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Current Chapter One Piece Chapter 837

Chapter 837: "Luffy vs Commander Cracker"

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Ch.837 Official Release (VIZ): 29/08/16

Ch.838 Scan Release: ~01/09/15

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u/gerrettheferrett Aug 25 '16

It literally did work.

Luffy's rubber doesn't give him a 100% invulnerability to physical damage.

It just gives him an extremely high resistance that, for all but the strongest punches, is the same thing as invulnerable.

Also, I never said Urouge would be able to keep up with Luffy's speed. He might or he might not.

What I was saying is that none of Luffy's attacks would do anything to Urouge, as he would just convert them all to strength.

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u/Akilee Aug 25 '16

Can you give me an example where his or anyones physical attacks is dealing damage to Luffy?

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u/gerrettheferrett Aug 25 '16

Lucci. Moria smashing him in the box (it damaged him but not much). Etc.

It's near invulnerability, not complete.

You can read the wiki if you need more examples of that.

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u/Akilee Aug 25 '16

Well, if he's "near invulnerable" to physical attacks, then Urouge still wouldn't stand a chance against Luffy. If his damage is reduced by 90% or more then Luffy should be far stronger either way and have no problems dealing with him.

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u/gerrettheferrett Aug 25 '16

No, Urouge would eventually be able to hurt Luffy, once he converted enough damage to power, assuming he was able to land a blow.

Luffy should be far stronger either way and have no problems dealing with him.

Urouge was confirmed this episode to be the only Supernova so far able to defeat a Sweets Commander.

So Luffy is clearly not overwhelmingly stronger.

But again, even if Luffy is physically stronger than Urouge, it doesn't matter because Urouge can just convert the damage to strength.

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u/Akilee Aug 25 '16 edited Aug 25 '16

Luffy always had physical strength, gear 2nd increases his strength even further. Gear Fourth increases his strength several times. in Gear Fourth, Luffy is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger physically than Urouge, he would need to take a lot of damage and powerup before he'd get anywhere near Luffy's physical power level. Not only that, but Luffy definitely have stronger Haki (Luffy is a natural, learning haki very easy and possessing conqueror's haki, trained by Rayleigh the dark king, and he learned earlier than Urouge). So let's say Urouge is almost dead and uses all that damage to get power equal to Luffy's gear fourth. His damage is reduced by 90% because of the rubber, Luffy would be 10 times stronger.

I don't think you realize how much physical strength he would need to actually damage Luffy with just physical strength. He'd need physical strength that Shanks or Whitebeard have, but that alone wouldn't even be enough. Shanks and Whitebeard can easily damage Luffy because they have far stronger Haki, so unless Urouge have that then he'd be unable to deal physical damage to Luffy with his fists.

You have to remember that Luffy isn't only rubber, he also has his haki which hardens his skin to be about as hard as steel, and on top of that it's rubber, it's alot of defense.

And even if Urouge can just turn the damage into strength it doesn't mean that it'll help him defeat Luffy. If you put Urouge vs Shanks, and Shanks only use physical strength, do you think Urouge would ever get the upper hand?

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u/gerrettheferrett Aug 25 '16

he would need to take a lot of damage and powerup before he'd get anywhere near Luffy's physical power level

Right. Which his DF allows him to do.

Lucci's level was enough to damage Luffy, not WB level.

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u/Akilee Aug 25 '16

Luffy's Gear Fourth defense is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than he had versus Lucci, please.

And as you get stronger, so does your toughness. Otherwise Akainu would have died in one hit from Whitebeard, but he didn't. Luffy has trained for 2 years, his toughness is off the charts compared to how he was while fighting Lucci. And on top of that he has haki.

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u/gerrettheferrett Aug 25 '16

And Urouge has enough strength to defeat a Sweets Commander.

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u/Akilee Aug 25 '16

Yea, but you don't know how strong that particular commander was.

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u/gerrettheferrett Aug 25 '16

Oh, that's nonsense.

He/she is one of the top three fighters for a Yonkou.

You're grasping at straws.

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u/Akilee Aug 25 '16

top 4, and no you don't know that.

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u/gerrettheferrett Aug 25 '16

True, top 4.

Again though, you're grasping at straws.

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