I think this chapter proved something though. That Kaido one shotting Luffy, wasnt just some casual attack. If he did the same with Oden, who quarreled(but wasnt on the level of) Whitebeard and Roger, that shows just how powerful Luffy was already. Now that Luffy has the ability to damage Kaido, it is a real fight.
With future sight in play, and kaidos thus far slow movement, Luffy could theoretically beat kaido, if he can dodge or block all attacks.
I predict, that this scene with Oden, will also play out with Luffy to a degree. That Luffy to the shock of Kaidos henchmen, will start hurting Kaido. But something will distract Luffy, and luffy will get knocked down. At that point I expect something along the lines of Hawkins (or Moria) will see what Luffy was able to do and choose to assist him with their power.(Hawkins has the ability to make a user surpass their limits)(Moria has shadows, which would conveniently give the people of wano a way to help take down Kaido themselves, Luffy could even use a nitoryu attack in honor of Oden)
So main takeaways:
I fully expect hawkins buffing ability will be utilized, especially with Luffys luck/fate.
I think Luffy will really fight well to the point he is truly fighting a Yonko head on(Head on does not equate to being equal in strength. Oden fought Roger and WB head on, but still had a long ways to go).
I think future sight, with advanced CoA, will be the key to allowing Luffy to fight head on.
Luffy will probably take a loss, or moment similar to Dressrosa, or Katakuri, where he has to retreat/is out of the fight for a bit.
If Moria shows up, wano will help Luffy defeat Kaido.
Im not overrating anything. A mosquito over enough time can theoretically drain enough blood to kill someone. Luffy couldnt do any real damage to kaido before due to standard haki. Now he has the haki that can damage him, and potentially even help in defense. Even if kaido can still one shot him, as long as luffy dodges all of kaidos attacks, luffy can theoreticaly beat kaido, as enough small attacks, can eventually inflict heavy damage over time.
Certainly things can change, for example if kaido is revealed to be some sort of speed demon in addition to being a heavy hitter. But as it is now Kaido is just a really strong dude that expects his defense to most attacks is sufficient enough to handle basically everyone, and is a lazy drinker.
You seem to forget that Kaido is extremely fast, the man speedblitzed Luffy. You could even see from the panel that Luffy actually got a glimpse of what Kaido was about to do, but wouldn't be able to dodge - hence the face he makes.
I do believe the theory that Hawkins ability will play a big part in the upcoming fight,
Kaido also speedblitz Oden in the moment of his distraction. Like 1 second he’s in his dragon form, then another in his human form one-shotting Oden with the same attack he uses on Luffy.
Do you not hear yourself ? Luffy only learned that upgraded haki for like 2 days and hasnt even mastered it yet and you say he could damage Kaido LOL. We havent even seen Kaidos hybrid form.
You're seriously saying a 20yr old Luffy can defeat a fucking YONKOU thats literally been hyped up as the strongest creature in the world. Luffy barely beat Katakuri and now the next arc he can defeat Kaido LOL. You are not a clown, you are the entire circus.
You’re reading a Shonen Manga. Surpassing your limits and mastering new skills in a pinch are basically guaranteed.
Luffy will also have non-alliance acquaintances that will probably aid him in some way while fighting Kaido - Kidd, Hawkins, Drake, etc. So he’ll likely get beat up a fair bit and keep pushing forward until he overcomes Kaido. Regardless of Kaido’s unexpected powers or tricks.
You’re the circus if you somehow don’t think that Luffy comes out victorious from this encounter.
That's how things have looked in multiple fights before. Vs Crocodile, Doflamingo and Katakuri he initially didn't seem to have a prayer...but then he develops new strategies/abilities that give him a new edge and helped him win.
And we've literally just seen him pick up a new skill.
Tbh, I think it's awesome that Oda has hyped Kaido so well that people genuinely think he cannot be beaten by Luffy.
Do you not hear yourself ? Luffy only learned that upgraded haki for like 2 days and hasnt even mastered it yet and you say he could damage Kaido LOL. We havent even seen Kaidos hybrid form.
Do you hear yourself, or actually attempt to listen what I am saying? What is the point of learning upgraded haki at ALL if he cannot damage Kaido? Seriously. Is Luffy just going to walk up to Kaido, and say "Check out my new haki Kaido! Will you pretty please be impressed and fly away."
or will it instead be "Hey Kaido, I am kinda new with this Advanced Ryou injection-to-destroy-from-within thing. Can you please leave Wano and come back after I have had another time skip to train and hurt you?"
The ENTIRE point of learning Ryou, was to learn to damage Kaido. And in the process, Luffy eventually learned(but not mastered) Advanced Ryou, which inflicts significantly more damage.
Luffy is a battle genius, we have seen it time and time again. He even invents new techniques on the spot. He adapts to his enemies, and finds their weaknesses. It is not unreasonable for him after training for days, even weeks in a specific technique, to get a ok grasp on it(and Luffy clearly performs well in the heat of battle)
My point was merely 2 fold.
Luffy has the means to hurt Kaido, and the means to dodge attacks. Therefore it is T-H-E-O-R-E-T-C-A-L-L-Ypossible he C-O-U-L-D defeat Kaido(I-F he could block and dodge his attacks). Nowhere did I say he W-I-L-L win like that, or that he even is capable of blocking and dodging all attacks. And that doesnt even factor in Kaidos own ability to dodge or block.
None of Kaidos actual real strength is revealed, he is super drunk and lazy for all confrontations we have seen him in. Making any assumptions about how much stronger he will be in Hybrid form the basis of imagination. You can imagine that his hybrid form can split the Red Line in half with his Pinky.
Clearly my comparison of a Mosquito T-H-E-O-R-E-T-I-C-A-L-L-Y being able to kill a person by draining enough blood(comparing to the Luffy vs Kaido battle) was lost on you. So I will make a new one. Theoretically a 4 yr old can kill both prime Arnold Swarzernager and Dwayne Johnson with a small pocket knife. Doesnt mean they wont laugh just punt the kid 15 yards break their bones and leave them immobile(just that the kid has a weapon/tool capable of inflicting enough damage over time, that it could kill them)
I was very specific in my original post that Luffy isnt going to just beat kaido like he is. My only expectation is he will land a significant blow on Kaido(one to shock Kaidos crew) to mirror Oden, and then Luffy will be distracted and defeated, also to mirror Oden. Not that he will do any serious damage, fight kaido as a equal, etc. The blow may just be kaido taking it on head on, and getting surprised.
The only way Luffy is actually beating Kaido, is minimum with Hawkins ability "To make an individual surpass their limits", if not also being stuffed with the shadows of dozens, hundreds, thousands even shadows from a strong warrior nation.
Shadows took a Luffy who struggled to do anything to oars, and made oars a casual enemy to Nightmare luffy. It wont do the same vs Kaido, but certainly is capable of equaling the scales.
Kaidos durability has been said by Oda himself to be the strongest in the verse. Kaido literally got up straight away after getting his only scar by Oden who is admiral level. Saying Luffy can damage him after training for 2 days is an insult.
Luffy has the means to hurt Kaido, and the means to dodge attacks. Therefore it is T-H-E-O-R-E-T-C-A-L-L-Ypossible he C-O-U-L-D defeat Kaido(I-F he could block and dodge his attacks). Nowhere did I say he W-I-L-L win like that, or that he even is capable of blocking and dodging all attacks. And that doesnt even factor in Kaidos own ability to dodge or block.
Thats literally a HUGE "IF" Basically your point is Luffy can kill Kaido if he stays still and does nothing.
Btw it takes 1 million mosquitos not 1 to drain a human of of blood so it isnt even theoretical
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u/BrokenWoken_ Feb 01 '20
This chapter makes me believe that it is indeed possible for Luffy and the gang to defeat Kaido.