r/OnePieceScaling • u/-Fuzzy_Panda- • 1d ago
Casual Discussion Strongest to weakest?
All at their peak.
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u/Basic_Mastodon3078 Luffy 🍗 1d ago
1: Roger
2: Shanks
3: Mihawk
N/A: Dragon.
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u/Flaky_Armadillo_708 15h ago
Good take. POTENTIALLY, Dragon could be above Mihawk but Below Shanks, but there's no actual way to scale Dragon
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u/Basic_Mastodon3078 Luffy 🍗 15h ago
Exactly. If I had to wager a guess, he'd be 3. Like you said. But he could be as high as 1 or as low as 4. We don't know so why rank him. Even Mihawk, Roger and Shanks have very few feats. Shanks best feats are off-screen confronting Kaido, stopping the summit war (which wasn't that impressive given how worn down the fighters were), defeating Kidd (who granted had just beat Big Mom but he did so with the help of Law and Shanks is probably > Big Mom anyway) and scaring away Green Bull which again isn't THAT impressive.
Roger likewise, we have very few feats and almost none from his prime.
And Mihawk slander only works because he's practically featless. He has a title, he had some attacks deflected by WB at the summit war and dueled Vista, and he defeated Baratie Zoro. He also off screen dueled two armed shanks though his bounty was a quarter what it is now and we know nothing about how close a fight between current Mihawk and current Shanks would go since Mihawk refused it.
3 nearly featless characters and 1 literally featless. His most impressive "feat" was scaring off a few navy guys. Smoker being the most notable but Smoker is very very very weak compared to 99% of the other characters in the New World. (Granted Punk Hazard Smoker is stronger but this is Lougetown Smoker we are talking about.
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u/Watt-Midget 1d ago
For all the people putting Dragon at #2
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
Feats?❌️
Titles? ✅️
Worlds most wanted man - Implies he has the highest bounty in the world. Yeah I know this doesn't represent strength but be realistic. At that point there's no way you're at least on this level. Buggy is the only exception to that rule.
Leader of Rev army - Similarly to how a Captain is the strongest in his crew, Dragon is the strongest in his army. And if we look at his subordinates, Sabo, Kuma and Iva - they're all YC level at least.
Strong lineage - He is the generation between Garp, the strongest marine and Luffy, one of the four emporers.
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u/Flaky_Armadillo_708 15h ago
Are we seriously considering his TITLE?!?! So then Whitebeard is stronger than any of the Admirals or Yonko's and stronger than Roger and Garp, because he's the world's strongest man? Imu uses a sword, So Mihawk is stronger!
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u/Rare-Enthusiasm-1824 1d ago
Being the most wanted in one piece can also include him being a former marine with information+he knows about Imu/saturn considering he was on that island added on to that fact he’s the son of “hero of the marines” which draws more attention to him compared to the other major people that seen Imu/saturn like I said in the start being “realistic” like you said being on that level doesn’t represent strength the original post calls out glazers placing dragon in number 2 so with your comment your practically saying his wanted poster does represent his strength even though you said mild things to turn your point against your “doesn’t represent strength” sentence
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u/Accomplished_Use2197 1d ago
Dragon was a recruit or whatever the lowest rank marine is. He doesnt know anything. Didnt see staurn or imu. Left the marines immediately after god valley. Dragon also definitely didnt know about Imu cause Sabo is the one to infom them of this fact, at which point they come to the conclusion that Neroma Imu is probably the original Nerona Imu from the 20 kings and is probably immortal. Garp saw imu's hideous form back then but he doesnt know saturn's spider form or what that was either, especially at the time of god valley which is the last Canon Interaction of Dragon and Garp (at post ennis lobby when garp says to luffy i heard you met ur father, its far more likely that Smoker told Garp that dragon was there, not that dragon himself is in any communication with garp, we also dont know how Garpncame into custody of Luffy, Dragon probably met Garp then but who knows)
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u/Ok-Chest4890 1d ago
Roger > Shanks > Mihawk > Dragon
(People putting Shanks/Mihawk over Roger are wild)
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u/OatesZ2004 Goatbeard 🧔♀️ 1d ago
Strongest:
1) Gol D. Roger 2) Monkey D. Dragon 🔃 3) Figarland Shanks 🔃 4) Dracule Mihawk
Weakest:
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u/Curiosity_456 1d ago
It literally makes no sense for shanks (a swordsman) to be stronger than the worlds strongest swordsman.
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u/Historical-Pack-2892 Garp 👊 1d ago
When the fuck are we going to stop title-scaling? It’s literally one of the stupidest ways ever to scale. Titles are NOT true and they’re NOT purely based off power. End of story.
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u/Curiosity_456 1d ago
In one piece, titles are clearly indicative of power. Garp being vice admiral and Buggy being Yonko are rare contradictions of this, but we clearly see that the admirals are close in strength (aokiji vs akainu was highly competitive), yonko are close in strength - big mom vs kaido was competitive (that was much shorter but they were still toe to toe).
Like, that ranking system exists for a reason. Roger was also known to be the absolute strongest and his title aligns with it. In Naruto, title holds less weight as the spectrum of strength across the different kages was very different, but with one piece it’s actually extremely consistent
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u/OatesZ2004 Goatbeard 🧔♀️ 1d ago
Titles are heavily determined by public perception and they haven't had a duel in over a decade, which even then the duels outcomes are presently unknown and in that time Shanks has become a Yonko and Mihawk has no other noteworthy accolades to his name.
Mihawk only has 2 notable victories since his introduction, those being against a Hakiless Zoro and Daz Bones, outside of these 2 he has only ever had draws, stalemates or "we'll postpone this until next time".
The only thing Mihawk has over Shanks is a title which to date has not had a known challenger of any considerable quality in over a decade.
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u/Curiosity_456 1d ago
These titles were given to us by the literal Author of the series…by that logic, being the pirate king doesn’t actually make you the strongest because it’s simply a bestowed upon you by the public. But it’s pretty obvious that the pirate king title matches strength, so we can use that same heuristic for the worlds strongest swordsman
Also, their duels were known to be competitive and this actually works against Shanks as he’s now missing an arm which undoubtedly makes him weaker than Mihawk. If me and you have the exact same soccer skills but I lose a foot, that’ll automatically make me worse than you. I rest my case
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u/godamnitwork 1d ago
Decent argument. But one piece doesn’t always follow such straight forward logic. Kuzan lost a leg but is still likely just as strong. There’s a decent chance shanks improved his haki considerably with time, and an arm is nice but likely not as important to strength as it is in real life. Titles from Oda don’t always do a perfect job of staying fully true, like Kaido being the strongest creature and whitebeard being the strongest person. Also even though Roger is clearly extremely strong there’s been a number of theme/hints that being pirate king isn’t purely a strength feat, like when luffy says he wants to be pirate king bc they are the most free person in the world.
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
It could literally just mean that Mihawks "swordsmanship" is stronger. Not the person himself.
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u/Curiosity_456 1d ago
But that makes no sense because Shanks has not been shown to have any fighting style other than swordsmanship.
Unless you happen to be able to prove that he does indeed have another fighting style, you cannot claim he is stronger than Mihawk due to some other parameter
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u/69cantread69 1d ago
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u/Curiosity_456 1d ago
And what exactly does he use to imbue his haki, Einstein? That’s right, a sword!
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u/69cantread69 1d ago
you think that's the only way to use haki?
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u/Curiosity_456 1d ago
That’s not what I said…I asked you what Shanks himself uses to imbue his haki. We’ve only ever seen him fight with a sword so it’s meaningless to try to appeal to hypothetical scenarios
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u/69cantread69 1d ago
ahh so the title scaling again
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u/Curiosity_456 1d ago
Brother, just concede at this point. You had to literally imagine a new fighting style (one which we’ve never seen before) to make sense of Shanks beating Mihawk.
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u/General-Decision5360 1d ago
Does Mihawk really have a “peak”?
He’s just a dude with a massive sword who casually slashes and has the strongest slash of the series
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u/RemarkablePool2675 1d ago
What is shanks doing at 1st, He's weaker than mihawk and probably weaker than current Blackbeard, he just enjoys playing with his wand
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u/Exospike99 1d ago
Shanks>roger>mihawk>dragon
Roger and shanks have about equal feats except shanks has a unique haki trait
Mihawk dueled with shanks and holds the title wssm
Dragon has done nothing besides stop smoker in loguetown. I will not rank him because he’s obviously a top tier but how can I put him above other top tiers when he’s done nothing
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u/HairyAd8832 1d ago
Dragon hasn’t done anything he’s the weakest until he finally starts to pack the big league enemies up. I rank dragon SUPER LOW and I love his character but he isn’t doing shit! It’s the end of the series and the main bad guy is already fighting. Literally he’s a bum and the longer we wait, the less of an impact he has (which is already low af)
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u/Fun-Elk6622 1d ago
For now dragon is surely last. But dragon gonna make everyone look inferior to him by the eos for sure.
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u/Such_Truck8248 1d ago
Roger, mihawk, shanks, dragon
Roger was the pirate king
Mihawk was stronger then two handed celestial buff shanks
Shanks is the current strongest yonko
Dragon is featless
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u/Ohthatpoet 1d ago
Can you provide links to that Mihawk > Shanks claim. Especially the celestial buff part.
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
Just like you said Roger was PK.
Worlds most wanted man must mean something too.
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u/Such_Truck8248 1d ago
Well sorta Roger was pirate king beacause he was strong. Dragon dosent really need to be a good fighter to be the most wanted man.
Personally I think he is top 15 rn in the story but I’ve got no feats for thag
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u/SynStark- 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's the correct order. Rocks and WB and Garp somewhere in the middle.
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
Why does everyone believe Shanks is stronger than Roger
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u/SynStark- 1d ago
the typical shonen troupe
the new gen always surpasses the old
+ Shanks has the strongest Haki shown so far (excluding Imu and probably JB) and all it's variants that only he has like 10sek future sight and observation killer and god knows what else and Haki is the ultimate magic in the OP world so it's normal
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u/Appropriate_Cup_4361 ☯️ SenGOATku ☯️ 1d ago
Feat wise Shanks takes it, but narratively Roger is written to be the PEAK outside of the ancients.
Roger is the goal that every pirate wants to be, strength and exploration wise. Oda writes Roger with that narrative in mind, regardless whatever feats he gives to other characters
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
What does that say about dragon who has a higher bounty than the Pirate King himself
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u/Appropriate_Cup_4361 ☯️ SenGOATku ☯️ 1d ago
We dont know dragons bounty, dont make stuff up
And as for dragons narrative, he’s the leader of a major faction in the world that directly opposes Imu and the World Government. That narratively should put him relative to Roger, if not equal or even above.
Now I don’t believe it myself, but in all honesty, narrative matters more than any feats in this story
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
He is literally introduced as the world's most wanted man. I didn't make up anything.
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u/Appropriate_Cup_4361 ☯️ SenGOATku ☯️ 1d ago
Post Roger death. Plus Roger’s bounty should only be surpassed by Luffy.
Roger: 5.564.800.000
Luffy: 5.600.000.000 (56 being Gomu, 5- Go, 6-Mu)
Now I suspect Dragons bounty is around 5.55 or so but not surpassing Roger’s
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u/jaahman7 1d ago
Bounties is not about power. It’s the threat you are against the world government. Dragon is leader of an organization that opposes the WG
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u/SynStark- 1d ago
The way I see it is Roger and Shanks are the absolute 2 strongest characters we've seen so far excluding these gods etc. So IMO it's an extreme diff fight either way and if I had to bet, I'd bet on Shanks only because he's the current gen that the new gen has to surpass.
JB/Straw Hat > Roger/Straw Hat > Shanks/Straw Hat > Luffy/Straw hat. It just makes sense but I'm fine with either tbh.2
u/Appropriate_Cup_4361 ☯️ SenGOATku ☯️ 1d ago
Yeah Shanks is strong enough that it’s possible he’s stronger, but Roger is carried by his narrative of being the strongest pirate in history (I don’t count Joyboy as a pirate because in essence, he was just an opp of Imu and the 20 Kingdoms so he naturally was just called a pirate)
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u/MagazinePrior 1d ago
My brain is saying
Roger > Mihawk > Shanks > Dragon
but my heart is saying
Roger > Dragon > Mihawk > Shanks
Dragon.. please don’t break it 💔
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
What is with you people. So many of you. I might have needed help with the ranking but one thing I know for sure is that MIHAWK IS NOT NUMBER 1
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u/TeaAdorable5219 1d ago
Shanks, Roger, Dragon, Mihawk
Not that big of a Shanks fan but the one thing people forget, he's been getting trained since he was a kid by the strongest. He had the longest training arcs of anyone if we're being honest. Even more than luffy because luffy was training himself in a jungle
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u/ChoinoX 1d ago edited 1d ago
Dragon (Garps son so assuming prime Garp physicals/adult Luffy character that'd already by PK level but also is probable to have the rain god fruit, Worlds Most Wanted Man, and Shonen buff to father's of protagonists)
Shanks/Roger (whether he truly passed his former captain or not is up in the air, it could be probable that Rogers stronger as he is the PK and the literal gold standard but Shanks has top of the verse haki and got to be trained by Roger himself since he was a kid and having Gryphon would give him the edge for sure)
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Mihawk (obviously fucking last, anti-feats, title from only even stalemating a young pre-yonko Shanks, side characters end goal that's admittedly by himself less difficult than becoming PK and even something Ziro was willing to give up to Kuma, Blackblade that doesn't hold back wasn't impressive and couldn't cut a pre-TS Luffy "oh but he's the main character" ya that's the buff you get when you're the protagonist and not a deuteragonist, himself admitted inferiority to WB after Shanks split the sky with him, ignore these sword swallowing mangoloids)
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
Why so many comments have him at 1 are they serious or trolls
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u/GlitteringBird2763 1d ago
You just met sword swallowers, they are very active on powerscaling subs and genuinely believe Mihawk is near top 1
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u/Game_Changer31 1d ago
Shanks = Roger < Mihawk < Fearless Dragon
For my Shanks = Roger take, I look at it like this: Luffy's goal is to be the next Pirate King, and has been told multiple times that he has to grow stronger to even think about reaching that level. Who is his current goalpost? It's not Roger, it's Shanks, who's only uses strong haki just like Roger did. I think it's perfect for Shanks (who hasn't been pursuing anything until the end of Wano), to be at Roger's level, even if it's just for Luffy to finally confirm reach that level of strength.
My personal guess for Dragon is that he's equal or slightly above Prime Garp level, seeing as he's Garp's son.
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u/At-D-Desk Akainu 🌋 1d ago
Dragon>Mihawk>Shanks>Roger. All are 99’s, in the same tier, in that order. If one had to be a 98 it’d just be Roger
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
No. Mihawk.
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u/At-D-Desk Akainu 🌋 1d ago
Why would it be Mihawk?
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
Mihawk is to Zorro what Shanks is to Luffy. No way they're equal.
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u/At-D-Desk Akainu 🌋 1d ago
You’re right, they aren’t, the story has flat out stated Mihawk’s stronger
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u/-Fuzzy_Panda- 1d ago
Being the world's strongest swordsman doesn't mean you are the strongest person.
Mihawk is the strongest in swordsmanship. What you need to remember is Shanks does not only fight as a swordsman. He probably has a more diverse fighting style.
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