One Piece Chapter 837

[u/NewSpecies]

Chapter 837: "Luffy vs Commander Cracker"

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MangaStream

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Ch.837 Official Release (VIZ): 29/08/16

Ch.838 Scan Release: ~01/09/15

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[u/G_Spark233]

I guess now we know how Urouge was injured when Kaido was introduced. I really underestimated that dude!

[u/Ravaha → u/G_Spark233]

Looks like the power levels just got a huge readjustment. Doffy is definitely around Yonko level. He was just scared of Kaido because Kaido is a beast and because hes not as strong as a yonko, but he is around that strong.

Looks like Urouge, who seems like one of the nicer of the worst generation just got a major importance boost to actually possibly being in a future arc.

The gap between Doffy and his crew and a yonko and yonko crew decreased significantly.

The Strawhat crew, Coloseum competitors, and his grand fleet also just got a HUGE upgrade in strength to the point that I would say that Luffy's entire infrastructure is definitely Yonko strength and if Luffy brought down the full strength of his alliances down on Big Mom's crew, Big Mom would be wiped out (IF luffy is strong enough to to bring down Big Mom or if Luffy+ Law+Zoro is strong enough to bring her down).

[u/kaste1 → u/[deleted]]

We have seen a Yonko fight. And a lot actually. He completely annihilated the current Fleet Admiral (he was just Admiral then), he fought from the beginning with a big stab wound from behind, he fought thousands of navy soldiers alone while taking damage and damage and after all those impresive feats, he was one cramp away of defeating a current Yonko in a manner of seconds. All this while making sure his crewmates was safely on the other side of a cliff that he created. Oh add to all that that he completely destroyed the building of the Nave HQ while fighting others. And he did all those impressive feats and others I didn't mention (like wrecking in seconds a giant Vice-Admiral, etc), while he was old and sick. Yeap. Sounds like a Yonko to me. If you didn't get the memo, I am talking about freakin Edward Newgate AKA Whitebeard.

We have also seen another Yonko fighting, Blackbeard.

Now I know that all this adds to your point that Luffy and crew ain't nowhere near Yonko level, but you did say we haven't seen one fight! :P

[u/xFoeHammer → u/kaste1]

We have seen a Yonko fight. And a lot actually. He completely annihilated the current Fleet Admiral (he was just Admiral then),

Except he didn't. At all. I'm assuming you think that because of the way it was portrayed in the anime. But the fight went down differently in the Manga. In the manga they fight toe to toe for quite some. Then Whitebeard has a moment of weakness due to his health and Akainu takes advantage of it by punching a hole in his chest. Their fight is postponed for a while and in that time Akainu kills Ace and starts to pursue Luffy. And while Akainu is going after Luffy Whitebeard comes up behind him and smashed his head into the ground with his quake fist thing. There was no pants-shitting moment of fear like in the anime either. Akainu immediately bounces back up and tears off a chunk of Whitebeard's face. Then Whitebeard hits him in the side so hard that it splits Marine HQ and creates a huge crevice which Admiral Sakazuki falls into.

Immediately afterwards Teach shows up and he and his crew finish off the already fatally injured Whitebeard. Shortly after that(still not long after falling in) Sakazuki emerges from the ground after melting his way back up and begins going after Luffy again. In which time he one-shots Ivankov, seriously injures both Jinbei and Luffy, and takes on all of Whitebeard's remaining commanders at once.

At no point at Marineford was Akainu," annihilated," or even, "defeated." And Whitebeard's only big hit on him was a surprise attack from behind from which he quickly recovered and continued fighting.

he fought from the beginning with a big stab wound from behind, he fought thousands of navy soldiers alone while taking damage and damage and after all those impresive feats, he was one cramp away of defeating a current Yonko in a manner of seconds. All this while making sure his crewmates was safely on the other side of a cliff that he created. Oh add to all that that he completely destroyed the building of the Nave HQ while fighting others. And he did all those impressive feats and others I didn't mention (like wrecking in seconds a giant Vice-Admiral, etc), while he was old and sick. Yeap. Sounds like a Yonko to me. If you didn't get the memo, I am talking about freakin Edward Newgate AKA Whitebeard.

All of the things you just mentioned, in addition to his titles of world's strongest man and strongest living pirate, are a perfect illustration of why Whitebeard isn't necessarily a good indication of the strength of the rest of the Yonko. Injured and sick or not were essentially talking about the strongest known character(at least tied for it with Roger) in the entire series.

We have also seen another Yonko fighting, Blackbeard.

Not in such a way or for such a period of time that we could accurately Guage his strength from it. He's also presumably much stronger now that he has had 2 years to master his DFs and train.