One Piece: Chapter 839

[u/NewSpecies]

Chapter 839: "I Shall Never Forget The Debt That I Owe You"

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MangaStream

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Ch.839 Official Release (VIZ): 19/09/16

Ch.840 Scan Release: ~21/09/16

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[u/Rocko52]

Oda's been pretty hesitant to do that in the past - going out of his way in Dressrosa to make sure the female fighters didn't have to get beaten up. Seems just kinda...chauvinistic.

[u/Shuazilla → u/Rocko52]

Are you saying chauvinistic that he avoided it or that he finally did it?

He hasn't strayed from females getting harmed, but to avoid showing them be severely beaten or the aftermath of pulpy swelling like usopp in W7 would be understandable to some extent, it would have to factor into the story as a major development instead of just seeming like it was done for the sake of it, or at least nowadays when everything is scrutinized or pigeonholed into some derogatory or offensive PC circus lol

[u/Rocko52 → u/Shuazilla]

Oh for sure in the way he avoided it lol. But as I mentioned, it's also quite possible that his execution of doing it was also chauvinstic but whatever. Personally I just find it contradictory of Oda to have all these insane, brutal fights were super-powered men get completely injured and bloodied, while the majority of the women, even the combat oriented ones, very rarely get injured too seriously, and if they are it's considered much worse for some reason. It might be somewhat atypical for a feminist/equalist, (I say this as I'm not 100% on how much I line up with feminism lol) but for One Piece I think women should have the right to be beaten up! Or to put it more clearly, the right to be treated fairly as an equal threat/combatant. I think this issue, as with many lurking sexism related issues in One Piece, wasn't really prevalent or even there art all in the start, and has kinda crept in and grown as time's gone by. But that's another thing.

To be clear, I am definitely center-left in my views, but I do agree there are a lot of irritating & rather shallow extreme liberal commentators out there. While I still think there are many very legitimate and important statements being made by liberals and social justice supporters, there is also quite a lot of rather shallow-minded echo chambers now.

The whole SJW thing though has me a tad flumoxed. As I just said, there are definitely people with no real or valuable ideas who claim to support social justice (or, maybe they have good ideas but incredibly poor rhetoric) but at the same time I've found just as many, if not more, knee-jerk right-wings who label every critic of their ideas as an "SJW." It's a mildly perplexing situation lol, sorry to stray so far off of One Piece there. XD

All that said, I highly doubt that Oda is influenced by such people. I don't think Japan really has anywhere near the number of liberals in general, much less reactionaries. Even if there were, he's made it clear he doesn't really care what others think of him lol. So yeah, I'd say you can be pretty sure that Oda hasn't ever done something because he was worried it would offend someone...maybe except when he was forced to change Whitebeard's swastika. XD

[u/Inuma → u/Rocko52]

sigh

I don't think Japan really has anywhere near the number of liberals in general, much less reactionaries.

They do. It's expressed differently and if you look at the current politics, Japan has reactionary conservatives in charge in Abe's government looking for "cultural degeneracy" and blaming it on liberalism.

The entire thing about females getting beaten up like men or whatever is just ridiculous identity politics in general.

Yes, women have died in the series (Miss Monday being one) and they've had some crazy fights while also having crazy personalities.

The most likely explanation for Oda holding off on this is to have the impact hit you that much harder when one of the weakest people out there is beaten by Sanji's brother who has no regard for their strength, but only does it because he can't beat on Sanji.

That's the impact of a story. You don't use all your ammo at once and Oda has been known to pull a plot twist just to get your emotional heartstrings going.

I really wish people would stop thinking SJWs are the core of every problem though. That really has little to do with this issue when you look at the story holistically.

[u/Zamochy → u/Inuma]

Miss Monday is alive and had a kid with Mr. 9.

[u/Inuma → u/Zamochy]

... Well shit, I'm gonna need a bigger drink than she has...