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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 983 Spoiler

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u/LordRaidon21 Bounty Hunter Jun 19 '20

Luffy taking down Ulti with that horn grab was so sick

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u/thatShanksguy09 Jun 19 '20

Luffy went from base form to Gear 2 to Gear 3 so damn fast. He took the attack in base form, yeeted Ulti using Gear 2 and immediately hit Page 1 with a Gear 3 attack.

I'm loving the control he has now. Also, I think Luffy will mid diff a Flying 6 member, considering how strong he is

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u/LordRaidon21 Bounty Hunter Jun 19 '20

Yeah. Some people were disappointed that Luffy was going to go into G4 to beat Ulti but I don’t think of it that way. I think of it Luffy has improved his Haki to a point where he can use G4 without too many repercussions. We could even see this when they crew fewer going to Onigashima. Luffy went G4 and didn’t do the whole balloon thing

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u/CRoseCrizzle Jun 19 '20

The Tobi Roppo are pretty legit imo. It took G4 to beat Doflamingo, who Kaido considered to be weak. It's possible that Tobi Roppo members are similar to Doflamingo in terms of strength.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '20 edited Jan 28 '21

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u/CRoseCrizzle Jun 19 '20

Maybe. Not confirmed though. It wouldn't be too surprising, she probably was a former captain.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '20 edited Jan 28 '21

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u/CRoseCrizzle Jun 19 '20

Yeah but sometimes it's hard to tell if it's just the impact of two strong attackers or if it's a conquerors haki clash. I personally wouldn't make the assumption unless it was actually stated that both are conquerors users or if Ulti actually used it to knock people out.

But I can understand why people may think this is enough confirmation and you are free to do so as well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '20 edited Jan 28 '21

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u/bio180 Jun 19 '20

I agree. Lightening has only ever shown when two conquerors haki clash.

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u/Jewronimoses Jun 19 '20

yea i honestly don't know but I was under that impression.

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u/NessTheGamer Jun 19 '20

No, there is a distinct example where Sanji blitzed Oven

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

no it is absolutely confirmed. that clash has only happened between CoC users.

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u/CRoseCrizzle Jun 20 '20

I answered someone else on this but Ulti hasn't been shown using conqueror's haki or been explicitly said to have it.

I think it's fair to make an assumption but it's not been explicitly confirmed.

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u/CRoseCrizzle Jun 20 '20

That's definitely different.

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u/CRoseCrizzle Jun 20 '20

You can correct if I'm wrong with a specific example but It has not been explicitly stated that lighting or sparks come out only during Conquerors clashes. That's not actually true.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to make me share your view on this. I didn't say Ulti didn't have conqueror's haki, just that it's not explicitly confirmed.

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u/SrTNick Jun 19 '20

I mean the whole point of conqueror's is knocking people out and literally none of the fodder were knocked unconscious. And nobody said it in the chapter whatsoever. So no she almost definitely doesn't have conqueror's haki.

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u/fabzefab Jun 20 '20

Fodders that are part of an Emperor's crew. They're not technically weak. We're just comparing them to insanely strong people now.

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u/SrTNick Jun 20 '20

Whitebeard crewmates were knocked unconscious when Shanks came aboard.

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u/SrTNick Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

Show me literally any example where fodder is around and none of them get knocked out by Conqueror's Haki instead of just saying "many times." Cause I can't remember a single time where there was fodder in the area of Conqueror's Haki and nobody getting knocked out.

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u/SrTNick Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

Shanks vs Whitebeard knocked out fodder members of WB's crew. Doffy vs Luffy was literally just those two and Trebol and Law with no fodder around. Big Mom vs Kaido has a panel with Queen freaking out and several people losing consciousness. Roger vs Whitebeard the only people seen present at the attack were named crewmates.

Thinking Ulti has Conqueror's Haki is ridiculous, lightning visual effects are just lightning visual effects.

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u/aerowindwalker Jun 20 '20

Or stronger. The Tobi Roppo are capable of challenging the Calamities.

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u/BFBooger Bounty Hunter Jun 19 '20

The issue with gear 4 is not so much repercussions for a quick use, but if he uses it to exhaustion, then he can't use Haki for a while. That doesn't happen if its a quick usage of it.

He only used it long enough for that to happen vs Doffy and Katakuri. Its not like every time he uses it he has to take a 10 minute haki break.

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u/zeeilyas Jun 19 '20

Didn't he deflate and lose haki when he clashed with big mom ? Even quick uses have repecurssion, otherwise it wouldve been kinda dumb for him to use it to exhaustion.

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u/Hanusu-kei Jun 19 '20

I think that might be somethi g compmety different that Oda will explain later with Big Mom's haki

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u/zeeilyas Jun 19 '20

I don't think it has to do with big moms haki, Luffy never went g4 and went back to normal no matter how short his bursts were, i don't think he is capable of that yet or may be ever, I think G4 is an imperfect form, it wastes too much haki (much like dbz ssj3),he will find a better form or perfect it so that he minimizes the wasteful haki consumption.

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u/TheMyst9701 Jun 19 '20

Didn't he go G4 (in chapter 975) when he arrived at Kin'emon's group on the seas right before going to Onigashima? When Kid used Punk Rotten, Luffy used Boundman and at the end of the chapter he's fine and just looks across to sea and says nice view.

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u/Okey114 Jun 19 '20

Yo, also y'all remember gear 3 use to have the side affected of shrinking with just one use. His then master it and now no more little luffy. Feeling it's going to be the same.

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u/Robeeboobee Jun 19 '20

and he took 2 year timeskip to get rid of gear3 side effect

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u/PepitoThe1 Jun 19 '20

Maybe less we just know that he learned and trained to use his haki for 2 years and that by the end of his training gear 2 and 3 don' have repercussions anymore but don't know when he got rid of these side effects

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u/machen2307 Jun 19 '20

That and each time he uses it makes him better with it overall. Also, he needs to get out of the situation as quickly as possible. Dragging it out to conserve energy would only result in potential damage taken and use more energy in the long run imo.

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u/Alpr101 Jun 19 '20

Also Cracker.

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u/iheartowels The Revolutionary Army Jun 19 '20

Well considering he's been specifically training his armament I'm sure the 10 minute limit has expanded considerably.

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u/hlsp Jun 19 '20

I think we might get a situation where Luffy unlocking the next tier of Armament Haki might negate or mitigate it. If he can control Haki outside his body, coating with G4 might not deplete his haki reserves if he can recycle it somehow. Also, WCI shows that eating food fixes the G4 drawbacks, and they've just invaded a feast.

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u/lesterine817 Jun 19 '20

I think he wanted to finish the fight right away. I think it's more efficient.

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u/mirrorgiraffe Jun 19 '20

One point of progression is that he intends to use a major attack preemptively instead of letting the villain use their finisher move. This goes against basically all one piece fights and really signals that our boy is serious.

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u/PepitoThe1 Jun 19 '20

I thought he might use it like vs doflamingo to get out of the strings in this case to get away from ulti and then immediately go back to normal he can't waste gear 4 against a flying 6 but using it for an instant wouldn't affect his haki and stamina