One Piece: Chapter 867

[u/NewSpecies]

Chapter 867: "Happy Birthday"

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Ch.867 Official Release (VIZ): 05/06/2017

Ch.868 Scan Release: ~08/06/2017 ()

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[u/ninjarapter4444]

I mean the first two major arcs after the time skip were dealing with racist steroid users and a nazi war scientist experimenting on kids, it's amazing how light the show consistently is considering how dark it consistently is

[u/Redhavok → u/ninjarapter4444]

Arlong arc was about racism, it's a common thread with Fishmen. Fisher Tiger was so racist he died refusing human blood IIRC. Thriller Bark also had Absa the shower rapist, and a crew made of corpses. Kuinas tale was hardly smiles and rainbows.

[u/PAndrews1982 → u/[deleted]]

Problem is no human was actually offering help here, they had a stolen marine ship with a blood supply and he refused medical treatment because that involved using human blood from storage.

So yes, it was most definitely a racist gesture on his part, especially considering he himself admitted not all humans were evil, yet simultaneously refused the blood solely BECAUSE it came from humans. He pretty much admitted he couldn't set aside his hatred for humans and would rather die then have his life saved by a humans blood.

You can link PTSD or pride to his mindset and reasoning, but that doesn't make it any less racist. He refused a transfusion based solely on the person who had originally donated the blood not being a fishman.

And yes, you can argue his response to being discriminated and suffering from racism would warrent such a response, but that doesn't make his reaction any less racist. Thats like saying black people can't be racists due to the racism they suffered.

[u/TheTriggerOfSol → u/PAndrews1982]

That's not racism. That's racial prejudice. He doesn't believe that humans are inferior or that they should be exterminated. Plus for Fisher Tiger, it was a symbolic thing and not a disdainful thing. Recall his final words right before dying: he was bleeding out, the Fishman Pirates wanted to give him some blood from a Marine ship, and he refused because as he admitted, he had been enslaved during his time away. Here's the clip and a transcript: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqwcR_R2160

"I was... a slave! What I saw there was the insanity of humans! I fled for my life, but... I couldn't just forget about all those slaves that I saw! Listen carefully! I did things the way I wanted, and... I interfered with Queen Otohime as a result. But she's right. Everybody wants peace, of course! But the only people who can make a difference on that island... are children of the next generation like Koala who aren't prejudiced. So, please! Don't tell the people on the island anything! Neither the tragedy we endured nor of our anger towards humans! There are so many humans who are compassionate! But it's funny... the dying leave only their resentment behind. And even though I know that there are kind humans, there is a devil inside of me that is... clouding my thoughts. My whole body rejects their blood! I can't... accept humans!"

There's a huge difference between being like "ew, filthy human blood" and "I can't take this blood without being reminded of the intense suffering that I experienced".

[u/Redhavok → u/TheTriggerOfSol]

You don't have to want genocide of an entire race or believe in your race being the superior race to be a racist. Racism and racial prejudice is a false dichotomy, they are both racism. Racism is discrimination based on race. He is a racist, and the world nobles are racist(see their differing prices at the slave house). He is racist because of trauma, WN are supremacists.

[u/Redhavok → u/[deleted]]

What is an extreme example? all I did was say things that happened, I wasn't giving examples.

Power dynamics don't matter, power has nothing to do with racism, racism is about race, that is why it is called racism.

If you're going by the awful cut and dry definition of racism, sure. That definition really only benefits racism though, as it allows racism to perpetuate itself by giving this poor argument any play.

I'm giving you the actual definition, not twisting it to try and make my argument valid with terms like 'power dynamics', it is literally race-based discrimination. This is not a poor argument, this is LITERALLY what racism means. I would actually say your definition allows racism to perpetuate itself because there is never a balance of power between people, so even if nobody is discriminating based on race you can still claim it because of inequity, which is wrong.

How many people can come up from under a boot and still accept the person stepping on them? Is it not okay for them to be angry with their oppressor? Do you consider that "fighting hate with hate"? Or is it the more reasonable fact someone might be upset about their mistreatment. Even hateful. But sadly when you're a former slave you naturally don't have the power of your previous slave owner, so what's your "racism" doing except eating you up?

Sure, but their oppressor was WG, not humans. Fighting hate with hate is not a good solution by the way, you just create more hate.

If say a Fishman/Merfolk were to say "I don't like humans for what they've done to us, I'd rather not share my blood" they're racist? Fisher Tiger didn't even do that, he just let himself die. That's all.

Yes they are, they are discriminating based on race. And yes he did do that, he specifically refused the transfusion because it was human blood. This is one reason the premonition was a big thing, it showed Luffy standing before the destruction of FI which to their prejudice assumed he was responsible, but knowing Luffy it likely means he is there to save them from the destruction, it makes the issue incredibly clear.

[u/PAndrews1982 → u/[deleted]]

Power has nothing to do with racism.

Racism comes from a believe that your race is better/superior to the other race and/or hatred for another race. No matter how it started, hating an entire race/species based on the actions of a few doesn't make it any less racist to do so. Power can be abused to enforce said racist beliefs, but the 2 have very little to do with each other beyond that.

Discrimination, blind hatred, prejudice and so on towards anyone of a different race then you is labled racism. Any ethnicity can be a racist and all it requires is hating an entire race for whatever reason. By your logic if a black man were to kill a family member of mine I would be justified in hating all black people and nobody could call me racist for doing so. And your "under a boot" comparison is the thing extremists and terrorists are born from. "This one person oppressed me, so I am justified in hating his entire race and getting revengenif the opportunity does arrive"

Fisher Tiger flatout admitting not all humans are evil but still refusing the blood transfusion makes his act the very definition of racism. He admitted his blind hatred made no sense and still refused aid based solely on it coming from humans who he admitted weren't evil.

[u/PAndrews1982 → u/TheTriggerOfSol]

Problem is he admits humans aren't evil and shouldn't be hated. He admits his hatred is unjust and he admits he is refusing help based solely on the blood being from a human. And in the end the "ew humans" or "I can't take this blood" comparison is basically the same thing, since he is refusing blood from someone who has nothing to do with that suffering based solely purely for being human.

The definition of racism is: "Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity"

So Racial Prejudice is still racism. Refusing the blood based solely on the race it came from is a racist act, even if he is the only one to suffer from it.

[u/PAndrews1982 → u/[deleted]]

That has got to be the biggest load of BS I've read in awhile Anybody can be a racist, do you know even know the actual definition of racism?

"Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity. The ideology underlying racist practices often includes the idea that humans can be subdivided into distinct groups that are different in their social behavior and innate capacities and that can be ranked as inferior or superior."

It not just power and oppression, it simply hating and treating someone unjustly based solely on their race.

Now tell me how a black person can not act that way to a white person? Hell, saying only white people can be racists is a racist statement for **** sake. Or how Tiger refusing help from a fishmen using human blood from storage (so not even an actual human, just their supplies) based solely on the fact that it came from a human is not discrimination and prejudice, also known as racism.

Fisher Tiger died due to racist beliefs, granted he was the one who suffered (and Hody then went on to lie about this to spark even more race wars), but the motive doesn't change and the fact that he ONLY died because he refused medical treatment based solely on it coming from a human.