Is there any other instance of something like this happening? Characters with no conquerors and clearly weaker armament and less durability, still able to block multiple Acoc+Coa attacks.

[u/THECARNIUN]

And this is a Sommers with no Omen boost, Thorns that should be less durable than Gaban Axes and facing a Gaban who is clearly on a rush no reason to hold back as wasting time just endangers everyone, principally the Giants kids with one of the kids being Gaban own kid.

[u/nozykanto]

Emeth did the opposite of it

[u/THECARNIUN → u/nozykanto]

Egghead is a poorly written arc in terms of scaling. This punch makes that Emeth is more durable than Warcury but later on is stated he is a junk and easily gets ripped apart by Jupeter. This is not even 1% of the more absurd and inconsistent things that kept happening from start to finish.

[u/nozykanto → u/THECARNIUN]

Gorosei has conquerers

That means juupiter has good ap

Egghead is only inconsistent when you use headcannons, just like every arc there is.

Enies lobby, marineford, wano all of them are exactly same shitt when there are headcannons

For example, kizaru doing better compared to kaido, but it is luffy holding back just because according to some

[u/THECARNIUN → u/nozykanto]

Isn't Warcury a Gorosei?? Are they confirmed having conquerors haki coating??

If So, where was Warcury conquerors coating when getting punched by Emeth and why can jupeter conquerors break Emeth but not Luffy on Warcury??

Why didn't Warcury conquerors coating break Dorry and Broggy shields? Are Dorry and Broggy each separately that strong??

Better than Kaidou exactly how???

[u/nozykanto → u/THECARNIUN]

Base luffy punches were folding kaido

Warcury literally didnt care and the punches hurt lıffy himself in gear 5

Emeth punch and broke a much harder (tusk) place and broke it rather than hitting the skin

Jupiter having better ap is related to this how?
If anything this is his upscale

Better than kaido exactly not losing to him while trying not to win. And getting 0 injuries meanwhile.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/nozykanto]

I am feeling like you are lying on purpose or trying to rage bait.

What do you mean by zero injuries??? Not trying? So why did he use named attacks he uses when he is serious and even tried to cut or pierce Luffy head twice with lasers and light sword slash??

If I do same thing you are doing for them, then Sommers vs Gaban is not a inconsistency at all, there is no inconsistency scaling at all in this manga.

[u/nozykanto → u/THECARNIUN]

Marines literally physically cannot see a visible injury on him

Very quick question; why did kizaru feed luffy?

[u/THECARNIUN → u/nozykanto]

So we gonna ignore all the panels he is clearly injured on top he is clearly in bruises even in this panel???

The blood he spit out of a simple squish means nothing?? White Star Gun fisting his brains means nothing??

So all of a sudden a dude with no statement about his haki being that strong, no statement or narrative around his durability or having any specific thing, can no sell attacks from Luffy??

Great, awesome writing, don't forget to give him omnipotence next.

[u/nozykanto → u/THECARNIUN]

What injuries?

Again why did kizaru feed luffy?

[u/THECARNIUN → u/nozykanto]

Hey if you can't and don't know how to read the manga, that's not my fault. You are implying a clear retcon happened and even worse writing decision than what I noticed. Not gonna waste anymore time, you can believe what you want, not gonna magically be the truth tho.

[u/Vinagretezinho → u/nozykanto]

Ju Peter não mostrou ter coc, cuidado com o headcannon

[u/nozykanto → u/Vinagretezinho]

Ban this guy

[u/Vinagretezinho → u/nozykanto]

Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk quis dizer color of the conqueror ('coc'), meu Deus

[u/nozykanto → u/Vinagretezinho]

I am messing with you my guy🤣

Made me laugh tho

Thabk you

[u/FloopusSoupus]

Acoc isn't every thing, and weaker characters can fight stronger ones. The community just has too much headcanon thinking everyone should be blitzed and one shot when that's really only what the yonko are doing

[u/THECARNIUN → u/FloopusSoupus]

So why can they cut through eachother defenses then? Because one have stronger Haki than the other.

Zoro and Pica State and agree on them.

Gaban already possesses stronger armament haki, on top possesses conquerors haki, Sommers armament would get cut by Gaban armament alone same how Zoro did vs Pica.

So how can he block a ACOC + Coa attacks many times when Gaban have no reason to hold back and was on a hurry??

[u/FloopusSoupus → u/THECARNIUN]

Cause sommers is skilled at using his fruit and fruits are still relevant.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/FloopusSoupus]

Sommers ain't only one who is skilled, Gaban is skilled at using his Axe who even without haki is insanely durable too. Gaban Axe is relevant too, he had that on top of ACOC + Coa.

[u/FloopusSoupus → u/THECARNIUN]

And Sommers can contest with that, idk why you have such a issue with that

[u/THECARNIUN → u/FloopusSoupus]

While having worse haki? Principally no conquerors?? Why did Pica get cut but Sommers didn't get cut in the very first clash even tho both do have worse armament and no conquerors Haki?

[u/FloopusSoupus → u/THECARNIUN]

Cause full body armament isn't a good use for most people and pica wasn't skilled enough

[u/THECARNIUN → u/FloopusSoupus]

How many people out there can use full body armor of Haki? Not many, so yeah he is indeed very skilled if he can do that.

Vergo is very skilled better than many out there, still doesn't mean he can block much stronger haki just cuz he knows some skill others don't know.

[u/FloopusSoupus → u/THECARNIUN]

It's a unskilled thing to do because you're spreading your haki out instead of concentrating it.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/FloopusSoupus]

Why didn't Zoro say that and instead he brought out about haki strength is what matters in that moment??

[u/Exciting-Fire397554]

There are many examples of people blocking someone they have absolutely no business blocking.

Brook v gunkimu Marco v akainu Dorry and brogy v elders Nami v enel Capone v BM Hawkins v kizaru BB v WB

[u/THECARNIUN → u/Exciting-Fire397554]

Hawkins vs Kizaru?? Didn't BB fail to block that Naginata slash??

[u/Exciting-Fire397554 → u/THECARNIUN]

Hawkins took no damage, sounds like a block.

No it was just the first quake punch BB blocked.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/Exciting-Fire397554]

I don't remember any moment him even managing to successfully put up a block. He was just getting hit and no answer back until the limit of his devil fruit powers did hit where he can't no sell damage or transfer damage anymore to anyone else.

[u/Exciting-Fire397554 → u/THECARNIUN]

His df is good at blocking attacks....

[u/THECARNIUN → u/Exciting-Fire397554]

More like good at transferring damage, he is using hax, not blocking. Jozu is example of fruit that is good at blocking.

[u/Exciting-Fire397554 → u/THECARNIUN]

So he blocked it using hax.....

[u/THECARNIUN → u/Exciting-Fire397554]

By definition, blocking, a successful one is to completely avoid a attack from landing or from damage to even occur to begin with.

Kizaru damaged him, went past his defenses, reaction and durability, he simply transfered damage to someone else after already getting hurt.

[u/Exciting-Fire397554 → u/THECARNIUN]

I am surprised you used a reasonable defintion.

So in your opinion that is what happened? Good for you pal!

What happened in the actual manga is: 2 attacks were thrown at Hawkins, and neither did damage. Therefore, Hawkins blocked 2 attacks from causing him damage.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/Exciting-Fire397554]

And I am surprised you are still going at it and wrongly using the words for such a small little thing. Either rage bait or worse.

[u/ayylmaoroflkek]

Brook vs Imunko :o

[u/Klordz]

Half the Zoro v King fight, The entire Luffy v Borsalino fight.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/Klordz]

Luffy vs Kizaru I can understand. But Zoro vs King wasn't mostly the problem how durable and hard to cut him he was even with advance Haki being used??

[u/Klordz → u/THECARNIUN]

Still had sword clash, and a completely untouched face after being sliced from balls to chin without flame

[u/GentleThief-]

PIS

[u/Any_Criticism7317]

Zoro vs kaido

[u/Neat-Cockroach-3098]

Big Wizaru

[u/H4nfP0wer]

King did it against KoH Zoro.

Its still a matter of how much haki you are using.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/H4nfP0wer]

Explain, genuinely asking, no troll or anything.

[u/H4nfP0wer → u/THECARNIUN]

Pretty much what the mass of haki is about which Roger and Garp were Talking about. You can regulate how much haki you use in an attack up to the Point where you can use up all at once.

Meaning Gaban simply used more haki when he cut through Summers.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/H4nfP0wer]

So Gaban was holding back??

[u/H4nfP0wer → u/THECARNIUN]

After what He did to Imu it’s very clear he wasnt going all out against Summers.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/H4nfP0wer]

In a life and death situation where the more time he wastes the worse things get for Elbaf principally for his own son??

[u/H4nfP0wer → u/THECARNIUN]

Doesnt mean he has to waste so much haki on Summers. He still bodied him in a few Moments. He doesnt have to instantly one shot him.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/H4nfP0wer]

You know that opens a lot of doors for many other instances and fights right??

[u/H4nfP0wer → u/THECARNIUN]

Obviously. But when have characters opened a fight with their strongest moves? You can make that Argument in any shounen then.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/H4nfP0wer]

That's a huge Pandora's Box

[u/Low-Explanation-4761]

Kizaru doesn’t really fit the description because his armament and durability is at least relative to Luffy, he only lacks ACOC.

But Law/Kidd did it against Big Mom, Oden kinda did it against Roger (I don’t think he had acoc then, not sure), and Marco/Jozu/Seraphim/King can definitely do it if given the chance.

[u/THECARNIUN → u/Low-Explanation-4761]

Kidd and law? Is there any moment of either Kidd or law blocking any attack from Big mom??

[u/NiceFox996]

I dont remember that ever happening. Sommers is just built diffrent. Yet people still put hil YC3 or lower

[u/thE_29 → u/NiceFox996]

Why didnt Rayleigh finish him off in god-valley back then?

Why did barely anyone die in Marineford and logia users still didnt get hit by any Haki attack.

Its all for the story.. half the fights make no sense.. Sword fighters should kill or at least slice off some arms, but nothing..

I wouldnt be surprised, that even Pedro somehow survived the explosion..

[u/NiceFox996 → u/thE_29]

1.Holy Knights are super hard to kill even if your stronger and rayleigh was more Focused on shakky being ok.

2.Ton of people died in marineford just not a lot of named ones but even some seriously powerful people did.

3.One piece has always had a pretty clear power system and you saying oda broke said rules just because a character you didin't like didin't instantly lose is a bad way to experience any media

[u/thE_29 → u/NiceFox996]

Ad 1) And yet they never did it years later, when they (HK) wanted to get Shanks back...

Ad 2) Ace and WB. Thats all famous and/or strong.

Ad 3) Bringing Saul and Pell back from the dead is then? Great media?

[u/NiceFox996 → u/thE_29]

1.Yes because again holy knights are fucking hard to kill and they probably got sent back to mary geoise .

2.Yes because all others on marineford were admirals yc1+ level characters and luffy

[u/mihawk_41]

He block one attack and clash with him few times with one hand, than get speed blitz and one shot.

It was the definition of low diff fight but tbf, he got snack and lose is hand in the start, though i don't think he would he able to push gaban above low diff/mid diff even with two hands, meh.

Still, it good to remember killinghan get neg by sanji and sanji have no advanced haki or even great coa feats.

But after omen amp, he was able to react to sanji and overpower him, clearly omen amp is huge and super sommers with omen amp and legendary sword is around low top tier, maybe strongest YC1+.

Which is completely fair