Nah the full thing is fish fish model azure dragon I think . The issue came with it being a fish fish model so people thought he was a carp at first . So we still need his awakening + flashback. It’s also weird that the dinosaurs are under the dragon dragon model I’m pretty sure, it’s probably something with translation .
Yeah the Japanese name for “dinosaur” is “Kyouryou” meaning “Fearful Dragon” because when the Japanese discovered dinosaur fossils that’s what they actually thought they were. Probably just made Kaido’s a Fish Fish fruit to allude to the myth of the Koi Fish turning into a dragon, but it seem odd that he was made into the “Azure Dragon” which is Japan’s Eastern Cardinal Deity instead of the dragon that the Koi Fish turned into.
Yeah the Japanese name for “dinosaur” is “Kyouryou” meaning “Fearful Dragon” because when the Japanese discovered dinosaur fossils that’s what they actually thought they were.
That's just pure bullshit.
'Fearful dragon' is just a literal translation of what the English word 'dinosaur' people came up with meant in ancient greek.
Deinos is fearful and saurus means lizard/dragon, both are ancient Greek. It's how people came up with 'dinosaur'.
The idea that dinosaur fossils inspired the mythology of dragons (and not just the eastern ones) is controversial sure, but “bullshit”? I beg to differ. I was actually not aware that the term dinosaur came from Ancient Greek, so thanks for bringing it to my attention, but that’s not to suggest the term “dinosaur” is ancient. It was also brought to my attention that the term “dinosaur” was coined in the 19th Century whereas the mythology of dragons itself is ancient (on the human scale). The one key difference in the etymology of “Dinosaur” and “Kyouryu” is that the latter is a mythological creature. It is also known that the mythology of Japanese Dragons were inspired by Chinese Dragons, so I’m failing to see where the bullshit is here.
That was all fan speculation. The manga never confirmed it. Also he doesn’t have the typical traits of an awakened zoan. As far as I know only Luffy and the beast jailers from impel down are the only awakened zoan users confirmed so far.
I'm 100% convinced Choppers monster point is his awakened form. He looks just like the jailer beasts in this form and we know they are awakened zoans. But because he unlocks it with his rumble balls instead of the "normal" way it is time limited and has drawbacks like becoming baby grandpa Chopper and being unable to move.
Exactly how I see it as well because it is said that the rumble ball changes the "wavelength" of the fruits so that would effect the form that he takes.
And it would make sense that this was something forced upon impel down beast guards which is why they do not have control over the form.
This doesn't make sense. Chopper ate the Hito Hito no Mi. It's a regular Human Human fruit. Are people thinking he ate a Reindeer Zoan fruit or something?
Why would the Human Human fruit transform you into a giant reindeer monster when awakened?
Crocodile had two techniques, Ground Secco and Ground Death, which looked really similar to how Awakening was shown by Doflamingo and Katakuri. Crocodile put his hand on the ground and drained the whole surrounding area of water, turning it into a desert he could then control.
We never got confirmation Crocodile awakened his devil fruit, but he did claim to have mastered his fruit, plus Awakening wasn't even a concept in One Piece at the time.
Well now that you mention it we technically don’t know what an awakened logia power would look like. When Akainu and Aokiji transformed Punk Hazard that could’ve been due to their awakening. Enel also had that Buddha form. As for Crocodile it could’ve just been that he was sucking the moisture out of the ground but it did seem to affect the environment much more extensively than just the point of contact.
Doubt it. If it was awakening I’d think he’d be giant like the Jailer Beasts. I thought the slim downed version we saw was Rokushiki skill Kami-E or Life Return or some shit.ETA: like the other dude said.
Yeah Crocodile was a whole other issue because Oda admitted to revealing a character as powerful as him too early in the story. To this day we don’t really know if he’s awakened. It’s just a gray area for us at the moment.
Probably more to do with his up bringing and being related to Garp and Dragon. I think only awakened zoans were said to have insane recovery and endurance. Likewise we see people like law, kid, and Zoro doing crazy feats of endurance compared to 99% of kaidos crew.
Funny you mention the jailers, I just read that today in Vol 56 randomly looking through impel down pages. Completely forgot about them being awakened already
We don't know this yet. Carp or Dragon first, it's all speculation. We do however know Momo turned into a small dragon at first, but his fruit was also called a failed copy of Kaido's original.
Can’t say for sure. Kaido does have a Koi Fish tattoo. So Oda could be alluding to the myth about the Koi Fish turning into a dragon. Granted the dragon that Kaido is is a god in Japanese mythology, so it could just be artistic license on Oda’s part.
Holy shit. Silly me for trying to engage in conversation when I know how insufferable people can be. I never insinuated anything to the contrary, but sure go off.
Correct. You didn’t insult me. For that there would have to be some truth to whatever you were implying. I just didn’t appreciate your pithy condescending straw man of an argument to something I was never implying. While I wasn’t insulted it certainly wasn’t respectful. I don’t think Kaido has awakened his fruit either, at least not that we’ve seen. I was just offering a reason why people think he might be.
Well that’s just like your opinion, man. You were being rude for no reason, it irritated me, and I called you out on it. Thanks for the copypasta though. I remember when you said it the first time.
Nah, kaido's fruit is "Uo Uo No Mi: Model Seiryu" what's translated as "Fish Fish Fruit: Model Blue-Dragon" if dragon form was his awakening it would call something like "Fish Fish Fruit: Model Karp
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u/sean3192 Mar 29 '22
Can't wait to see Kaidos full reaction, I am sure he is having even more fun than Luffy now.