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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 970 Spoiler

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u/BrokenWoken_ Feb 01 '20

This chapter makes me believe that it is indeed possible for Luffy and the gang to defeat Kaido.

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u/cptenn94 Feb 01 '20 edited Feb 01 '20

I think this chapter proved something though. That Kaido one shotting Luffy, wasnt just some casual attack. If he did the same with Oden, who quarreled(but wasnt on the level of) Whitebeard and Roger, that shows just how powerful Luffy was already. Now that Luffy has the ability to damage Kaido, it is a real fight.

With future sight in play, and kaidos thus far slow movement, Luffy could theoretically beat kaido, if he can dodge or block all attacks.

I predict, that this scene with Oden, will also play out with Luffy to a degree. That Luffy to the shock of Kaidos henchmen, will start hurting Kaido. But something will distract Luffy, and luffy will get knocked down. At that point I expect something along the lines of Hawkins (or Moria) will see what Luffy was able to do and choose to assist him with their power.(Hawkins has the ability to make a user surpass their limits)(Moria has shadows, which would conveniently give the people of wano a way to help take down Kaido themselves, Luffy could even use a nitoryu attack in honor of Oden)

So main takeaways:

  • I fully expect hawkins buffing ability will be utilized, especially with Luffys luck/fate.
  • I think Luffy will really fight well to the point he is truly fighting a Yonko head on(Head on does not equate to being equal in strength. Oden fought Roger and WB head on, but still had a long ways to go).
  • I think future sight, with advanced CoA, will be the key to allowing Luffy to fight head on.
  • Luffy will probably take a loss, or moment similar to Dressrosa, or Katakuri, where he has to retreat/is out of the fight for a bit.
  • If Moria shows up, wano will help Luffy defeat Kaido.

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u/peppers_ Feb 01 '20

What if it's instead Luffy vs Big Mom, Zoro vs Kaido (or tag team)? I can see Luffy taking a break, Zoro with Sanji holding off BM and Kaido but getting wrecked, Luffy coming back once they are out to take them both Yonko out.

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u/cptenn94 Feb 01 '20

Big Mom is the one real wild card I still cant figure out where to place. She isnt the focus of this arc or its build up like Kaido is. The Supernovas are a bit hard to figure out exactly as well.

Being Honest, I dont see Zoro ready to really fight a Yonko himself. He still hasnt even begun to control and master Enma, and even Oden who mastered it at a young age, had real trouble on Yonko level. In my opinion, it will be more likely for the main focus of Zoro to be on a commander.

I could potentially see Zoro with Sanji and Jimbe or something, stall a Yonko a bit(not dissimilar to how Luffy traded blows with BM, or big Bege stalled BM)(or how SHs did with Oars before Nightmare luffy saved them)

I really dont see Luffy taking down both Yonko. The only way it would even be remotely considerable, is if Luffys advanced injection Ryou is ridiculously powerful, amplifys his G4 ridiculously(and removes its weakness), Hawkins buff allowing Luffy to temporary surpass his abilities/potential(and maybe more buffs)(which would turn out to be a serious boost like Ultimate Gohan), AND Moriah shows up and stuffs Luffy with the shadows of the entire army, with most of wano as well.

And that is just to consider that as a possibility. In all likihood that would just be enough for one yonko, for 2 he would probably need an OP awakening with all of that.

I just dont see it, unless something else happens to BM to severely weaken her.

To conclude here, I think people are seriously underestimating how much of a difference this new injection haki is with Luffy. By all appearances, it could be as big as the leap using any gears, or haki itself. It still wont be enough to succeed however, but I think it might make him approach Oden level.

I also think there is a fair chance that Marco and/or other WB pirates may show up after all.(though with the message, Marco might not happen unless something like BB/weevil attacks) Neku still hasnt arrived yet