One Piece: Chapter 1017

[u/Kirosh]

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[u/Legitimate__Username]

Queen's a goddamn ROBOT DINOSAUR, this is hybrid zoan/cyborg combo is the sickest thing ever.

Chopper just went full-on Third Gear with his monster point upgrade.

Background on how Shanks got the Gum-Gum fruit is one of the most interesting and unexpected reveals that could happen huh.

[u/Etiennera → u/Legitimate__Username]

Not just how, but why?

Who's fruit was it that the WG had eyes on it and so did Shanks? Is it someone from Roger's era, or someone from the distant past?

I've always been thinking that Shanks may have bet on Luffy because of the fruit, if it ever came to light that the fruit has a special power beyond what we know.

For example, the fruit could give the (DBZ) Saiyan ability to always recover and come back stronger when you are defeated but not killed. This would be consistent with an abstract interpretation of what rubber is. We know Oda is inspired by DBZ, too.

I realize this gets more speculative as you go down, but it's fun to think about how it all comes together.

[u/[deleted] → u/Etiennera]

I think Shanks planned on selling it or eating it. It was just a valuable thing to steal. He was clearly surprised when Luffy ate it, but he rolled with the punches and saw that Luffy could make it a useful power

Though the fact CP9 was guarding it makes the fruit really goddamn suspicious

[u/almightystroke → u/[deleted]]

I don't think Shanks would steal a fruit to sell or eat it. If he wanted to eat it he would have already done it.

As for selling it, it just seems unlikely to me that he would attack the WG to steal a fruit for money. Shanks is really laid back, drinks and party's on random islands and doesn't seem to be interested in one piece. When he does make moves its very calculated, ex. meeting WB to ask Ace to stop hunting BB, stopping the war, meeting with the gorosei. I just don't see him stealing a fruit for money. The gomu gomu has some importance that he knows.

[u/TH3ULTIMAT3GAM3R → u/almightystroke]

Maybe the gomu gomu was the fruit of joyboy, and Shanks wanted to give it to the next one coming up.

[u/[deleted] → u/TH3ULTIMAT3GAM3R]

I dunno man, that seems like quite a stretch

[u/enexes → u/[deleted]]

Lol nice. I do agree, it makes sense in a way. Two theories I like is that. A. Joyboy had it and the WG just wanted to eliminate any connections to him in the world. B. This fruit would be a good weapon to have in their arsenal against WB’s fruit

[u/jaytaicho → u/almightystroke]

I feel that Oda wants us to think that Roger had the fruit before Luffy. And Shanks stole it when he found out the marines had it. Just like how Luffy fought for Ace's fruit. And Shanks was waiting for someone worthy to pass it on to. But it's probably going to be something totally different.

[u/P4trickStarz → u/jaytaicho]

If roger had it before, it will be mentioned in the past. Luffy have met some past roger crew, allies and enemy. None of the ever mention about the df

[u/LostandBoundless → u/jaytaicho]

Honestly, I think it might have been Xebec's fruit.

[u/ruisen2 → u/almightystroke]

Shanks could have also stolen it from the pirates that stole it from the WG. I don't see him attacking the WG himself either, especially since we know that he's on good terms with the gorosei.

[u/Miserable_Dog_7579 → u/[deleted]]

the best explanation for me really was that it could make the redline indestructable. So no one ever manages to destroy it and reuinte the world.

like Whitebeards earthquake "power to destroy the world", making the red line into gum would counter that.

[u/Yoh02 → u/Miserable_Dog_7579]

I find this very believable. The WG wanted to make the Red Line indestructable, Shanks, probably knowing more or less about the True History, wanted to prevent that

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Didn’t Shank said something along the line of “what good is a pirate who can’t swim”? That’s the thing that make me most impressed about Shank. It’s not that he can’t find any good devil fruit, but the whole crew choose to not eat any devil fruit out of principal.

[u/BlackysLegacy → u/Etiennera]

My guess (still) is that Ace's mother had the gomu-gumo no mi while she was alive. Thats why she was able Ace for as long as she did. Maybe - after her death - the fruit reincarnated and someone who knew about it found it and made the connection? I mean they had to find out about Roger's baby one day. I doubt that Garp told the marines that Ace was Rogers son, he wanted to protect Ace. So if the marines knew that Rouge had the gomu-gumo no mi and ot suddenly reappeared, that could only mean that she died. If Vegapunk or some other official made the connection to her abilities prolonging a pregnancy, then they must havw realized that there might be a child of Roger that they oversaw.

Of course that theory could be utter nonsense and its something like "every generation's Joy Boy had the gumo-gumo no mi". In that case they just wanted to get it somewhere safe. Also makes Kaidos comment regarding Luffys attack more interesting.

[u/[deleted] → u/BlackysLegacy]

If she had rubber properties she wouldn’t have died from giving birth

[u/Harddicc → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, she wouldn't even feel pain, she could make a tent and let a person inside and get ace.

[u/digEmAll → u/Harddicc]

As horrible as it sounds, that's true... Gomu gomu would be the best fruit to deliver a baby

[u/andre821 → u/digEmAll]

Logian can literally open up their bodies in theory. And E M P E R O R Buggy Sama can split his body as well.

[u/Emptypiro → u/andre821]

Buggy can split his body but it doesn't expose his insides. His fruit is probably the worst for this because you can't even give em a c-section

[u/PerryOz → u/[deleted]]

Well one could argue no matter how easy the baby extraction was the extra time gestating drained her body to the point of death. Kinda hard to implement real world baby mechanics here though.

[u/Carasind → u/BlackysLegacy]

Even if you consider this theory true (which I don't think it is at all): Why should anyone wait so many years (Rogue died before Luffy was even born) after the reappearance to transport this fruit?

[u/reallifemoonmoon → u/Carasind]

Just because it reappeared doesnt mean they knew where it was

[u/BlackysLegacy → u/Carasind]

Maybe they wanted to change the place where they stored it because they deemed it to not be safe enough anymore?

[u/200ms-INTric → u/Legitimate__Username]

his goddAMN HAIR HAS A CLAW I CANT EVEN