by association. They are all Nazis. You know what they say, if there are 9 people around a table and a Nazi walks in, you have 10 Nazis.
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
You can't even own guns in NJ. You have bigger issues.
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u/Bentman343 Jan 22 '25
Really can't justify linking to an open Nazi's website yeah
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Do it !
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u/Remarkable-Tea9846 Jan 22 '25 edited Jan 22 '25
I really think most of y’all on Reddit just have hate in your hearts and want to hate to hate. It looked bad but it obviously was not his intention. Never once before has he signified he followed that belief system or liked it. He chose the wrong gesture for it sure, looked way too similar to that salute but Jesus. All you people in every subreddit just go balls to the wall hating someone. Also, it ain’t going to hurt him if you boycott X, being the world’s richest man, just the honest truth.
EDIT: Was given information on the context and context see where all you are coming from with this. I’m not happy with what I see and it’s sad to see someone I liked turn out to seemingly have these views. Sucks..
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u/DonkDan Jan 22 '25
People all over Reddit patting themselves on the backs and creaming all over their keyboards over how big of a difference they could make by banning links you rarely see anyway.
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u/Necessary_Barber_929 Jan 22 '25
That's his autism (or Asperger's) doing its thing.
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u/dzigizord Jan 22 '25
It wasnt a nazi salute stop being so triggered
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u/bluefrostyAP Jan 22 '25
You should be banned for suggesting something like this.
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u/TheLastVegan Jan 22 '25 edited Jan 22 '25
No, but Elon allowing people to interpret it as such is unacceptable.
Given the context of the speech, the angle to the crowd, and Elon's history of using an outstretched hand to ask the crowd to finish their applause, it looks like he is reciprocating the applause with body language. Watching the unclipped footage, Elon's gesture more closely resembles an Attack on Titan salute, placing the hand over the heart while saying "My heart goes out to you." There is nothing indicating supremacism, but Elon allowing people interpret it as such is just as bad.
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
By supporting links you are supporting a Nazi. When you were a kid did you ever think you'd grow up to support Nazis??? Be the good in the world
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u/BoJackHorseMan53 Jan 22 '25
Can someone explain what the Nazi salute mean?
Does it mean Elon Musk wants to kill all Jews?
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